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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
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  • stargirl69
    stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    There is a dire need for families to foster children who cannot remain with their birth parents.Yet in Scotland a cigarette smoker will not be considered a suitable to become a foster parent.
    So children can remain with abusive,neglectful,addicted,mentally ill birth parents but cannot be looked after by a smoker.
    The system is fucked
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
    Government has been outlawing drugs for years, this is where the line is drawn?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?
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  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?

    you answered your own question, I do believe
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?
    i am my body's own medical expert. i do have years worth of knowing what helps me with my brain, my actions, and my ADD/ADHD.

    marijuana does the opposite to me...generally.
    it works better than any ritalin or legal speed given by drs.
    only way i could ever do algebra is when i was high.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    keeponrockin wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
    Government has been outlawing drugs for years, this is where the line is drawn?


    Noooo. Smokers are a HUGE healthcare cost. Bad for the collective good: the good of the state.

    So no more smoking. GOV'T says so.

    Next, eliminate the happy meals, french fries, and cokes for kids.... they've already done that.

    No more "unhealthy" foods. GOV"T says so.

    Do you like to drink beer? Bad for you.... See where this is going?

    30 years from now, when an American is standing before the HHS patient review board, waiting to hear if they qualify for that expensive life-saving cancer treatment, they might be told no, b/c they made too many "unhealthy" choices along the way, and it is not in the best interest of the STATE.

    1984.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    This is why I do not count on the gubment for my health care or retirement for that matter.
    I ink I heard if you work at Walmart and smoke it's a couple grand extra per year in health care costs.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    30 years from now, when an American is standing before the HHS patient review board, waiting to hear if they qualify for that expensive life-saving cancer treatment, they might be told no, b/c they made too many "unhealthy" choices along the way, and it is not in the best interest of the STATE.

    1984.
    I live in a country that has had Universal health care for almost years. None of this has happened. Ever. Fuck, if you OD on heroin, you're still treated.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • marcos
    marcos Posts: 2,112
    Will alcohol be next. I would think that would interfere with work more than anything else? But of course alcohol is much more socially acceptable. I hate when society pretends it doesn't do as much or more damage than any cigarette or joint.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    marcos wrote:
    Will alcohol be next. I would think that would interfere with work more than anything else? But of course alcohol is much more socially acceptable. I hate when society pretends it doesn't do as much or more damage than any cigarette or joint.

    2 things

    1) alcohol metabolizes too quickly. Youd have to be a complete moron to fail a known alcohol test.
    2) smokers are less productive (in general, not specific). Look out your window any day. Who actually takes that many breaks for that long a time?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    All these reasons and excuses why it is ok to go after smokers, yet no one stated the obvious. STOP MAKING THE PRODUCTS.

    The government has proven that the products are dangerous to our health.

    The medical profession has proven that the products are dangerous to our health.

    Society has concurred that the products are a danger to our health directly and second handed.

    If a button falls off a toy and a child chokes to death, that toy is pulled from every store in the country. We have people dying everyday from tobacco related products and nothing is being done except blaming the user. Even with cocaine, heroin, crack, meth, and yes marijuana, the DEA and other law enforcement a) will destroy the product, b) will attempt to fine and prosecution more than just the user.

    So what's problem!!! Why not go after the makers and ban the sale and use of these products in the US? If you're not going to go after the maker of these tobacco products because you hold the user responsible for their actions - in the case of the button,

    the parent is fully responsible for the death of their child because the parent who brought the toy, saw the warning about small choking parts and still gave the toy to the child.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,707
    Ironic how quickly this turned into a "government health care" controlled system argument when it was big business health care making the announcement. Maybe they know something the government doesn't know? Like how to increase profits by controlling health care costs for the home office and related affiliates, i.e. shareholders? Typically, "government" is 15 to 30 years behind "business" or "society" in advocating for societal change. But I love how "business" has the republicans and their ilk blaming "government."

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    And maybe those greedy physician's know a thing or two about "addiction" and the effect it has on profits and efficiency. I haven't heard any "government" policy/health plan/advocacy mention banning nicotine in the workplace. Although I have heard of public housing going smoke free. But then again the airlines, movie theaters, bars and restaurants, in some states, and property owners have banned smoking for years now. But Walmart will ask you to pay more for your health plan. So who is the socialist/Marxist/communist now?

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  • marcos
    marcos Posts: 2,112
    edited December 2011
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    marcos wrote:
    Will alcohol be next. I would think that would interfere with work more than anything else? But of course alcohol is much more socially acceptable. I hate when society pretends it doesn't do as much or more damage than any cigarette or joint.



    1) alcohol metabolizes too quickly. Youd have to be a complete moron to fail a known alcohol test.
    2) smokers are less productive (in general, not specific). Look out your window any day. Who actually takes that many breaks for that long a time?

    Ever hear of a three martini lunch :D

    Plus if people are entitled to breaks, who cares what they do. Now if they're taking breaks without permission, that's a completely different story. If a person is entitled to a break simply because they smoke, then the other workers that don't take as many breaks for other reasons is foolish.

    Next up, bathroom breaks should be looked into as well :)
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  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    I'm over working with smokers
    In my workplace I'm entitled to 2 breaks in my 8 hours
    20 morning tea or at 9.30 and 1/2 hour Lunch at 12.30( unpaid make up by working 1/2 hour longer)

    But smokers. Go off whenever they like, they go in groups and stand and chat. Whilst I'm still working. Whew work as a team and have a large load of work to do every day. With them gone Myself and others have to carry that load. I call bludgers on these people
    Recently we had a manager who said that smokers could have a break but you cannot break for a coffee in the same way. So we borrowed a few cigarettes walked off the job like the others and made a coffee. Handing the unused ciggy to the next non smoker Of course we got into trouble for being smartarses

    I applaud that employers are saying no more. Your paid to work not stand around poisoning your lungs
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  • green mountain man
    green mountain man Posts: 735
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    I'm over working with smokers
    In my workplace I'm entitled to 2 breaks in my 8 hours
    20 morning tea or at 9.30 and 1/2 hour Lunch at 12.30( unpaid make up by working 1/2 hour longer)

    But smokers. Go off whenever they like, they go in groups and stand and chat. Whilst I'm still working. Whew work as a team and have a large load of work to do every day. With them gone Myself and others have to carry that load. I call bludgers on these people
    Recently we had a manager who said that smokers could have a break but you cannot break for a coffee in the same way. So we borrowed a few cigarettes walked off the job like the others and made a coffee. Handing the unused ciggy to the next non smoker Of course we got into trouble for being smartarses

    I applaud that employers are saying no more. Your paid to work not stand around poisoning your lungs
    I agree 100%. Over time smokers have decreased endurance. I never hire them to work on my farm.
  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
    whoa, slow down here people. There is a VERY big difference between types of smoking. Cigarette smokers taking breaks whenever they choose has always annoyed me but a company telling people they won't hire them if they are using a legal product on their own time, while not on the clock; well that is just plain wrong.

    I smoke cigars. I don't do it at work, before work, or during any breaks. I smoke in my free time. Enjoying fine tobacco has been one of the greatest pleasures of my life. I can say with confidence that this is true of millions before me as well throughout it's discovery and use over the ages in the Americas. Tobacco isn't some evil product. In fact, some argue that quality tobacco with no additives smoked in moderation may actually have health benefits through relaxation, meditation and socialization. I've made countless friends sharing a smoke and my life is better for it. However because of people like most of you in this thread, I have to pay a 75% state tax plus additional city tax every time I want to buy a cigar in New York. That's some criminal shit. Sure, criticize the stuff with fiberglass and chemical additives designed to get you hooked (ie: cigarettes) all you want but don't be so hasty to call for the government to ban something people choose to do. After all, your choices could be next.
  • marcos
    marcos Posts: 2,112
    october22 wrote:
    whoa, slow down here people. There is a VERY big difference between types of smoking. Cigarette smokers taking breaks whenever they choose has always annoyed me but a company telling people they won't hire them if they are using a legal product on their own time, while not on the clock; well that is just plain wrong.

    I smoke cigars. I don't do it at work, before work, or during any breaks. I smoke in my free time. Enjoying fine tobacco has been one of the greatest pleasures of my life. I can say with confidence that this is true of millions before me as well throughout it's discovery and use over the ages in the Americas. Tobacco isn't some evil product. In fact, some argue that quality tobacco with no additives smoked in moderation may actually have health benefits through relaxation, meditation and socialization. I've made countless friends sharing a smoke and my life is better for it. However because of people like most of you in this thread, I have to pay a 75% state tax plus additional city tax every time I want to buy a cigar in New York. That's some criminal shit. Sure, criticize the stuff with fiberglass and chemical additives designed to get you hooked (ie: cigarettes) all you want but don't be so hasty to call for the government to ban something people choose to do. After all, your choices could be next.

    I'm not a smoker but the tax thing bothers me as well in addition to the blanket judgement of all smokers as you mention. The guise of health concern to justify exhorbitant taxes is so false.
  • green mountain man
    green mountain man Posts: 735
    There are no health benefits from smoking. The tobacco with no additives does not mean much. Of the 4000 chemicals that enter your body with every puff , 95 % of the chemicals are created upon combustion of the tobacco.
    During smoking, the blood vessels constrict, the heart rate increases, and the blood pressure rises.
    That is not relaxation. It is just keeping the withdrawal symptoms at bay.
    Smoking kills more people than wars,natural disasters, murders, fires, AIDS, and car accidents combined.
    Of course smoking is something that should be banished in society. The workplace is a good place to start .
  • october22
    october22 Posts: 2,533
    green mountain man wrote:
    There are no health benefits from smoking. The tobacco with no additives does not mean much. Of the 4000 chemicals that enter your body with every puff , 95 % of the chemicals are created upon combustion of the tobacco.
    During smoking, the blood vessels constrict, the heart rate increases, and the blood pressure rises.
    That is not relaxation. It is just keeping the withdrawal symptoms at bay.
    Smoking kills more people than wars,natural disasters, murders, fires, AIDS, and car accidents combined.
    Of course smoking is something that should be banished in society. The workplace is a good place to start .

    Nope.

    "Banished from society"? This attitude is frightening. Why don't you ban abortion while your at it? Let's just make everyone's choices for them from now on. Sugar can be unhealthy. Salt can be too. Just when we should be going in the other direction with the drug war, we have people calling for tobacco to be added to the list. People should be allowed to do with their own body what they please.

    Also, I would never claim that inhaling tobacco smoke (which I don't do directly) is "healthy". Tobacco is in no way a health product. I am simply stating that enjoying tobacco does relax me (placebo or not) and that it has increased the overall enjoyment of my life. To repeat, I am not talking about cigarettes. I have major issues with cigarettes and cigarette manufacturers.

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