Don't trade with Sawyer!!

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  • the best forum of the board,became the shame of it...
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  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,075
    the best forum of the board,became the shame of it...

    Im not sure there is anything wrong with a quick warning over deals gone wrong, in a self policing forum that is largely based on trust, the feedback system is at times essential. Provided it is fair and not abusive. In this scenario the 'guilty' (and I say that very loosely) party has come clean and apologised - so full respect to him for that.
  • pdalowsky wrote:
    the best forum of the board,became the shame of it...

    Im not sure there is anything wrong with a quick warning over deals gone wrong, in a self policing forum that is largely based on trust, the feedback system is at times essential. Provided it is fair and not abusive. In this scenario the 'guilty' (and I say that very loosely) party has come clean and apologised - so full respect to him for that.
    and who are we to judge?this isnt a court room..anyone wanna judge others can go to law school.and become a judge...
    ive seen it before...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,075
    pdalowsky wrote:
    the best forum of the board,became the shame of it...

    Im not sure there is anything wrong with a quick warning over deals gone wrong, in a self policing forum that is largely based on trust, the feedback system is at times essential. Provided it is fair and not abusive. In this scenario the 'guilty' (and I say that very loosely) party has come clean and apologised - so full respect to him for that.
    and who are we to judge?this isnt a court room..anyone wanna judge others can go to law school.and become a judge...
    ive seen it before...

    no one is judging anything D, its more a heads up that this wasnt a great trade and to proceed with caution. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

    People are always aware theres two sides to a coin, but there are scammers in the world (not Sawyer at all) and its prudent that people are made aware of that.

    We have a similar thread over at PJcollectors that serves the community very well (a blacklisted seller thread).....it is a cautious note to all people that there are fakes out there and to watch your back, a similar theme really
  • 8181 Posts: 58,276
    these threads are the best threads....

    it appears to got sawyer off his ass and to the post office. :lol:
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  • cowboypjfancowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    81 wrote:
    these threads are the best threads....

    it appears to got sawyer off his ass and to the post office. :lol:

    Mass motivation!
  • Totally agree with you Paul. Dimitris, if someone gets burned here and can not do anything about it this is the last resort (and it seems to work form time to time). Maybe they got burned on a trade or a cash deal or whatever but it serves two purposes: to be aware of a bad trader and to maybe call the guy out to pressure him to do somethign. I agree that this thread should die now that the OP and trader have settled things. But to say that you shouldnt make a public forum out of these things is naive and unfair to the person getting burned. Many times its their only/last option. So you just want someone to handle things privately with someone who refuses to respond to pms and emails and shit? Just makes no sense. I trade here a lot and certainly want to know who to trust and who not to trust.
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  • 81 wrote:
    these threads are the best threads....

    it appears to got sawyer off his ass and to the post office. :lol:


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  • RW8297RW8297 Posts: 1,610
    True. This mass motivation has led my trade to happy end. Sometimes it's the only way,..

    crazypjfan wrote:
    81 wrote:
    these threads are the best threads....

    it appears to got sawyer off his ass and to the post office. :lol:

    Mass motivation!
  • Totally agree with you Paul. Dimitris, if someone gets burned here and can not do anything about it this is the last resort (and it seems to work form time to time). Maybe they got burned on a trade or a cash deal or whatever but it serves two purposes: to be aware of a bad trader and to maybe call the guy out to pressure him to do somethign. I agree that this thread should die now that the OP and trader have settled things. But to say that you shouldnt make a public forum out of these things is naive and unfair to the person getting burned. Many times its their only/last option. So you just want someone to handle things privately with someone who refuses to respond to pms and emails and shit? Just makes no sense. I trade here a lot and certainly want to know who to trust and who not to trust.
    i believe this is private..we NEVER learn the whole truth..anyone can say what ever he like about this..
    if i post i thread that u try to grab my dick doesnt matter its true,,all will think you are gay
    tha impresions was made no matter the after...if im a liar..i ve seen it before...
    burn me and ask sorry at private messeges..yeah right..
    fuck that..feadback my ass..if a poster get lost in the mail,who are you to say im a bad trade for?
    who are we to judge other and do public trials..
    im against it..if you guys dont know who you trade to,im sorry,i know already..
    once arq sent an lp..i didnt even know the guy back then.,.took 3 months to arrive..
    i didnt say a word...i didnt post in public...3 fuckin months..was a no code vinyl..ask him if you dont believe it..he even thank me and wonder why i didnt burn him in the forum..
    we have a private deal..and what ever happens,will stay there..end of story..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • cowboypjfancowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    Totally agree with you Paul. Dimitris, if someone gets burned here and can not do anything about it this is the last resort (and it seems to work form time to time). Maybe they got burned on a trade or a cash deal or whatever but it serves two purposes: to be aware of a bad trader and to maybe call the guy out to pressure him to do somethign. I agree that this thread should die now that the OP and trader have settled things. But to say that you shouldnt make a public forum out of these things is naive and unfair to the person getting burned. Many times its their only/last option. So you just want someone to handle things privately with someone who refuses to respond to pms and emails and shit? Just makes no sense. I trade here a lot and certainly want to know who to trust and who not to trust.
    i believe this is private..we NEVER learn the whole truth..anyone can say what ever he like about this..
    if i post i thread that u try to grab my dick doesnt matter its true,,all will think you are gay
    tha impresions was made no matter the after...if im a liar..i ve seen it before...
    burn me and ask sorry at private messeges..yeah right..
    fuck that..feadback my ass..if a poster get lost in the mail,who are you to say im a bad trade for?
    who are we to judge other and do public trials..
    im against it..if you guys dont know who you trade to,im sorry,i know already..
    once arq sent an lp..i didnt even know the guy back then.,.took 3 months to arrive..
    i didnt say a word...i didnt post in public...3 fuckin months..was a no code vinyl..ask him if you dont believe it..he even thank me and wonder why i didnt burn him in the forum..
    we have a private deal..and what ever happens,will stay there..end of story..

    I disagree. Most people around here are good, but there are exceptions and people need to know about them. I don't think this thread hurt anyone, sawyer included. I would still trade with him because it sounds like he made good on it after taking too long.

    I don't think it should take 2 weeks to get your stuff, let alone 2 or 3 months. It is tough here with nothing backing you and your risk, especially on big trades.

    If you hurry and send out your end of the deal and then have to wait 2 months, how else are you supposed to track down your goods or let others know who does/doesn't take priority in your trade and is selfish.
  • Tboz51Tboz51 Posts: 2,808
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    "Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
    :-)
  • crazypjfan wrote:
    Totally agree with you Paul. Dimitris, if someone gets burned here and can not do anything about it this is the last resort (and it seems to work form time to time). Maybe they got burned on a trade or a cash deal or whatever but it serves two purposes: to be aware of a bad trader and to maybe call the guy out to pressure him to do somethign. I agree that this thread should die now that the OP and trader have settled things. But to say that you shouldnt make a public forum out of these things is naive and unfair to the person getting burned. Many times its their only/last option. So you just want someone to handle things privately with someone who refuses to respond to pms and emails and shit? Just makes no sense. I trade here a lot and certainly want to know who to trust and who not to trust.
    i believe this is private..we NEVER learn the whole truth..anyone can say what ever he like about this..
    if i post i thread that u try to grab my dick doesnt matter its true,,all will think you are gay
    tha impresions was made no matter the after...if im a liar..i ve seen it before...
    burn me and ask sorry at private messeges..yeah right..
    fuck that..feadback my ass..if a poster get lost in the mail,who are you to say im a bad trade for?
    who are we to judge other and do public trials..
    im against it..if you guys dont know who you trade to,im sorry,i know already..
    once arq sent an lp..i didnt even know the guy back then.,.took 3 months to arrive..
    i didnt say a word...i didnt post in public...3 fuckin months..was a no code vinyl..ask him if you dont believe it..he even thank me and wonder why i didnt burn him in the forum..
    we have a private deal..and what ever happens,will stay there..end of story..

    I disagree. Most people around here are good, but there are exceptions and people need to know about them. I don't think this thread hurt anyone, sawyer included. I would still trade with him because it sounds like he made good on it after taking too long.

    I don't think it should take 2 weeks to get your stuff, let alone 2 or 3 months. It is tough here with nothing backing you and your risk, especially on big trades.

    If you hurry and send out your end of the deal and then have to wait 2 months, how else are you supposed to track down your goods or let others know who does/doesn't take priority in your trade and is selfish.
    yes,i think,maybe he did.he didnt ..we shall see,perople like to judge others people like to be on top,people love gossip..
    and this is happening here after someone post threads like that...
    who said sawyer or OP says the truth/who?you/me/who..says its all true..or lies?cos someone said so?
    im against private deals to go public and the rest do public courts like they know all..thats all..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • cowboypjfancowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    crazypjfan wrote:
    i believe this is private..we NEVER learn the whole truth..anyone can say what ever he like about this..
    if i post i thread that u try to grab my dick doesnt matter its true,,all will think you are gay
    tha impresions was made no matter the after...if im a liar..i ve seen it before...
    burn me and ask sorry at private messeges..yeah right..
    fuck that..feadback my ass..if a poster get lost in the mail,who are you to say im a bad trade for?
    who are we to judge other and do public trials..
    im against it..if you guys dont know who you trade to,im sorry,i know already..
    once arq sent an lp..i didnt even know the guy back then.,.took 3 months to arrive..
    i didnt say a word...i didnt post in public...3 fuckin months..was a no code vinyl..ask him if you dont believe it..he even thank me and wonder why i didnt burn him in the forum..
    we have a private deal..and what ever happens,will stay there..end of story..

    I disagree. Most people around here are good, but there are exceptions and people need to know about them. I don't think this thread hurt anyone, sawyer included. I would still trade with him because it sounds like he made good on it after taking too long.

    I don't think it should take 2 weeks to get your stuff, let alone 2 or 3 months. It is tough here with nothing backing you and your risk, especially on big trades.

    If you hurry and send out your end of the deal and then have to wait 2 months, how else are you supposed to track down your goods or let others know who does/doesn't take priority in your trade and is selfish.
    yes,i think,maybe he did.he didnt ..we shall see,perople like to judge others people like to be on top,people love gossip..
    and this is happening here after someone post threads like that...
    who said sawyer or OP says the truth/who?you/me/who..says its all true..or lies?cos someone said so?
    im against private deals to go public and the rest do public courts like they know all..thats all..

    I hear ya. Maybe there should be a time limit or warning to the person at fault before starting a thread about them. However, if the goods have little value, $100 or less, it isn't worth starting a thread over it.

    Ok, from now out people, just get your shit out when you are supposed to so noone has to worrry about this nonsense :)
  • Tboz51 wrote:
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    im not talking only for trades or sales..im taking about all private issue.
    this isnt a court room.....anyone can burn others before you can defende your self...
    in the 1st page of the thread we all believe the OP..the second page after Sawyer post..oh...he is the good guy now..
    bullshit..we dont know shit...i dont believe anyone and im not the one to judge them..
    im against this threads period..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pdalowskypdalowsky Posts: 15,075
    Tboz51 wrote:
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    im not talking only for trades or sales..im taking about all private issue.
    this isnt a court room.....anyone can burn others before you can defende your self...
    in the 1st page of the thread we all believe the OP..the second page after Sawyer post..oh...he is the good guy now..
    bullshit..we dont know shit...i dont believe anyone and im not the one to judge them..
    im against this threads period..

    Its just an opinion Dimi......

    There is a general consensus that the wrong doer (lets call them that) is usually given every chance to make things right before this happens.

    This forum is built on trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. That should go unannounced? not for me.

    dialogue solves all problems when done right, so this is always a VERY VERY last resort.

    in this instance, I wouldnt say Sawyer is the good guy. But he put things right. Its just a shame that it came to this thread to do that. But like it was said above, because he put things right it certainly wouldnt put me off trading with him.
  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    Tboz51 wrote:
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    im not talking only for trades or sales..im taking about all private issue.
    this isnt a court room.....anyone can burn others before you can defende your self...
    in the 1st page of the thread we all believe the OP..the second page after Sawyer post..oh...he is the good guy now..
    bullshit..we dont know shit...i dont believe anyone and im not the one to judge them..
    im against this threads period..
    Word UP!!
  • pdalowsky wrote:
    Tboz51 wrote:
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    im not talking only for trades or sales..im taking about all private issue.
    this isnt a court room.....anyone can burn others before you can defende your self...
    in the 1st page of the thread we all believe the OP..the second page after Sawyer post..oh...he is the good guy now..
    bullshit..we dont know shit...i dont believe anyone and im not the one to judge them..
    im against this threads period..

    Its just an opinion Dimi......

    There is a general consensus that the wrong doer (lets call them that) is usually given every chance to make things right before this happens.

    This forum is built on trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. That should go unannounced? not for me.

    dialogue solves all problems when done right, so this is always a VERY VERY last resort.

    in this instance, I wouldnt say Sawyer is the good guy. But he put things right. Its just a shame that it came to this thread to do that. But like it was said above, because he put things right it certainly wouldnt put me off trading with him.
    ok Paul,i get what u saying
    i just have a different opinion what a dialogue is..
    and this isnt for me,when everyone jump in and say what he thinks,and judge who is good or not.cos read OP statement,or sawyer answer..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Tboz51Tboz51 Posts: 2,808
    Tboz51 wrote:
    It seems Dimitris just thinks the dirty laundry isn't healthy.

    I don't agree, because sometimes stuff needs to be said. Like it or not this thread created dialogue.

    He is entitled to his own opinion and states he'd handle it differently.

    To each his own....

    Mad props for the offender and the offended.
    im not talking only for trades or sales..im taking about all private issue.
    this isnt a court room.....anyone can burn others before you can defende your self...
    in the 1st page of the thread we all believe the OP..the second page after Sawyer post..oh...he is the good guy now..
    bullshit..we dont know shit...i dont believe anyone and im not the one to judge them..
    im against this threads period..

    Seems we are able to make judgements inside this thread about others making judements in this thread?

    So you dislike this thread, got it.

    I think it is imformative and in the end it got settled.

    Do all these threads get worked out? Nope, is there he said she said.. yep....

    But I would defend this thread, the freedom of it being posted to my death. Just as I would defend your opinion in the opposite.

    I see nothing slanderous in it. (this is my own opinion)
    "Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
    :-)
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,185
    Tboz51 wrote:
    As polarizing and agitating as Sawyer can be
    :lol:
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Hey Dimi, shouldn't you have taken up your issue with the thread and the OP in a pm? :o
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  • pdalowsky wrote:
    This forum is built on trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. That should go unannounced? not for me.

    D, this is the whole arguement for me in this situation. After every possible effort is exhausted to get a hold of the person who might not be holding up their end of a trade is made. only then should you post.
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  • boyo79boyo79 Posts: 6,525
    Totally agree with you Paul. Dimitris, if someone gets burned here and can not do anything about it this is the last resort (and it seems to work form time to time). Maybe they got burned on a trade or a cash deal or whatever but it serves two purposes: to be aware of a bad trader and to maybe call the guy out to pressure him to do somethign. I agree that this thread should die now that the OP and trader have settled things. But to say that you shouldnt make a public forum out of these things is naive and unfair to the person getting burned. Many times its their only/last option. So you just want someone to handle things privately with someone who refuses to respond to pms and emails and shit? Just makes no sense. I trade here a lot and certainly want to know who to trust and who not to trust.


    +1.

    pdalowsky wrote:
    in this instance, I wouldnt say Sawyer is the good guy. But he put things right. Its just a shame that it came to this thread to do that. But like it was said above, because he put things right it certainly wouldnt put me off trading with him.

    Yep. So the thread worked. If the OP wasn't getting anywhere with info on his trade, what else was he supposed to do? Keep sending pm's in the hope that he might get an answer?

    I think the OP was right with his thread as he kept his post balanced and Sawyer was good to come here and sort it though he should have done this earlier I guess. But all seems good now so lets move on!
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  • pdalowsky wrote:
    This forum is built on trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. That should go unannounced? not for me.

    D, this is the whole arguement for me in this situation. After every possible effort is exhausted to get a hold of the person who might not be holding up their end of a trade is made. only then should you post.
    i understand guys,im here too..i know..the result is always the same..
    cos i said so,doeasnt mean saywer or everyone is a bad trade or not...
    everyone thinks that this kind of threads is for warn the community and its trust..sorry..it doesnt..
    just burn someone in 1st page and the other one at the second page after a response and again the same circle..
    isnt court room..cos this is happening after this threads.a public court..
    .not that we are safe of a bad person to trade
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • and i can give you an exable..
    lets say someone post that Black Diamond is bad trade...with proofs and etc pm.receipts..blah blah..
    i dont give a shit
    Adam is my best friend,and i dont care..ill support him..
    same here..someone know sawyer in person,or made his trades was ok with him,why to belive the other guy/
    and its a circle..this has nothing to do with feadback here what happening after a thread like that,..
    has to do with gossip and people judge with not having a clue ,dont know the whole true but are ready to jump in .judge easily,..i ve seen it 50 times already...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pdalowsky wrote:
    This forum is built on trust. Sometimes that trust is broken. That should go unannounced? not for me.

    D, this is the whole arguement for me in this situation. After every possible effort is exhausted to get a hold of the person who might not be holding up their end of a trade is made. only then should you post.
    i understand guys,im here too..i know..the result is always the same..
    cos i said so,doeasnt mean saywer or everyone is a bad trade or not...
    everyone thinks that this kind of threads is for warn the community and its trust..sorry..it doesnt..
    just burn someone in 1st page and the other one at the second page after a response and again the same circle..
    isnt court room..cos this is happening after this threads.a public court..
    .not that we are safe of a bad person to trade

    The OP had good reason to post if his PM's were not being replied to. This isn't a Kangaroo Court, Sawyer had his chance to make it right through PM's. Now he has made amends publicly which takes balls. Good on him.
  • cowboypjfancowboypjfan Posts: 2,453
    and i can give you an exable..
    lets say someone post that Black Diamond is bad trade...with proofs and etc pm.receipts..blah blah..
    i dont give a shit
    Adam is my best friend,and i dont care..ill support him..
    same here..someone know sawyer in person,or made his trades was ok with him,why to belive the other guy/
    and its a circle..this has nothing to do with feadback here what happening after a thread like that,..
    has to do with gossip and people judge with not having a clue ,dont know the whole true but are ready to jump in .judge easily,..i ve seen it 50 times already...

    Well, maybe you don't truly know this person if you still support them after a bad trade. Your politics with sticking up for someone even if they are wrong is just as bad as calling someone out, imo.

    Don't be naive people. Everyone that posts here is not all good.

    Also, when you keep posting in this thread, you are shedding more light on the two subjects here.

    Let's just agree to disagree and move on. If this method works for some, let it. To each his own..
  • Tboz51Tboz51 Posts: 2,808
    and i can give you an exable..
    lets say someone post that Black Diamond is bad trade...with proofs and etc pm.receipts..blah blah..
    i dont give a shit
    Adam is my best friend,and i dont care..ill support him..
    same here..someone know sawyer in person,or made his trades was ok with him,why to belive the other guy/
    and its a circle..this has nothing to do with feadback here what happening after a thread like that,..
    has to do with gossip and people judge with not having a clue ,dont know the whole true but are ready to jump in .judge easily,..i ve seen it 50 times already...

    Why'd you have to bring up that snake Black Diamond?

    He stole my style.

    :lol::lol::lol:
    "Honesty will always be construed as negative to a dumbass"
    :-)
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