I think we need to tread lightly...

DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
edited December 2011 in The Porch
I know I posted a thread earlier that was kind of joking around about the bitching...and to me it is funny. Got me thinking however. What if the Ten Club decides to just do away with ticket presales? I know I'm going to get bashed pretty hard here but oh well. I'm sure the people that work for the Club are just absolutley fed up with the amount of bitching when tickets go on sale. What if they just decided to wave the white flag and do away with it? I was a member with a bunch of you before the ticket perk, and if this was ever taken away I'll still be here...bummed out, but here. Yes some members would go away and member's dues would be lost by the club, but that could pretty quickly be compensated for with slightly increasing dues for members who continue and slightly raising merchandise prices...a lose lose for all members.

All I'm thinking is I do find it strange that Ten Club had problems selling the tickets and now a second independent company with a proven histroy of doing their job correctly now couldn't do it. Please just be mindful and let's hope that something can be figured out moving forward. Complaining right now isn't going to change anything. The pre-sale is gone for Europe. To ease your mind just think of it like you couldn't secure tickets and try again tomorrow during the normal sale.
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  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    If the 10c did away the 10c tickets....There won't be a 10c....That your answer plain as day....Who is going to pay 20 or 40 bucks to buy questionalbe quality t-shirts.....

    Jeremy
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    They might just do that, or maybe they made a list and the club is going to get a little smaller.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    If the 10c did away the 10c tickets....There won't be a 10c....That your answer plain as day....Who is going to pay 20 or 40 bucks to buy questionalbe quality t-shirts.....

    Jeremy


    The same members who in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995 when tickets weren't a perk of the club. All we got were the single, newsletter, and a brochure to buy merchandise.
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    DS1119 wrote:
    If the 10c did away the 10c tickets....There won't be a 10c....That your answer plain as day....Who is going to pay 20 or 40 bucks to buy questionalbe quality t-shirts.....

    Jeremy


    The same members who in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995 when tickets weren't a perk of the club. All we got were the single, newsletter, and a brochure to buy merchandise.


    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy
  • KingJeremyDKingJeremyD Posts: 2,313
    DS1119 wrote:
    If the 10c did away the 10c tickets....There won't be a 10c....That your answer plain as day....Who is going to pay 20 or 40 bucks to buy questionalbe quality t-shirts.....

    Jeremy


    The same members who in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995 when tickets weren't a perk of the club. All we got were the single, newsletter, and a brochure to buy merchandise.


    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497

    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy


    Not every member would leave if they did away with presales. Not nearly as many as you think either. You don't think lost revenue for the Club couldn't be made up with Limited Edition items? Have you watched just the last three months here? Breaking the Club's balls here isn't going to change the past.
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!
  • Don't know if you guys noticed, but they JUST DID AWAY WITH OUT PRESALE.

    Thanks.
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  • DS1119 wrote:

    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy


    Not every member would leave if they did away with presales. Not nearly as many as you think either. You don't think lost revenue for the Club couldn't be made up with Limited Edition items? Have you watched just the last three months here? Breaking the Club's balls here isn't going to change the past.

    Amen Brutha!! I haven't bought tickets since 98 but still renew my membership every year...Tockets are the reason I come here its the people and the merchandise.

    Except lately it's just a lot of whining by people.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.
  • eyejackereyejacker Posts: 1,282
    I disagree about the tickets being the only reason for being here... I will never let my membership lapse...
    I'm here for the band and the community...
  • MudfestMudfest Posts: 1,025
    No Presale tickets = the return of big time scalpers at PJ shows
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  • abhijeetabhijeet Posts: 303
    Pretty much all the merch items that I care about (Albums, Bootlegs, Occasional t-shirt) are available for the general public.

    The fan club only stuff tends to be very limited quantity anyway, so they don't need to raise prices or have that many members to sell them out.

    No ticket sales = no club membership for me.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Mudfest wrote:
    No Presale tickets = the return of big time scalpers at PJ shows


    Have you been to a show recently? Scalpers aren't already a problem?? I'm not trying to argue with you but if the Club did away with the pre-sale and I HOPE if never happens, why the hell would they care about scalpers? How much money if any do they make from handling the presale? For all we know it might just be more of a hassle then anything.
  • nadahombrenadahombre Brooklyn Posts: 458
    The thing is that crowdsurge are f*ckin nobodys. i live in the UK they are apparently based in the uk but I have never heard of them as a ticket outlet. Here there is ticketmaster, aloud, gigsand tours, to name a few of the majors but who the f*ck are crowdsurge. Sabotage???? What the F*ck??? sounds like a load of BS. I agree the 10c have just done away with our pre-sale meaning no benefit and if the 10c decide to do this they are out of a job as without our funding they are nothing more than a stockroom of bad t-shirts
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    DS1119 wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.

    There are tonnes for free forums, ones that are less spammy n probably better. I just like the merchandise here and I'm friends with people.

    Xmas single doesn't mean anything, I just get the MP3 of it, I don't have a record player so can't do anything. The newsletter is really not any good, we know about half of it anyway and the other stuff they could just put on their Facebook pages :P
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Brisk. wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.

    There are tonnes for free forums, ones that are less spammy n probably better. I just like the merchandise here and I'm friends with people.

    Xmas single doesn't mean anything, I just get the MP3 of it, I don't have a record player so can't do anything. The newsletter is really not any good, we know about half of it anyway and the other stuff they could just put on their Facebook pages :P


    Alot less spammy than here? Where have you ever seen spam here? I guess you're one of the ones that go if the presale goes away. Sucks...I don't want to see anyone leave, I just want this to keep growing but shit happens. Again, Im not saying I hope the presale goes away, I'm just saying lets ease up a bit. We have a long winter ahead of us for them to hopefully this out.
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    [quote="DS1119"
    There are tonnes for free forums, ones that are less spammy n probably better. I just like the merchandise here and I'm friends with people.

    Xmas single doesn't mean anything, I just get the MP3 of it, I don't have a record player so can't do anything. The newsletter is really not any good, we know about half of it anyway and the other stuff they could just put on their Facebook pages :P[/quote]


    Alot less spammy than here? Where have you ever seen spam here? I guess you're one of the ones that go if the presale goes away. Sucks...I don't want to see anyone leave, I just want this to keep growing but shit happens. Again, Im not saying I hope the presale goes away, I'm just saying lets ease up a bit. We have a long winter ahead of us for them to hopefully this out.[/quote]

    Like the Red Mosquito board. No, I've got 10k posts, I've been around a whilst.

    Yeah I just feel terrible for those without tix, I got all my 6 pairs in the original sale.
  • DS1119 wrote:

    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy


    Not every member would leave if they did away with presales. Not nearly as many as you think either. You don't think lost revenue for the Club couldn't be made up with Limited Edition items? Have you watched just the last three months here? Breaking the Club's balls here isn't going to change the past.


    Hell, I'd stick around. I just love talking Pearl Jam with you all.
  • CareyCarey Posts: 2,361
    I wouldn't go anywhere :D
    "Can't buy what I want because it's free..."
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    DS1119 wrote:
    If the 10c did away the 10c tickets....There won't be a 10c....That your answer plain as day....Who is going to pay 20 or 40 bucks to buy questionalbe quality t-shirts.....

    Jeremy


    The same members who in 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 1995 when tickets weren't a perk of the club. All we got were the single, newsletter, and a brochure to buy merchandise.


    How many fan club members was there in the early 90's?....This is 2011....There is one reason why there is so many in the fan club now....TICKETS!!!!

    Jeremy

    And that's part of the problem; an overwhelming amount of people attacking a system to get precious and limited tickets. I do see these problems as a beginning to an end of what we know of things to be right now. These problems can't continue. The number of people demanding entitlement is overwhelming, as well as a server not being able to handle the insane traffic, sabotage, or whatever. I bet things are going to change, and I don't think it'll be more 10c tix to be had. The demand for tickets and 10c's inability to please everyone is totally insane. And I am not defending 10c here. I'm just observing how the fans are part of the problem in the grand scheme of things.
  • Try it. No 10Club Tickets = No 10 Club....as has been mentioned.
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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    DS1119 wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.
    Yeah, very good. For $50 international fee you do get a download file of a show, good enough I guess. Deep mags and vinyls are really a matter of taste and most of us don't even have a record player. The analog t-shirt is a pretty poor effort, who would know what it even means to look at it? I love the forums for sure but most people want a chance to get priviledge tickets for being a paid member of this fanclub and to see the whites of the band's eyes, not be stuck next to the ceiling! $50 also gets you a chance to get loads of overpriced merch if you're quick/wealthy enough to get funds for and if you happen to take a holiday you probably woldn't know about it anyway unless you're bosom buddies with Santos on Facebook. The powers that be are running out of excuses so fast that they are hiding behind a shield until they can come up with an answer ridiculous enough that someone might actually believe it. I don't think calling for heads is fully justified but in other walks of life you wouldn't get away with with some of the incompetence we see here. We have a right to push their buttons, it's called consumers rights. We have a product description of the membership privileges in the goods section but when the most important aspect of that goes unfulfilled time after time do we just sit around and accept that maybe this fanclub is very poorly managed in comparison with many other bands organizations or do we put our freedom of speech to use and try to vent our feelings and deliver what we believe the solutions are to the problems. Too many people defend 10c for reasons only known to them but if you were to buy a boot with a song missing you'd be the first to start a Song X Missing From Show X WTF!!!!! thread or try to blame 10c because your mailman is a disrespectful asshole. Nothing gets explained properly by the people whose wages you are paying! We are effectively shareholders surely? I love Pearl Jam, the music, boots, shows etc and these forums have brought me much joy and new friendships and I'll continue to pay my fees. It doesn't mean I have to pretend that it's good value for money and entering a pre-sale in several hours with every other Tom, Dick or Harry makes me feel like a bit of a mug to be honest... :roll:
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Jeanwah wrote:
    And that's part of the problem; an overwhelming amount of people attacking a system to get precious and limited tickets. I do see these problems as a beginning to an end of what we know of things to be right now. These problems can't continue. The number of people demanding entitlement is overwhelming, as well as a server not being able to handle the insane traffic, sabotage, or whatever. I bet things are going to change, and I don't think it'll be more 10c tix to be had. The demand for tickets and 10c's inability to please everyone is totally insane. And I am not defending 10c here. I'm just observing how the fans are part of the problem in the grand scheme of things.


    Exactly. We better ease of the gas here as members our the frickin motor is going to blow. What happened happened and hopefully over the winter things can be addressed but blasting the club with thread after thread right now is just not good.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Try it. No 10Club Tickets = No 10 Club....as has been mentioned.


    There was a Ten CLub for five years before they had any ticket offers and pretty much before the boom of the internet. If they turn their direction toward merchandise they could keep going just as easily as they are now without listening to people bitching about tickets. You have looked at Ebay correct? All that limited edition stuff? You do see what it sells for correct? What if the Ten Club just did away with tickets and doubled the price of merchandise and/or started selling on Ebay directly? You don't think they can make up for the lost membership dues? In fucking spades they could.
  • If tickets were to disappear from 10 club I know I will still be a member.
    Granted I've only been here for a few years but I've been going to shows since 2000 (I'm young :lol: )
    Being from europe I had the massive wait for them to play here between 2000 and 06. After the 09 tour I joined the club thinking that there's no way they would be back so soon after playing here 06,07,09 but then they came back in in 2010. The pre-sale was great but I was a member not expecting shows. After the 2010 tour I knew it would be 3 or 4 more years but no they're back again! :D
    I guess my point is that I'm a european member who is expecting to not see them over here for a while yet I renew for other reasons.
    It's nice to get the vinyl and magazine through the door. Opening the envelope with the seattle address kind of feels old school, like it's being run from one of their friends bedrooms. Plus this year we got new perks in the shape of a tshirt (alright so there's debate over the design but next year's could be awesome), PJ radio which I regularly have on in the background, a free bootleg download coupon (still haven't picked which one to go for yet maybe the canada one when REM split up or maybe hold out for alpine valley), some nice exclusive merch (not all is limited, look at the 10 of clubs hoodie I wear that almost daily), I managed to get the deluxe version of the PJ20 film not available elsewhere too.
    If there wasn't a tour this year I would have still felt that the membership fee was worth it this year.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    veddertown wrote:
    but if you were to buy a boot with a song missing you'd be the first to start a Song X Missing From Show X WTF!!!!!:


    Kind of take offense to this. I have actually never posted anything bashing the fan club other than the price of the PJ20 book which was cheaper else where, so you know what I did, I purchased it elsewhere. I may joke which is my nature, but I have never out right bitched about the club, you know why? I have the right to walk away at anytime like anyone else. They aren't holding me here. What they offer me is something much more than tickets and what some people call cheap merchandise. This forum is well worth the membership fees. I have talked about things with members here over the past ten months that I haven't talked about with my friends or family. I see people getting random gifts and donations from other members in times of need. I read stories daily here of people going through tough times and be lifted up by other members. That shit is priceless to me. Not the bitching. If a member thinks something is overpriced...don't buy it. You have no use for the Christmas single, send it to someone who can appreciate it. If people don't understand your analog shirt, screw it who cares?? I feel the Ten Club will figure this out.
  • abhijeetabhijeet Posts: 303
    DS1119 wrote:
    veddertown wrote:
    but if you were to buy a boot with a song missing you'd be the first to start a Song X Missing From Show X WTF!!!!!:


    Kind of take offense to this. I have actually never posted anything bashing the fan club other than the price of the PJ20 book which was cheaper else where, so you know what I did, I purchased it elsewhere. I may joke which is my nature, but I have never out right bitched about the club, you know why? I have the right to walk away at anytime like anyone else. They aren't holding me here. What they offer me is something much more than tickets and what some people call cheap merchandise. This forum is well worth the membership fees. I have talked about things with members here over the past ten months that I haven't talked about with my friends or family. I see people getting random gifts and donations from other members in times of need. I read stories daily here of people going through tough times and be lifted up by other members. That shit is priceless to me. Not the bitching. If a member thinks something is overpriced...don't buy it. You have no use for the Christmas single, send it to someone who can appreciate it. If people don't understand your analog shirt, screw it who cares?? I feel the Ten Club will figure this out.

    The forum is open to non-members, is it not?
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  • thefixer9thefixer9 Posts: 9,376
    DS1119 wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.

    Usually I would tell you to go to bed Dave but I actually really agree with you! Tickets are actually the least important reason why I come here!
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    veddertown wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    Then no need to be a 10c member!!


    I hate that that's the way you feel. For my 40 bucks or whatever it is I get PJ Radio which is definately worth something. I get access to these forums with other awesome PJ fans which is definately worth something. I get a Christmas single which is worth something. I get a newsletter which is worth something...see what I'm getting at. 40 bucks a year is a couple of cases of beer. Let the powers that be explore what went wrong this time. Pushing their buttons and calling for people's heads isn't going to change what happened already.
    Yeah, very good. For $50 international fee you do get a download file of a show, good enough I guess. Deep mags and vinyls are really a matter of taste and most of us don't even have a record player. The analog t-shirt is a pretty poor effort, who would know what it even means to look at it? I love the forums for sure but most people want a chance to get priviledge tickets for being a paid member of this fanclub and to see the whites of the band's eyes, not be stuck next to the ceiling! $50 also gets you a chance to get loads of overpriced merch if you're quick/wealthy enough to get funds for and if you happen to take a holiday you probably woldn't know about it anyway unless you're bosom buddies with Santos on Facebook. The powers that be are running out of excuses so fast that they are hiding behind a shield until they can come up with an answer ridiculous enough that someone might actually believe it. I don't think calling for heads is fully justified but in other walks of life you wouldn't get away with with some of the incompetence we see here. We have a right to push their buttons, it's called consumers rights. We have a product description of the membership privileges in the goods section but when the most important aspect of that goes unfulfilled time after time do we just sit around and accept that maybe this fanclub is very poorly managed in comparison with many other bands organizations or do we put our freedom of speech to use and try to vent our feelings and deliver what we believe the solutions are to the problems. Too many people defend 10c for reasons only known to them but if you were to buy a boot with a song missing you'd be the first to start a Song X Missing From Show X WTF!!!!! thread or try to blame 10c because your mailman is a disrespectful asshole. Nothing gets explained properly by the people whose wages you are paying! We are effectively shareholders surely? I love Pearl Jam, the music, boots, shows etc and these forums have brought me much joy and new friendships and I'll continue to pay my fees. It doesn't mean I have to pretend that it's good value for money and entering a pre-sale in several hours with every other Tom, Dick or Harry makes me feel like a bit of a mug to be honest... :roll:

    OMG you just annihilated it!! nice post!

    I also hate how they don't embrace technology, there isn't even a Pearl Jam Facebook page to keep us updated, that shit is so friggin easy..Should look at Metallica and others.
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