War Tech and lives saved...on both sides

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    anybody else sense a dark cloud looming over this topic...... :lol:

    Godfather.

    ;)

    listen ... you started a thread basically saying weapons are good ... what did you expect!?? :)
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    anybody else sense a dark cloud looming over this topic...... :lol:

    Godfather.

    ;)

    listen ... you started a thread basically saying weapons are good ... what did you expect!?? :)

    as long as the world has to have them I'm glad we have the best :D

    Godfather.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Godfather. wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    anybody else sense a dark cloud looming over this topic...... :lol:

    Godfather.

    ;)

    listen ... you started a thread basically saying weapons are good ... what did you expect!?? :)

    as long as the world has to have them I'm glad we have the best :D

    Godfather.

    Why?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.

    why is so many countries like norway, sweden, new zealand, etc.. can live high standard of livings and prosper without invading other countries and killing innocent people?
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.

    why is so many countries like norway, sweden, new zealand, etc.. can live high standard of livings and prosper without invading other countries and killing innocent people?

    Those countries also have high happiness rates... Power is obviously not on their priority list.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.
    ...
    I agree.
    Except... what do you think we should do... when WE are the aggressor, such as in the case of Iraq?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.

    why is so many countries like norway, sweden, new zealand, etc.. can live high standard of livings and prosper without invading other countries and killing innocent people?
    it hasen't always been like that.

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. wrote:
    it hasen't always been like that.

    Godfather.

    you are going to point to some medieval period in history to justify a foreign policy based on war!?? ... these countries have been operating and living in relative peace for a loooong time now ...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.
    ...
    I agree.
    Except... what do you think we should do... when WE are the aggressor, such as in the case of Iraq?

    my thought on it Cosmo is this, we here on the train do not know for sure what led to war but what of the aggression from SUDAM to the Kurds ? they were out numbered and gunned and wiped out just for a promotion from Sudam and sudam ordered it to boot, so America for what ever reason steps in to stop the blood shed of as someone here said "innocent civilans" so we helped them and the brutalized people of iraq...the stories are endless of what sudam had done to his own people....so we helped right ? don't ask me why ha ha ha.

    Godfather
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    it hasen't always been like that.

    Godfather.

    you are going to point to some medieval period in history to justify a foreign policy based on war!?? ... these countries have been operating and living in relative peace for a loooong time now ...

    they live in the frozen parts of the world with no real natural resorces to speak of right ? and they're sourounded by more dominet countries that could take them out...kinda like mexico so whats to fight for. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    my thought on it Cosmo is this, we here on the train do not know for sure what led to war but what of the aggression from SUDAM to the Kurds ? they were out numbered and gunned and wiped out just for a promotion from Sudam and sudam ordered it to boot, so America for what ever reason steps in to stop the blood shed of as someone here said "innocent civilans" so we helped them and the brutalized people of iraq...the stories are endless of what sudam had done to his own people....so we helped right ? don't ask me why ha ha ha.

    Godfather
    ...
    Well... you know, the Kurdish genocide in Iraq was in 1988, right? It took us 15 years to respond to it.
    And not to justify it... but, from 1980 to 1988, Iraq was in a war with Iran. The Kurds decided to side with Iran and open a front in the north west region of Iraq. The Kurds were/are looking to set up an independent Kurdish state that would be the region in Iraq and carve out a portion of southern Turkey. The hopes were to set up a seperate Kurdish sate where the Kurds in Iran could immigrate to.
    Someone who sees justification in military operations to counter aggression and/or revolution could reach the conclusion that these attacks in northern Iraq were done so to protect the oil assets in that region from being lost.
    Also, the U.S. supplied Iraq with biological materials such as botulism and anthrax, siding with Iraq and their war efforts against Iran. Those weapons were destroyed after the Iraqi surrender in 1992.
    ...
    And we KNOW what led to the War. The Bush Administration's extreme hatred of Saddam Hussein. You have to remember, Dick Chaney was the Secretary of Defense during the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and Rumsfeld was a National Security Advisor.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Godfather. wrote:
    sad as it is..we need them, this world from day one of the first being has fought for or over something
    we have to see things for how they really are,agression will never go away and closing our eyes wont make it better.

    sorry Idris for the blunt and up-front reply to your question but we only have to look to history to see that it's true.

    Godfather.

    I agree (to an extent) more or less with that. To be honest, that was a really good post on many levels if it were to stand alone, but seems rather hypocritical when in the context of the general theme of 'war tech saving lives'. Also really no need to apologize for anything. It's all about communication, honest exchange of information,ideas etc. If your delivery is blunt, good. Direct and Straightforward, best way.
    --

    Drowned, Polaris, Cosmo, J, etc..Have already expressed whatever else I would of added to my above reply.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    I need a beer and a cigar....so bottom line here military technology actually can and does save lives.

    Godfather.

    military technology actually can and does saves lives..... by taking the lives of others. what?!! :crazy:
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I need a beer and a cigar....so bottom line here military technology actually can and does save lives.

    Godfather.

    military technology actually can and does saves lives..... by taking the lives of others. what?!! :crazy:

    oooo come cate you know what I mean ;) less lives seem to be lost during wars do to technologiccal advancments
    from US military tech.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    my thought on it Cosmo is this, we here on the train do not know for sure what led to war but what of the aggression from SUDAM to the Kurds ? they were out numbered and gunned and wiped out just for a promotion from Sudam and sudam ordered it to boot, so America for what ever reason steps in to stop the blood shed of as someone here said "innocent civilans" so we helped them and the brutalized people of iraq...the stories are endless of what sudam had done to his own people....so we helped right ? don't ask me why ha ha ha.

    Godfather
    ...
    Well... you know, the Kurdish genocide in Iraq was in 1988, right? It took us 15 years to respond to it.
    And not to justify it... but, from 1980 to 1988, Iraq was in a war with Iran. The Kurds decided to side with Iran and open a front in the north west region of Iraq. The Kurds were/are looking to set up an independent Kurdish state that would be the region in Iraq and carve out a portion of southern Turkey. The hopes were to set up a seperate Kurdish sate where the Kurds in Iran could immigrate to.
    Someone who sees justification in military operations to counter aggression and/or revolution could reach the conclusion that these attacks in northern Iraq were done so to protect the oil assets in that region from being lost.
    Also, the U.S. supplied Iraq with biological materials such as botulism and anthrax, siding with Iraq and their war efforts against Iran. Those weapons were destroyed after the Iraqi surrender in 1992.
    ...
    And we KNOW what led to the War. The Bush Administration's extreme hatred of Saddam Hussein. You have to remember, Dick Chaney was the Secretary of Defense during the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and Rumsfeld was a National Security Advisor.

    well I knew I was in the ball park, you know your stuff Cosmo all I can do is pay attention.
    Thanks,
    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I need a beer and a cigar....so bottom line here military technology actually can and does save lives.

    Godfather.

    military technology actually can and does saves lives..... by taking the lives of others. what?!! :crazy:

    oooo come cate you know what I mean ;) less lives seem to be lost during wars do to technologiccal advancments
    from US military tech.

    Godfather.


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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cate do you ever loose...or even call a draw ? :lol:

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cate do you ever loose...or even call a draw ? :lol:

    Godfather.



    im sure i have lost ... afterall im not infallible. ;)8-) as for calling a draw... whats the point of that?
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    polaris_x wrote:
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    that's just iraq ...

    IBC's numbers are totally unreliable. Their numbers were gathered from Iraqi civilian deaths reported in the Western media. The number they cite is a fraction of the true number of civilian casualties in that war.

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