You smoke? No Can Hire...

rollings
rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
While applying for employment today, I came across this,

"Starting with job offers dated February 1, 2012 and after, Geisinger Health System will no longer hire applicants who use tobacco products, including cigarettes, cigars and chewing or smokeless tobacco. Applicants will be screened for nicotine as part of the pre-employment physical process. Nicotine will be part of the urine drug screen. Applicants who test positive for nicotine will not be offered employment. Applicants who test positive may re-apply for jobs with Geisinger in six months."
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  • Red Mosquito75
    Red Mosquito75 Moline IL Posts: 1,038
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
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  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.

    I think its discrimination in that nicotine doesn't directly affect productivity or safety at work....but I suppose it becomes relevant when considering employee health insurance costs.
  • green mountain man
    green mountain man Posts: 735
    Just another of the hundreds of reasons to quit.
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,209
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    SK359828 wrote:
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.

    as the caffeined coffee grabs its sleigh....
  • Vitalogensia
    Vitalogensia Posts: 2,209
    Rollings wrote:
    SK359828 wrote:
    I'm in the midst of quitting, but am 100% pro-smoking. Probably has most to do with health costs, and that makes sense, but to out-right ban a LEGAL substance is a slippery slope.

    as the caffeined coffee grabs its sleigh....

    Haha! Totally, trading one substance for another. But then you hear stories about how coffee is good for you in small doses. Side note: being a smoker helps with anesthesia.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    So if it's just a urine test that you need to pass there will be ways around that ;-)

    yeah, I wonder if it is fat soluble or water soluble? If it the former (like pot) it's going to be tough. You'd have to quite for a month, and if you quit that long you might as well quit for good. If it's water soluble it should be outta your system in ~ 2 days.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
    You can't drink at work, but you can at home. I can see them outlawing smoking during working hours but how can they discriminate on what someone does legally in their own home?

    Also, what if you use an e-cigarette? It's not a tobacco product but it contains nicotine.

    I hope they get sued.
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  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    I meant you can take something that will mask it so it won't show in your system.
    he still stands wrote:
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    So if it's just a urine test that you need to pass there will be ways around that ;-)

    yeah, I wonder if it is fat soluble or water soluble? If it the former (like pot) it's going to be tough. You'd have to quite for a month, and if you quit that long you might as well quit for good. If it's water soluble it should be outta your system in ~ 2 days.

    not really. they test for the masking agents as well, and if you test positive for a masking agent that's the same as failing the drug test. only the cheapest of the cheap drug tests do not test for the masking agents any longer.

    best way to beat it is give it as much time as possible to get out of your system, gallons and gallons of water the day before and the day of the test, and a couple of B vitamins a few hours before the test.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Bronx Bombers
    Bronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
    edited January 2012
    :D
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Bronx Bombers wrote:
    Gotcha it's been awhile since I was tested i think with the amt of pot i smoke they would get a contact high handling the sample.

    haha... NICE. although if you have a fast metabolism it could still only take a week or even less to be outta your system.

    About 12 years ago I was in a bit of trouble the law (I was 18) and got randomly tested. Six days after smoking I was clean. It took about two weeks to get the results and that was the shittiest two weeks of my life!!!
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    Red Mosquito75 wrote:
    I smoke...And this is wrong but we all knew this was coming eventually. Is it discrimination? Nicotine is a drug. You can't drink at work. This all goes back to that ciggarettes should have been made illegal years and years ago and we wouldn't have all these addicts myself included walking around.
    You can't drink at work, but you can at home. I can see them outlawing smoking during working hours but how can they discriminate on what someone does legally in their own home?

    Also, what if you use an e-cigarette? It's not a tobacco product but it contains nicotine.

    I hope they get sued.
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i am pleased that finally nicotine is being slapped around as much as thc has been.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
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  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    State run healthcare. This is only the beginning...
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    Rollings wrote:
    While applying for employment today, I came across this,

    "Starting with job offers dated February 1, 2012 and after, Geisinger Health System will no longer hire applicants who use tobacco products, including cigarettes, cigars and chewing or smokeless tobacco. Applicants will be screened for nicotine as part of the pre-employment physical process. Nicotine will be part of the urine drug screen. Applicants who test positive for nicotine will not be offered employment. Applicants who test positive may re-apply for jobs with Geisinger in six months."

    This prohibition is brand new too. Yesterday at the same job website, this notice was not there.

    Consolation prize is that current employees can continue to smoke em if they got em (or chew em, or patch em, whatever)
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
    fuck we aint. if thc gets hammered in the urine cups in some bullshit lab someplace then by golly nicotine testing is happening... good.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    chadwick wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    um not quite. many here have beer carts at the workplace.
    Well, we aint swinging hammers then and we aint testing for nicotine.
    fuck we aint. if thc gets hammered in the urine cups in some bullshit lab someplace then by golly nicotine testing is happening... good.
    What about my e-cigarette example? The company's policy prohibits tobacco use, but they use nicotine testing to check for it. What if someone stopped smoking four months ago and uses a nicotine patch?
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