Iran captures US Drone

catefrances

usamamasan1 wrote:

When the blasting happens, before the elections, I will not say I told you so....
Kidding. I will totally say that!



The United States could lose its role as the “main player” in the Middle East if Washington fails to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, according to a special envoy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“The leaders in the Middle East look very carefully [to see] whether the United States is intent and serious about maintaining its position as the main player in the area or whether it’s going to give that up to someone like Iran, and that will depend on whether America is successful in stopping the Iranian nuclear effort,”
If Iran builds a nuclear bomb, “people in the area … will say, ‘We can’t rely [on the United States] and maybe we should shore up our position with the Iranians,” Zalman Shoval warned.



Israel SHOULD launch airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities

The axis of evil must know we are locked and loaded. If sanctions don't work (won't) it's time to destroy/delay the facilities and those involved in creating nukes. N Korea too. They will just black market some shit to Syria and then what?

It's just a matter if time. It's gonna happen. I just want freedom and democracy to last as long as possible.

the problem with nuclear attacks is the fallout doesnt stay within the confines of an imaginary border. it gets on the wind and could end up anywhere.. including floating over those who launched the attack. it also ends up in the water and in the food irradiating too many people than im comfortable with(which is zero). as well as causing malformations in both animal and humans. radiation fallout does not discriminate... it doesnt matter if youre a supposed terrorist or an 8 year old child.

Cosmo

usamamasan1 wrote:

The United States could lose its role as the “main player” in the Middle East if Washington fails to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, according to a special envoy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“The leaders in the Middle East look very carefully [to see] whether the United States is intent and serious about maintaining its position as the main player in the area or whether it’s going to give that up to someone like Iran, and that will depend on whether America is successful in stopping the Iranian nuclear effort,”
If Iran builds a nuclear bomb, “people in the area … will say, ‘We can’t rely [on the United States] and maybe we should shore up our position with the Iranians,” Zalman Shoval warned.

Israel SHOULD launch airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities

The axis of evil must know we are locked and loaded. If sanctions don't work (won't) it's time to destroy/delay the facilities and those involved in creating nukes. N Korea too. They will just black market some shit to Syria and then what?
It's just a matter if time. It's gonna happen. I just want freedom and democracy to last as long as possible.

...
Question: WHY should America be a 'Main Player' in the Middle East? Would you be okay if Israel was a 'Main Player' over here? What has meddling in Middle Eastern affairs gotten us?
And... If Israel is threatening a first strike attack against Iran... and Iran knows it... then, isn't it okay for Iran to defend itself by launching a first strike against Israel's threat of a first strike?

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

I am promoting a preemtive attack on a country that is trying to get nukes and will probably try to "wipe Israel off the face of the map" and ally of my country...If you call that violence, fine with me. If current political beliefs are not welcome on this forum, ban me.

Ahmadinejad didn't say the Iranians wanted to wipe Israel off the map. That's just a convenient fantasy that you choose to harbour because it adds fuel to your hateful promotion of violence against the Iranians. It's a fantasy concocted by the U.S media that has no basis in reality. But then you know that already don't you, because it's already been explained here on the AMT on countless occasions, yet you choose to ignore the facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ah ... and_Israel

Translation controversy

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]

'Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.'

Clarifying comments

At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[26] "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.[27][28]

Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.[27]

In a September 2008 interview Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?" He replied:

'If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.'

usamamasan1 wrote:

Iran and what we are going to do about them.....

Last week....

Gingrich told Wolf Blitzer that if the Israelis were to call and notify him about an imminent military strike, his first response would be: “How can we help you?” He continued:

An Iranian nuclear weapon is potentially a second holocaust. Israel is a very urban country. Two or three nuclear weapons wipes out most of the Jews who live in Israel. I believe Ahmadinejad would do it in a [inaudible]. When you have people put on body suits to walk into a crowded mall to blow themselves up, you better believe they put on a nuclear weapon. So, I think the world needs to understand, Iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon. All the world can decide is whether they help us peacefully stop it or they force us to use violence, but Iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon.

If any Iranians happen to post here, or just read this board, then I'm pretty sure they'd be pretty offended at your calling for them to be bombed. But then, as far as you're concerned, they're not real people, right? Just some dark mass of humanity out in the Middle East somewhere. A people and culture of whom you know absolutely nothing.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

This isn't about me, discuss the topic. please read posting guidelines.

It is about you as soon as you start calling for war and for people to be bombed. Don't think you can come on here and promote racism and violence and then hide behind the moderators. The moderators won't tolerate this shit either.

If you really want to sing this tune then maybe you'd be better off on Ted Nugents forum. The Pearl Jam message board is not the place for it.

pjl44

usamamasan1 wrote:

some terrorist would just put it in his trunk. this is how it goes down and it's not pretty.

Great point. There is a long and storied history of dirty nuclear bombs. And by "long and storied history," I mean that it's never happened.

usamamasan1

Funny.
Again, stop with the personal attacks. I don't want innocent people to ever get hurt and I have never advocated that. You just get all spun up. Not my fault.
I have said it before, terrorists and sponsors of terror hide behind unknowing and unwilling innocent civilians. It is cowardly and that is why innocent people get hurt. I am so sorry you can't see that.
I have not once advocated racism or unnecessary violence against innocent people. I speak of attacking a countries nuclear ambitions which I truly believe to not be for "energy". I also believe these state sponsors of terror (irans gov) hide their bomb making under places of worship and in urban areas. Again, cowardly acts. I will not be scared away by your hatred of Israel or USA influence, democracy or strength.

You harbor so much anger. But, this isn't about you or me is it? Read the posting guidelines and be nice. The view from the high road is very beautiful, especially if you open your mind.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Funny.
Again, stop with the personal attacks. I don't want innocent people to ever get hurt and I have never advocated that. You just get all spun up. Not my fault.

No, of course you don't:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Me, I say we blast Iran so they can't get nukes soon. They will get em someday, just blast em back for another decade or so.

The U.S blasted Iraq between 2003 and 2012. How many civilians have been killed? An estimated 1 million.

usamamasan1 wrote:

I have said it before, terrorists and sponsors of terror hide behind unknowing and unwilling innocent civilians. It is cowardly and that is why innocent people get hurt. I am so sorry you can't see that.

What's your definition of terrorism?
And as for any terrorists hiding behind innocent civilians, where's your evidence for that?
Or are you just making it up as you go?

usamamasan1 wrote:

I have not once advocated racism or unnecessary violence against innocent people. I speak of attacking a countries nuclear ambitions which I truly believe to not be for "energy". I also believe these state sponsors of terror (irans gov) hide their bomb making under places of worship and in urban areas.

Where's your evidence?

usamamasan1 wrote:

You harbor so much anger. But, this isn't about you or me is it? Read the posting guidelines and be nice. The view from the high road is very beautiful, especially if you open your mind.

I harbour anger for armchair warriors who call for innocent people to be bombed from the comfort of their homes but who are too cowardly to place themselves in the line of fire. I don't like racists, bigots, or warmongers.

ONCE DEVIDED

catefrances wrote:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

I should make it clear I hope nothing happen to isreal. I also hope nothing happens to iran.
Iran has the right to use nuclear power like any other nation.
if isreal wants a nuclear free middle east it should lead by example .

you had me in agreeance right up until this:

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

God gave isreal to the jews. me thinks god would be pissed off that your not sharing it

whys that. Do you think isreal shouldnt share . or you dont beleive god gave it to them.

not being a smartarse just trying to get an idea of what you disagree with

ONCE DEVIDED

usamamasan1 wrote:

some terrorist would just put it in his trunk. this is how it goes down and it's not pretty.

and one wonders if a van parked across the river will have mossad agents dancing on it like last time.

now its not the state of iran but a terrorist from iran. geez any angle your not trying to justify murder with ???

usamamasan1

A state sponsored terrorist from Iran. Keep up or fall behind. No sleeping in class and please, take that gum out of your mouth.
Never have I spoke of murder. You can't spin me. I speak of stopping a state sponsor of terror from getting nukes. That's all.
A country who wants to destroy Israel, my countries friend and ally. great countries of freedom, free markets and opportunity. You should do some research and join in democracy and freedom for all!

pjl44

usamamasan1 wrote:

Never have I spoke of murder. You can't spin me.

Your second post said to "blast them" for the next decade or so. Errrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

A state sponsored terrorist from Iran. Keep up or fall behind. No sleeping in class and please, take that gum out of your mouth.

I asked you to give us your definition of 'terrorism'. Why have you avoided answering my question?

usamamasan1 wrote:

Never have I spoke of murder. You can't spin me.

Nah, of course we can't:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Me, I say we blast Iran so they can't get nukes soon. They will get em someday, just blast em back for another decade or so.

usamamasan1 wrote:

Time to blast them.

BAAM!

usamamasan1 wrote:

Iran hooks up terrorists. Simple, they must be thwarted. GW was spot on. axis of evil.

"when was the last time Iran started a war".

Blast them I say.

usamamasan1 wrote:

I still say we drop some bombs on these motherfuckers! Got to show them not to fuck with us.

WOOT!

usamamasan1 wrote:

Blast the fuckers and then again and again.

usamamasan1 wrote:

Like I said in another thread about Israel premptivly striking these sponsors of terror. BLAST THEM already.

:problem:

usamamasan1 wrote:

A country who wants to destroy Israel, my countries friend and ally.

I've already provided proof that Iran has made no call to destroy Israel. The fact that you've chosen to ignore the evidence and continue to spout this bullshit makes you a troll, pure and simple.

Please read the posting guidelines and stop trolling and baiting.

catefrances

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

whys that. Do you think isreal shouldnt share . or you dont beleive god gave it to them.

not being a smartarse just trying to get an idea of what you disagree with

the God part.

usamamasan1

My belief and probably that of a couple hundred million Anericans alone is that IraN should not have a nuclear weapon is not trolling or baiting
When I say blast them, it is clear by the context that I mean to blast those people making these weapons. It is clear by my context that I mean to blast the compounds, structures, resources, that facilitate the creation of nukes.
Please, read from context.
Baiting and trolling from my perspective seems to be from YOUR hatred of power, strength and democracy.
It's cool though, I don't have high expectations from you.

Let's be clear, so you do not continue to be confused....

Iran iS trying to get nukes

This is not good

The USA will not accept a nuclear Iran

If diplomacy continues to not persuade them, we must resort to military action

It is of my opinion and that of hundreds of millions that time is running out

So

When I say blast them I don't mean blast innocent humans. I mean blast those people who are trying to get nukes, those state sponsors of terror who are trying to get nukes.

Innocent people should not get hurt but, probably will because the evil doers by design, use innocent people as shields

It sucks.

Sorry you don't get it
But I don't expect you to. You harbor much hatred towards the USA and Israel.

Again, please discuss the topic. Your personal attacks and assumptions are not appropriate for this forum.

Btw, we are already at war with Iran and blasting. You just have yet to read about it on Wikipedia or the guardian. You have to read "into" it to know what's going on right now. I do not expect that level of recognition though...

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

My belief and probably that of a couple hundred million Anericans alone is that IraN should not have a nuclear weapon is not trolling or baiting chinaman.
When I say blast them, it is clear by the context that I mean to blast those people making these weapons. It is clear by my context that I mean to blast the compounds, structures, resources, that facilitate the creation of nukes.

No it isn't.

'Blast the motherfuckers' has no context. You're calling for Iran to be bombed. Don't try and pretend that you wish Iran to be bombed and yet expect that no civilians will die. That's just bullshit, and you're fooling no-one.

usamamasan1 wrote:

Baiting and trolling from my perspective seems to be from your hatred of power, strength and democracy.

Power, strength and democracy? Is that how you describe the U.S?

I would say the opposite is true. That those countries whose first recourse is always to violence and war are fundamentally weak. Waging war doesn't constitute strength. It constitutes weakness and stupidity.

The U.S has been the most hated country in the World for a long time now. Is that something to be proud of? You're currently engaged in two wars of occupation and stand alone in bankrolling Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign against the Palestinians. Is this what you think American's should be proud of? Do you not think America can be better than this? Do you think that for American's to be respected or to have self-respect, that they have to wage constant wars abroad?
There are a lot of things Americans can be proud of, but supporting war mongers and violence isn't one of them.

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Let's be clear, so you do not continue to be confused....

Iran iS trying to get nukes

Based on what evidence?

The same sort of 'evidence' that you no doubt swallowed in the run up to the invasion of Iraq?

usamamasan1 wrote:

When I say blast them I don't mean blast innocent humans. I mean blast those people who are trying to get nukes, those state sponsors of terror who are trying to get nukes.

Innocent people should not get hurt but, probably will because the evil doers by design, use innocent people as shields

It sucks.

It sucks, yet you're frothing at the mouth to see it happen. And your lame justifications don't wash with me. Iran hasn't attacked America. Iran hasn't threatened to attack America. It also hasn't threatened to attack your proxy, Israel. Yet you come on here cheering for the 'motherfuckers' to be blasted.

Not cool. Preaching racism and violence on this message board is not cool.

You desperately want to see U.S soldiers sent off to another war from the comfort of your armchair to maim and kill and risk being maimed and killed in return.
Why is that? Is there nothing very interesting on t.v these days? Do you really need another war to sit and gloat over to feel good about yourself?

Have you ever thought of maybe getting out more? How about a hobby? Fishing, or hiking, for example?
Then again, if you really are feeling so bored and irritable, and harbour so much hatred for foreign, brown-skinned people, then you could always enlist in the army. I'm sure they'd love to have you. Why not pick up the phone and give them a call?

usamamasan1

Please. Again, discuss the topic. You spin in circles like a dog chasing her tail. I do not want innocent civilians to have anything other than freedom.
If you do not stop with your hate and bile, you will be reported to the mods. Enough is enough.
Please discuss the topic and ease your Hatred

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Please. Again, discuss the topic. You spin in circles like a dog chasing her tail. I do not want innocent civilians to have anything other than freedom.
If you do not stop with your hate and bile, you will be reported to the mods. Enough is enough.
Please discuss the topic and ease your Hatred

:yawn:

usamamasan1

Cute emoticon. That's what I thought.

Back on topic.

I think Obama should have taken one of his multiple options to destroy the downed drone so it did not get in enemy hands. Either have an air strike or commandos do it. He chose not to because he thought that might be perceived as an "act of war" but, like I said, we are already at war...most people just don't know it yet.

So, big mistake on obamas part NOT immediately destroying our sensitive drone that we as USA folks paid for.

Oh well, what do you expect from a President who apologizes for America being awesome....

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Cute emoticon

Thanks. You're not so bad yourself, sweetcheeks.





























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