Putting it all in perspective

Evil-Little-Goat

Yeah that's the part I agree with;)

Paul Andrews

dimitrispearljam wrote:

As UK Paul said,didnt expect less from you Buddy...nice post ,well said..
im here for friend ,community and love of people and music..the rest are details doesnt count..
still we need to meet at a show...

One day mate - one day!

we-were-but-stones

very very well put

Miss Colada

Well communicated Paul. Constructive feedback is the only way forward, not vitriol. I look forward to the days when posts are about new music and following set lists. Some of my greatest memories of the board has been when rumours start getting mentioned about tours, it's like the excitement kids have before Christmas. Good luck to all that are still to get tickets so that we can all can get back to the music! And to all that are experiencing health challenges, love & light to you. Paul hope the little one's health improves x

Paul Andrews

Thank you for the reasoned and fair responses... your light made us stars

Black Diamond

Very well said... I am in complete agreement that everyone has a right to be dissapointed or make fair and reasonable comments (I did myself... It would have been nice to know in advance that US credit cards would have been an issue at 3 AM to buy tickets to Stockholm ... Luckily I have made great friends here and one of them stepped up to help), but the hatred that has shown up... including the thread that happened this morning was truly upsetting to me. I, like you, bring my children to shows... I think it has helped them see the world as one place. I would not want them to know that people here thought liked that.

Thanks for being an adult... I aspire everyday to be one.

Adam

bnewman19

Well said Paul. Great post!

Nami

Wow, im not on facebook and they did that to Mr.McCready?

For Shame!!!!!!!!!

Man this is terrible and I hope none of his family seen that crap.

NewJPage

Paul Andrews wrote:

I just wish all our communications/debates/gripes could be conducted more like Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN than Sean Hannity on Faux News.

are you implying that Sean Hannity is full of shit? good on ya. and nice original post. I have a couple of gripes, but they are repeated on a 24 hour cycle here, so no need for me to add to the fire. I have had very good experiences with 10club and my contacts with the people there, which happens very rarely. I'm guessing they are not happy that they are having problems and are attempting to fix things. Shit happens. I've been frustrated at times, sure, but bottom line, they seem like good people. Plus there is no other pearl jam fanclub, so i'm stuck here

fortheloveofpearljam

I posted this elsewhere but wanted to share my thoughts here also...

10C has me listed as a member since 2008 but I have actually been a member on and off (more on then off) since I was 12 years old, beginning in 1994, under my maiden name. I have the Christmas singles to prove it. I must say that I have always hoped to get tickets to the shows that I have attended through the 10C and this tour is the time it really paid off. I got tickets to Eddie's solo tour through 10C and the seats were not great. Seats in the past that I have gotten through 10C for West Palm Beach and Mansfield, MA were not great either. WITH THAT SAID, at least I got tickets. I am not a member of the 10C solely for ticket benefits. I am a member because Pearl Jam is the GREATEST BAND EVER! Their music and lyrics got me through my turmultous teenage years, and they have gotten me through many difficulties throughout my life. I feel a deep spiritual connection to their music, to their lyrics, as if they have been written just for me. And the 10C offers me the closest thing to a relationship with the band. This is about LOVE, people! LOVE of the MUSIC, LOVE of the BAND. FORTHELOVEOFPEARLJAM
Share the LOVE

javis el errante

beautiful, people don't speak or write like this anymore...

I understand disappointment, but I don't approve of being disrespectful, towards 10C workers or members, because of disappoinment or disagreement...

My best wishes to you, your family and specially your daughter...

jjflash

Paul Andrews wrote:

Disappointment is fair and justified - abuse and hate is not.

Paul,

You are a voice of much-needed reason. Thanks for taking the time in the original post to share your incisive thoughts. A lot of this boils down to communication which you've managed to do quite effectively. Like you said, "Disappointment is fair and justified - abuse and hate is not."

I hope one of the 10C's takeaways on this and other matters is that they can do a better job of communicating to the masses. Over the past couple of years I've come to expect from them, at least in the public forum, inconsistent and poor communication. It should not be that way. Conversely, I hope one of our (by our I mean the fans) takeaways is similar: to express one's disappointment is sometimes justified, as in the ticketing case, but do so in a positive manner and let the vituperative schlock desist. Spewing invectives corrodes not only the intended target but the one who spewed.

This forum has recently been like a messy family get-together. We are better than this. Here's to better days. Congrats to those that got the PJ20 Vinyl, etc. Congrats to those who'll have a chance to see the European tour. I think most of us are here primarily for the same reason: the music. Hopefully this community will only heighten our musical journey together via Pearl Jam.

Last, and most certainly not least, I extend my thoughts and prayers to your family, especially your daughter. I hope you find peace on this challenging journey with her health complications and that her heart proves to radiate strength.

Cheers,

David

Yield72

Try to be a European guy that just want to be inform..... No one are angry about have or not tickets...

We just want informations at time..... To be respect, as we always repesct the 10C and the band.....

The 10C don't forget my email when it's to pay the membership.... This week, they lost...????

Put tickets on sale without inform the fans isn't respect at all......

KG179574

Nicely said Paul, thank you for taking the time to write this (and it was very well written!). Great post, wishing you and your family well.

Abe Froman

I agree with Paul. I have never met him, have only seen a handful of his posts on here but he pretty much summed up what I have wanted to say on here for a long time. Really well said about constructive criticism. Expressing your frustration and anger through rudeness and hate is very sad to see on here. I come here to share love for a band that has been a huge part of my life, not to see a bunch of greedy, mean-spirited comments towards the band or the fan club of the band.

Again, well said Paul. I hope the new year brings your family health and happiness. Maybe one day we can have a beer while watching the greatest live band around!

JonnyPistachio

Good Post Paul.

I think people need to be heard when they are upset (ticket system is, and has been flawed for quite some time now), but they need to remember that rudeness and anger will not get them anywhere. if people are upset, I would hope they might take a step back and use a method to get themselves heard and taken seriously.

Obviously, things need to be fixed. I figured after the past few fiascos, it would be resolved. After this one, I'd be willing to bet all the fellas in PJ, the management, the 10C, and even Mikes dog know about the issue and will do their best to make sure it doesnt happen again.

Now, that being said, if PJ dont come to the southeast US soon, I'm going to rip this page a new one! haha, j/k

Paul Andrews

Just woke up here in West Australia, reading through the replies. It's really gratifying to see the way my post has been discussed respectfully. I half expected flames :roll:

Good people sometimes do silly things or make mistakes - I have been especially guilty of this on many occasions in my life - but it is how we move on from those things that show true character.

The willingness Of Kelly Curtis to come to the board and answer questions, Kat's handling of the threads, and the fact that my inbox is suddenly full of good wishes, proves this community is healthy and compassionate (and passionate).

Let's ALL try to return this forum to the constructive and enjoyable place it once was - even when things go wrong, there is a higher road we call all take - we'll all benefit from that path.

Cheers everyone, I meant it when I said some of the best people I've ever met have come from this forum - you've proved me correct.

MissBeeGirl

After all this craziness the last few days on here and on Facebook its good to come online and see this post.

What you have written Paul pretty much sums up how I feel and I can confidently say most all my PJ Friends. It's always when things go bad that we see the worse side come out in people, and they always forget when things went well for them. Yes I haven't been involved in buying tickets during this, but these simply no need to abuse people because of it...but it does happen. I expereince it in my line of work...and than those people wonder why down the line i don't been over backwards for them anymore!! I learnt and have taught people, never email or text when in a bad mood, because once those words are typed you can't take them back. So before you go onto Mike's facebook page and have a go at him or come on here...think first, if you're in a bad mood walk away and come back when you're level headed.

Paul this thread is one of the best I've seen in the long run.

I hope you're daughter pulls through and in a month you get some good news. Hope you have a super awesome Christmas and I'm hope Santa spoilts those kids of yours.

Sharon

Paul Andrews

MissBeeGirl wrote:

I hope you're daughter pulls through and in a month you get some good news. Hope you have a super awesome Christmas and I'm hope Santa spoilts those kids of yours.

Sharon

Thanks Sharon, Santa already spoilt them this year with a month in the USA, bringing home two awesome guitars for one of them, seeing Foo Fighters in LA, a shopping spree in Toy'r'Us in Time Square and other shops in LA city walkfor the other (yeah i know they're is touristy and expensive - but it is kid heaven). Hanging out in Hawaii, going to the water park etc. Sanata's pockets are empty

They'll still have an awesome Xmas.

Paul Andrews

Abe Froman wrote:

Again, well said Paul. I hope the new year brings your family health and happiness. Maybe one day we can have a beer while watching the greatest live band around!

Abe, you bring the sausages and I'll bring the beer - Aussie of course. I assume your sausages are straight from Chicago?