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rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
While applying for employment today, I came across this,

"Starting with job offers dated February 1, 2012 and after, Geisinger Health System will no longer hire applicants who use tobacco products, including cigarettes, cigars and chewing or smokeless tobacco. Applicants will be screened for nicotine as part of the pre-employment physical process. Nicotine will be part of the urine drug screen. Applicants who test positive for nicotine will not be offered employment. Applicants who test positive may re-apply for jobs with Geisinger in six months."
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  • Red Mosquito75Red Mosquito75 Moline IL Posts: 1,037
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.

    I think its discrimination in that nicotine doesn't directly affect productivity or safety at work....but I suppose it becomes relevant when considering employee health insurance costs.
  • green mountain mangreen mountain man Posts: 735
    Just another of the hundreds of reasons to quit.
  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 2,042
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.
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  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    SK359828 wrote:
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.

    as the caffeined coffee grabs its sleigh....
  • VitalogensiaVitalogensia Posts: 2,042
    Rollings wrote:
    SK359828 wrote:
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.

    as the caffeined coffee grabs its sleigh....

    Haha! Totally, trading one substance for another. But then you hear stories about how coffee is good for you in small doses. Side note: being a smoker helps with anesthesia.
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  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    So if it's just a urine test that you need to pass there will be ways around that ;-)

    yeah, I wonder if it is fat soluble or water soluble? If it the former (like pot) it's going to be tough. You'd have to quite for a month, and if you quit that long you might as well quit for good. If it's water soluble it should be outta your system in ~ 2 days.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
    You can't drink at work, but you can at home. I can see them outlawing smoking during working hours but how can they discriminate on what someone does legally in their own home?

    Also, what if you use an e-cigarette? It's not a tobacco product but it contains nicotine.

    I hope they get sued.
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  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    I meant you can take something that will mask it so it won't show in your system.
    he still stands wrote:
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    So if it's just a urine test that you need to pass there will be ways around that ;-)

    yeah, I wonder if it is fat soluble or water soluble? If it the former (like pot) it's going to be tough. You'd have to quite for a month, and if you quit that long you might as well quit for good. If it's water soluble it should be outta your system in ~ 2 days.

    not really. they test for the masking agents as well, and if you test positive for a masking agent that's the same as failing the drug test. only the cheapest of the cheap drug tests do not test for the masking agents any longer.

    best way to beat it is give it as much time as possible to get out of your system, gallons and gallons of water the day before and the day of the test, and a couple of B vitamins a few hours before the test.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Gotcha it's been awhile since I was tested i think with the amt of pot i smoke they would get a contact high handling the sample.

    haha... NICE. although if you have a fast metabolism it could still only take a week or even less to be outta your system.

    About 12 years ago I was in a bit of trouble the law (I was 18) and got randomly tested. Six days after smoking I was clean. It took about two weeks to get the results and that was the shittiest two weeks of my life!!!
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
    You can't drink at work, but you can at home. I can see them outlawing smoking during working hours but how can they discriminate on what someone does legally in their own home?

    Also, what if you use an e-cigarette? It's not a tobacco product but it contains nicotine.

    I hope they get sued.
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i am pleased that finally nicotine is being slapped around as much as thc has been.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
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  • MayDay MaloneMayDay Malone Posts: 641
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    Rollings wrote:
    While applying for employment today, I came across this,

    "Starting with job offers dated February 1, 2012 and after, Geisinger Health System will no longer hire applicants who use tobacco products, including cigarettes, cigars and chewing or smokeless tobacco. Applicants will be screened for nicotine as part of the pre-employment physical process. Nicotine will be part of the urine drug screen. Applicants who test positive for nicotine will not be offered employment. Applicants who test positive may re-apply for jobs with Geisinger in six months."

    This prohibition is brand new too. Yesterday at the same job website, this notice was not there.

    Consolation prize is that current employees can continue to smoke em if they got em (or chew em, or patch em, whatever)
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
    fuck we aint. if thc gets hammered in the urine cups in some bullshit lab someplace then by golly nicotine testing is happening... good.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    chadwick wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
    fuck we aint. if thc gets hammered in the urine cups in some bullshit lab someplace then by golly nicotine testing is happening... good.
    What about my e-cigarette example? The company's policy prohibits tobacco use, but they use nicotine testing to check for it. What if someone stopped smoking four months ago and uses a nicotine patch?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • stargirl69stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    There is a dire need for families to foster children who cannot remain with their birth parents.Yet in Scotland a cigarette smoker will not be considered a suitable to become a foster parent.
    So children can remain with abusive,neglectful,addicted,mentally ill birth parents but cannot be looked after by a smoker.
    The system is fucked
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
    Government has been outlawing drugs for years, this is where the line is drawn?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • rollingsrollings unknown Posts: 7,125
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?

    you answered your own question, I do believe
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    ^^ i want a marijuana patch so i can drive a semi tractor trailer.

    maybe stick weed up my ass instead of smoking it, yes/no?

    so yes, one should wedge a cigar or cigarette up thier fat ass instead of wearing nicotine patches, yes/no?

    :?
    Is it doctor recommended?
    i am my body's own medical expert. i do have years worth of knowing what helps me with my brain, my actions, and my ADD/ADHD.

    marijuana does the opposite to me...generally.
    it works better than any ritalin or legal speed given by drs.
    only way i could ever do algebra is when i was high.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • MayDay MaloneMayDay Malone Posts: 641
    keeponrockin wrote:
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
    Government has been outlawing drugs for years, this is where the line is drawn?


    Noooo. Smokers are a HUGE healthcare cost. Bad for the collective good: the good of the state.

    So no more smoking. GOV'T says so.

    Next, eliminate the happy meals, french fries, and cokes for kids.... they've already done that.

    No more "unhealthy" foods. GOV"T says so.

    Do you like to drink beer? Bad for you.... See where this is going?

    30 years from now, when an American is standing before the HHS patient review board, waiting to hear if they qualify for that expensive life-saving cancer treatment, they might be told no, b/c they made too many "unhealthy" choices along the way, and it is not in the best interest of the STATE.

    1984.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    This is why I do not count on the gubment for my health care or retirement for that matter.
    I ink I heard if you work at Walmart and smoke it's a couple grand extra per year in health care costs.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    MayDay Malone wrote:
    30 years from now, when an American is standing before the HHS patient review board, waiting to hear if they qualify for that expensive life-saving cancer treatment, they might be told no, b/c they made too many "unhealthy" choices along the way, and it is not in the best interest of the STATE.

    1984.
    I live in a country that has had Universal health care for almost years. None of this has happened. Ever. Fuck, if you OD on heroin, you're still treated.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • marcosmarcos Posts: 2,112
    Will alcohol be next. I would think that would interfere with work more than anything else? But of course alcohol is much more socially acceptable. I hate when society pretends it doesn't do as much or more damage than any cigarette or joint.
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