MT Consensus: Ron Paul

polaris_x

Nevermind90 wrote:

I'll feel so bad for all the americans who did vote for Paul but for those who didnt, just fuck why Santorum and Romney?? whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????? O,O

America really going the road for another time? the same damnnn loooooong painfull road???...

The peace is just right infront of the american people and they fucking vote for Santorum & another obama? WTFFFFFFFFFFFF....

america has a very weak democracy ... many people are apathetic and disengaged ... they are easily indoctrinated ... just the way the establishment wants them ...

anyhoo - having said that ... it's just iowa here ... shouldn't read too much into last night's results outside of Romney is the leading candidate ... always has been ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

Nevermind90 wrote:

I'll feel so bad for all the americans who did vote for Paul but for those who didnt, just fuck why Santorum and Romney?? whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????? O,O

America really going the road for another time? the same damnnn loooooong painfull road???...

The peace is just right infront of the american people and they fucking vote for Santorum & another obama? WTFFFFFFFFFFFF....

america has a very weak democracy ... many people are apathetic and disengaged ... they are easily indoctrinated ... just the way the establishment wants them ...

anyhoo - having said that ... it's just iowa here ... shouldn't read too much into last night's results outside of Romney is the leading candidate ... always has been ...

Easily indoctrinated?

You canadians are so superior it's hilarious. You know everything about the USA.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Nevermind90 wrote:

I'll feel so bad for all the americans who did vote for Paul but for those who didnt, just fuck why Santorum and Romney?? whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????? O,O

America really going the road for another time? the same damnnn loooooong painfull road???...

The peace is just right infront of the american people and they fucking vote for Santorum & another obama? WTFFFFFFFFFFFF....

america has a very weak democracy ... many people are apathetic and disengaged ... they are easily indoctrinated ... just the way the establishment wants them ...

anyhoo - having said that ... it's just iowa here ... shouldn't read too much into last night's results outside of Romney is the leading candidate ... always has been ...

Easily indoctrinated?

You canadians are so superior it's hilarious. You know everything about the USA.

Have you been there? They are superior.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Easily indoctrinated?

You canadians are so superior it's hilarious. You know everything about the USA.

like i've been saying all these years ... you guys get so bent out of shape and defensive - you don't see what is so evident in front of your eyes ...

although i'm confused as to how you can gripe about all canadians based on my comment or a few people on this board ...

Godfather.

I've been to canada quite a few times to many places and the only differance between US citizens and canadian citizens is that half the ones I met wanted to be citizens of the United States of America, not knocking anybody but the only Americans I know that wanted to be canadians were draft dodgers and criminals serious, we are all the same and want the same things out of life it's our government that throws a wrench into the works......did I say that out loud..


Godfather.

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

Have you been there? They are superior.

Not in their beer prices. A case of Kokanee was $36 and you get shorted a beer since bottles are 11.5 ounces.

Also, somewhere around the 43rd parallel I've found that you start travelling back in time the further north you go. This is applicable to American towns as well. For instance, Superior, WI is currently in the year 1971. I've been to Canadian towns where the guy running the filling pump didn't know their are different octanes of gasoline ... they must have not existed in the 1950's.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

Not in their beer prices. A case of Kokanee was $36 and you get shorted a beer since bottles are 11.5 ounces.

Also, somewhere around the 43rd parallel I've found that you start travelling back in time the further north you go. This is applicable to American towns as well. For instance, Superior, WI is currently in the year 1971. I've been to Canadian towns where the guy running the filling pump didn't know their are different octanes of gasoline ... they must have not existed in the 1950's.

but we make it up in alcohol content!

brandon10

CH156378 wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

The fact that Santorum could win any state just shows how fucked up the United States is. Religious nutjobs winning elections...Kind of reminds me of Iran. That's all America really is, a western civilization Iran. Just wrapped up in a prettier package.

Really? That bad huh?

My statement really isn't that crazy. Both countries have some progressive thinkers that want to move this world closer to a peaceful one where everyone minds their own business. But both countries have religious leaders running their governments pushing us towards more war.

How do you think it looks to Iranians and others around the world when a candidate flat out says he wants to bomb Iran and then nearly wins a states vote to be leader of one of the two main parties in the US??? Can you imagine the uproar in the US if an Iranian leader was calling for the bombing of the United States??

Progressive thinking peaceful minded Americans need to take the country back from from the religious nutjobs. But sadly that is tough to do when the evangelicals are so fanatical and get so involved in the decision making.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

although i'm confused as to how you can gripe about all canadians based on my comment or a few people on this board ...

This is a good point. Taken.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers wrote:

Have you been there? They are superior.

Yep, I've been there. Not very many places, but some nice ones like Toronto. I had to step over homeless people at each crosswalk.

Go Beavers

cincybearcat wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Have you been there? They are superior.

Yep, I've been there. Not very many places, but some nice ones like Toronto. I had to step over homeless people at each crosswalk.

Are you saying homelessness is a larger problem there than in the U.S.?

blueandwhite

Godfather. wrote:

I've been to canada quite a few times to many places and the only differance between US citizens and canadian citizens is that half the ones I met wanted to be citizens of the United States of America, not knocking anybody but the only Americans I know that wanted to be canadians were draft dodgers and criminals serious, we are all the same and want the same things out of life it's our government that throws a wrench into the works......did I say that out loud..


Godfather.

You must have been to the wrong part of Canada.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Have you been there? They are superior.

Yep, I've been there. Not very many places, but some nice ones like Toronto. I had to step over homeless people at each crosswalk.

Are you saying homelessness is a larger problem there than in the U.S.?

Nope, I said while I was in Toronto I literally had to step over or around homeless on many crosswalks...each was not accurate. Just a true story.

RW81233

inlet13 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

This is my point when repeatedly bringing this stuff up. I have said before he makes some sense with his policy, but the dude is going to implement policies at home that are infused with racism and homophobia (see: his voting record that demonstrates that he's pretty regressive when it comes to various public policies).

I'd simply ask you this question:

What policies would he implement that are "racist" or "homophobic"? I know of no such policies. In fact, I think one could easily could the current President is much more "racist" and/or "homophobic". For example, look at how the African American unemployment rate skyrocketed under this President. Were they pro-black policies? The data says "nope"... they were anything but "pro-black".

Do I think Obama is racist because his policies resulted in horrible trends in African American unemployment? No, I don't. But, my point is there's more data to back up Obama's policies being racist than Ron Paul's. Yet, neither are racist in my opinion. It's simply they have different views on what works and what doesn't.

To me, the people who are racist are the people who continue to focus on the race issue over and over. That seems to be done by one individual over and over in this thread, not naming names or anything, but it does seem to be the sole focus one person....

Any policy he has that panders to the "free market" whereby that market has been dictated and pushed by straight, rich, white, men's interests (which is essentially his whole economic policy) is inherently racist. On its surface they seem "fair", but you're giving centuries of unfairness and those that benefit a HUGE head start on anyone else who wants to enter the free market. People who look at the small shifts that have benefitted minorities over the last 40 years for better and worse, and for progress and regress and say "all right we've done enough let's play on the free market" are not looking at the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that this is a fallacy. Continuing down this road with a populace that is dominated by rich white men's interests, beliefs and so on will lead to greater inequality. Yes, one who believes in this threads namesakes' hopes, can hide behind the suggestion that his policy's are "fair" but that has no relation to reality.

inlet13

RW81233 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

This is my point when repeatedly bringing this stuff up. I have said before he makes some sense with his policy, but the dude is going to implement policies at home that are infused with racism and homophobia (see: his voting record that demonstrates that he's pretty regressive when it comes to various public policies).

I'd simply ask you this question:

What policies would he implement that are "racist" or "homophobic"? I know of no such policies. In fact, I think one could easily could the current President is much more "racist" and/or "homophobic". For example, look at how the African American unemployment rate skyrocketed under this President. Were they pro-black policies? The data says "nope"... they were anything but "pro-black".

Do I think Obama is racist because his policies resulted in horrible trends in African American unemployment? No, I don't. But, my point is there's more data to back up Obama's policies being racist than Ron Paul's. Yet, neither are racist in my opinion. It's simply they have different views on what works and what doesn't.

To me, the people who are racist are the people who continue to focus on the race issue over and over. That seems to be done by one individual over and over in this thread, not naming names or anything, but it does seem to be the sole focus one person....

Any policy he has that panders to the "free market" whereby that market has been dictated and pushed by straight, rich, white, men's interests (which is essentially his whole economic policy) is inherently racist. On its surface they seem "fair", but you're giving centuries of unfairness and those that benefit a HUGE head start on anyone else who wants to enter the free market. People who look at the small shifts that have benefitted minorities over the last 40 years for better and worse, and for progress and regress and say "all right we've done enough let's play on the free market" are not looking at the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that this is a fallacy. Continuing down this road with a populace that is dominated by rich white men's interests, beliefs and so on will lead to greater inequality. Yes, one who believes in this threads namesakes' hopes, can hide behind the suggestion that his policy's are "fair" but that has no relation to reality.

Have you ever heard the term "reverse-racism"? Do you think the policies you support fit the bill? If so, why or why not?

usamamasan1

http://www.39online.com/newsfix/kiah-ne ... 9629.story

dignin

Godfather. wrote:

I've been to canada quite a few times to many places and the only differance between US citizens and canadian citizens is that half the ones I met wanted to be citizens of the United States of America, not knocking anybody but the only Americans I know that wanted to be canadians were draft dodgers and criminals serious, we are all the same and want the same things out of life it's our government that throws a wrench into the works......did I say that out loud..


Godfather.

I am a Canadian and have lived here all my life and have not yet met any Canadian who wants to be an American. Not one. You are embarassing yourself by talking about something you clearly understand so little about. We are not the same. We have alot of similarities but also alot of differences.

UpSideDown

dignin wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I've been to canada quite a few times to many places and the only differance between US citizens and canadian citizens is that half the ones I met wanted to be citizens of the United States of America, not knocking anybody but the only Americans I know that wanted to be canadians were draft dodgers and criminals serious, we are all the same and want the same things out of life it's our government that throws a wrench into the works......did I say that out loud..


Godfather.

I am a Canadian and have lived here all my life and have not yet met any Canadian who wants to be an American. Not one. You are embarassing yourself by talking about something you clearly understand so little about. We are not the same. We have alot of similarities but also alot of differences.

Suggestion:

Everybody stop making ignorant, blanket declarations about other countries' attitudes. It goes both ways -
Americans - stop saying stupid shit about Canada
Canadians - stop saying stupid shit about America

Can we move on now?

I've seen this cock competition derail several threads in the past week alone, it is getting old.

polaris_x

dignin wrote:

I am a Canadian and have lived here all my life and have not yet met any Canadian who wants to be an American. Not one. You are embarassing yourself by talking about something you clearly understand so little about. We are not the same. We have alot of similarities but also alot of differences.

i think we need to move past this canada vs. US thing ... i've never once said Canada is superior to the States ... comparing the two places doesn't really serve any purpose ...

the issue here really is that for some people - there first reaction to any criticism is to get defensive and start spewing off ... any kind of objectivity and one can see america is fucked up ... and that there needs to be real change ... none of this flip flopping between two sides of the same coin stuff that so many people get hung up on ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

dignin wrote:

I am a Canadian and have lived here all my life and have not yet met any Canadian who wants to be an American. Not one. You are embarassing yourself by talking about something you clearly understand so little about. We are not the same. We have alot of similarities but also alot of differences.

i think we need to move past this canada vs. US thing ... i've never once said Canada is superior to the States ... comparing the two places doesn't really serve any purpose ...

the issue here really is that for some people - there first reaction to any criticism is to get defensive and start spewing off ... any kind of objectivity and one can see america is fucked up ... and that there needs to be real change ... none of this flip flopping between two sides of the same coin stuff that so many people get hung up on ...

There is definitely a lot wrong with a lot of countries, including the USA.

Condescending posts being one of them.