When the blasting happens, before the elections, I will not say I told you so....
Kidding. I will totally say that!
The United States could lose its role as the “main player” in the Middle East if Washington fails to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, according to a special envoy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“The leaders in the Middle East look very carefully [to see] whether the United States is intent and serious about maintaining its position as the main player in the area or whether it’s going to give that up to someone like Iran, and that will depend on whether America is successful in stopping the Iranian nuclear effort,”
If Iran builds a nuclear bomb, “people in the area … will say, ‘We can’t rely [on the United States] and maybe we should shore up our position with the Iranians,” Zalman Shoval warned.
Israel SHOULD launch airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities
The axis of evil must know we are locked and loaded. If sanctions don't work (won't) it's time to destroy/delay the facilities and those involved in creating nukes. N Korea too. They will just black market some shit to Syria and then what?
It's just a matter if time. It's gonna happen. I just want freedom and democracy to last as long as possible.
the problem with nuclear attacks is the fallout doesnt stay within the confines of an imaginary border. it gets on the wind and could end up anywhere.. including floating over those who launched the attack. it also ends up in the water and in the food irradiating too many people than im comfortable with(which is zero). as well as causing malformations in both animal and humans. radiation fallout does not discriminate... it doesnt matter if youre a supposed terrorist or an 8 year old child.
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The United States could lose its role as the “main player” in the Middle East if Washington fails to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, according to a special envoy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“The leaders in the Middle East look very carefully [to see] whether the United States is intent and serious about maintaining its position as the main player in the area or whether it’s going to give that up to someone like Iran, and that will depend on whether America is successful in stopping the Iranian nuclear effort,”
If Iran builds a nuclear bomb, “people in the area … will say, ‘We can’t rely [on the United States] and maybe we should shore up our position with the Iranians,” Zalman Shoval warned.
Israel SHOULD launch airstrikes against Iranian nuclear facilities
The axis of evil must know we are locked and loaded. If sanctions don't work (won't) it's time to destroy/delay the facilities and those involved in creating nukes. N Korea too. They will just black market some shit to Syria and then what?
It's just a matter if time. It's gonna happen. I just want freedom and democracy to last as long as possible.
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Question: WHY should America be a 'Main Player' in the Middle East? Would you be okay if Israel was a 'Main Player' over here? What has meddling in Middle Eastern affairs gotten us?
And... If Israel is threatening a first strike attack against Iran... and Iran knows it... then, isn't it okay for Iran to defend itself by launching a first strike against Israel's threat of a first strike?
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Hail, Hail!!!
I am promoting a preemtive attack on a country that is trying to get nukes and will probably try to "wipe Israel off the face of the map" and ally of my country...If you call that violence, fine with me. If current political beliefs are not welcome on this forum, ban me.
Ahmadinejad didn't say the Iranians wanted to wipe Israel off the map. That's just a convenient fantasy that you choose to harbour because it adds fuel to your hateful promotion of violence against the Iranians. It's a fantasy concocted by the U.S media that has no basis in reality. But then you know that already don't you, because it's already been explained here on the AMT on countless occasions, yet you choose to ignore the facts.
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]
Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]
The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]
Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]
Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]
'Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.'
Clarifying comments
At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[26] "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.[27][28]
Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.[27]
In a September 2008 interview Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?" He replied:
'If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.'
Gingrich told Wolf Blitzer that if the Israelis were to call and notify him about an imminent military strike, his first response would be: “How can we help you?” He continued:
An Iranian nuclear weapon is potentially a second holocaust. Israel is a very urban country. Two or three nuclear weapons wipes out most of the Jews who live in Israel. I believe Ahmadinejad would do it in a [inaudible]. When you have people put on body suits to walk into a crowded mall to blow themselves up, you better believe they put on a nuclear weapon. So, I think the world needs to understand, Iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon. All the world can decide is whether they help us peacefully stop it or they force us to use violence, but Iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon.
If any Iranians happen to post here, or just read this board, then I'm pretty sure they'd be pretty offended at your calling for them to be bombed. But then, as far as you're concerned, they're not real people, right? Just some dark mass of humanity out in the Middle East somewhere. A people and culture of whom you know absolutely nothing.
This isn't about me, discuss the topic. please read posting guidelines.
It is about you as soon as you start calling for war and for people to be bombed. Don't think you can come on here and promote racism and violence and then hide behind the moderators. The moderators won't tolerate this shit either.
If you really want to sing this tune then maybe you'd be better off on Ted Nugents forum. The Pearl Jam message board is not the place for it.
Funny.
Again, stop with the personal attacks. I don't want innocent people to ever get hurt and I have never advocated that. You just get all spun up. Not my fault.
I have said it before, terrorists and sponsors of terror hide behind unknowing and unwilling innocent civilians. It is cowardly and that is why innocent people get hurt. I am so sorry you can't see that.
I have not once advocated racism or unnecessary violence against innocent people. I speak of attacking a countries nuclear ambitions which I truly believe to not be for "energy". I also believe these state sponsors of terror (irans gov) hide their bomb making under places of worship and in urban areas. Again, cowardly acts. I will not be scared away by your hatred of Israel or USA influence, democracy or strength.
You harbor so much anger. But, this isn't about you or me is it? Read the posting guidelines and be nice. The view from the high road is very beautiful, especially if you open your mind.
Funny.
Again, stop with the personal attacks. I don't want innocent people to ever get hurt and I have never advocated that. You just get all spun up. Not my fault.
I have said it before, terrorists and sponsors of terror hide behind unknowing and unwilling innocent civilians. It is cowardly and that is why innocent people get hurt. I am so sorry you can't see that.
What's your definition of terrorism?
And as for any terrorists hiding behind innocent civilians, where's your evidence for that?
Or are you just making it up as you go?
I have not once advocated racism or unnecessary violence against innocent people. I speak of attacking a countries nuclear ambitions which I truly believe to not be for "energy". I also believe these state sponsors of terror (irans gov) hide their bomb making under places of worship and in urban areas.
You harbor so much anger. But, this isn't about you or me is it? Read the posting guidelines and be nice. The view from the high road is very beautiful, especially if you open your mind.
I harbour anger for armchair warriors who call for innocent people to be bombed from the comfort of their homes but who are too cowardly to place themselves in the line of fire. I don't like racists, bigots, or warmongers.
I should make it clear I hope nothing happen to isreal. I also hope nothing happens to iran.
Iran has the right to use nuclear power like any other nation.
if isreal wants a nuclear free middle east it should lead by example .
A state sponsored terrorist from Iran. Keep up or fall behind. No sleeping in class and please, take that gum out of your mouth.
Never have I spoke of murder. You can't spin me. I speak of stopping a state sponsor of terror from getting nukes. That's all.
A country who wants to destroy Israel, my countries friend and ally. great countries of freedom, free markets and opportunity. You should do some research and join in democracy and freedom for all!
A country who wants to destroy Israel, my countries friend and ally.
I've already provided proof that Iran has made no call to destroy Israel. The fact that you've chosen to ignore the evidence and continue to spout this bullshit makes you a troll, pure and simple.
Please read the posting guidelines and stop trolling and baiting.
My belief and probably that of a couple hundred million Anericans alone is that IraN should not have a nuclear weapon is not trolling or baiting
When I say blast them, it is clear by the context that I mean to blast those people making these weapons. It is clear by my context that I mean to blast the compounds, structures, resources, that facilitate the creation of nukes.
Please, read from context.
Baiting and trolling from my perspective seems to be from YOUR hatred of power, strength and democracy.
It's cool though, I don't have high expectations from you.
Let's be clear, so you do not continue to be confused....
Iran iS trying to get nukes
This is not good
The USA will not accept a nuclear Iran
If diplomacy continues to not persuade them, we must resort to military action
It is of my opinion and that of hundreds of millions that time is running out
So
When I say blast them I don't mean blast innocent humans. I mean blast those people who are trying to get nukes, those state sponsors of terror who are trying to get nukes.
Innocent people should not get hurt but, probably will because the evil doers by design, use innocent people as shields
It sucks.
Sorry you don't get it
But I don't expect you to. You harbor much hatred towards the USA and Israel.
Again, please discuss the topic. Your personal attacks and assumptions are not appropriate for this forum.
Btw, we are already at war with Iran and blasting. You just have yet to read about it on Wikipedia or the guardian. You have to read "into" it to know what's going on right now. I do not expect that level of recognition though...
My belief and probably that of a couple hundred million Anericans alone is that IraN should not have a nuclear weapon is not trolling or baiting chinaman.
When I say blast them, it is clear by the context that I mean to blast those people making these weapons. It is clear by my context that I mean to blast the compounds, structures, resources, that facilitate the creation of nukes.
No it isn't.
'Blast the motherfuckers' has no context. You're calling for Iran to be bombed. Don't try and pretend that you wish Iran to be bombed and yet expect that no civilians will die. That's just bullshit, and you're fooling no-one.
Baiting and trolling from my perspective seems to be from your hatred of power, strength and democracy.
Power, strength and democracy? Is that how you describe the U.S?
I would say the opposite is true. That those countries whose first recourse is always to violence and war are fundamentally weak. Waging war doesn't constitute strength. It constitutes weakness and stupidity.
The U.S has been the most hated country in the World for a long time now. Is that something to be proud of? You're currently engaged in two wars of occupation and stand alone in bankrolling Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign against the Palestinians. Is this what you think American's should be proud of? Do you not think America can be better than this? Do you think that for American's to be respected or to have self-respect, that they have to wage constant wars abroad?
There are a lot of things Americans can be proud of, but supporting war mongers and violence isn't one of them.
When I say blast them I don't mean blast innocent humans. I mean blast those people who are trying to get nukes, those state sponsors of terror who are trying to get nukes.
Innocent people should not get hurt but, probably will because the evil doers by design, use innocent people as shields
It sucks.
It sucks, yet you're frothing at the mouth to see it happen. And your lame justifications don't wash with me. Iran hasn't attacked America. Iran hasn't threatened to attack America. It also hasn't threatened to attack your proxy, Israel. Yet you come on here cheering for the 'motherfuckers' to be blasted.
Not cool. Preaching racism and violence on this message board is not cool.
You desperately want to see U.S soldiers sent off to another war from the comfort of your armchair to maim and kill and risk being maimed and killed in return.
Why is that? Is there nothing very interesting on t.v these days? Do you really need another war to sit and gloat over to feel good about yourself?
Have you ever thought of maybe getting out more? How about a hobby? Fishing, or hiking, for example?
Then again, if you really are feeling so bored and irritable, and harbour so much hatred for foreign, brown-skinned people, then you could always enlist in the army. I'm sure they'd love to have you. Why not pick up the phone and give them a call?
Please. Again, discuss the topic. You spin in circles like a dog chasing her tail. I do not want innocent civilians to have anything other than freedom.
If you do not stop with your hate and bile, you will be reported to the mods. Enough is enough.
Please discuss the topic and ease your Hatred
Please. Again, discuss the topic. You spin in circles like a dog chasing her tail. I do not want innocent civilians to have anything other than freedom.
If you do not stop with your hate and bile, you will be reported to the mods. Enough is enough.
Please discuss the topic and ease your Hatred
I think Obama should have taken one of his multiple options to destroy the downed drone so it did not get in enemy hands. Either have an air strike or commandos do it. He chose not to because he thought that might be perceived as an "act of war" but, like I said, we are already at war...most people just don't know it yet.
So, big mistake on obamas part NOT immediately destroying our sensitive drone that we as USA folks paid for.
Oh well, what do you expect from a President who apologizes for America being awesome....
I think Obama should have taken one of his multiple options to destroy the downed drone so it did not get in enemy hands. Either have an air strike or commandos do it. He chose not to because he thought that might be perceived as an "act of war" but, like I said, we are already at war...most people just don't know it yet.
So, big mistake on obamas part NOT immediately destroying our sensitive drone that we as USA folks paid for.
Oh well, what do you expect from a President who apologizes for America being awesome....
I get the impression you'll only be satisfied if Dr. Strangelove becomes President.
What is the problem with Iran having Nuclear weapons?
Israel has them, Pakistan has them, India has them, Russia has them...
I think a nuclear weapon is the only truly defensive weapon out there. It is a deterrent to attack. The US need not be worried about Iran having a nuclear bomb, they should be working with them to ensure that mad men don't get them. One state will never attack another with a nuclear weapon, especially one with nuclear weapons. All we should ever do is work with people to ensure that no one gets one into the hands of terrorists who will truly try to use one(although I would contend that this won't happen either)...in the end no one wants the destruction of the earth, and that is what Nuclear weapons would bring...some in terrorist organizations blow themselves up, but the leaders do not want to die and if nuclear war started they most certainly would.
There is still evidence from Nagasaki and Hiroshima that show what a bomb can do, and I don't think any country is ready to have that done to themselves...or we can listen to terrifying Government reports about yellow cake and go to war with a country that will have a revolution soon enough.
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What is the problem with Iran having Nuclear weapons?
They have a Supreme Leader who makes decisions based on a religious ideology.
And it's not a question of a country using a nuclear weapon. It's more important on how good their security measures are and how reckless the groups are that they associate with.
What is the problem with Iran having Nuclear weapons?
They have a Supreme Leader who makes decisions based on a religious ideology.
And it's not a question of a country using a nuclear weapon. It's more important on how good their security measures are and how reckless the groups are that they associate with.
I see that, but that supreme leader does not want to die. If he wanted to be reckless they already would be. Some would argue they are, but degree of recklessness may be subjective.
I understand the fear of it, I just think that if we embraced it, worked with them on their nuclear programs, you know...like we did in 1950's...we could build a new relationship up that could possibly get rid of the tension. We need to get past telling people how to live and start working with people as they are...less tension = less worry of nuclear proliferation. As much as I don't want to see that occur, I am not afraid of Iran having them any more than I am of Pakistan, India, or Russia having them.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
They have a Supreme Leader who makes decisions based on a religious ideology.
And it's not a question of a country using a nuclear weapon. It's more important on how good their security measures are and how reckless the groups are that they associate with.
I see that, but that supreme leader does not want to die. If he wanted to be reckless they already would be. Some would argue they are, but degree of recklessness may be subjective.
I understand the fear of it, I just think that if we embraced it, worked with them on their nuclear programs, you know...like we did in 1950's...we could build a new relationship up that could possibly get rid of the tension. We need to get past telling people how to live and start working with people as they are...less tension = less worry of nuclear proliferation. As much as I don't want to see that occur, I am not afraid of Iran having them any more than I am of Pakistan, India, or Russia having them.
His fear of death depends on how strongly the Supreme Leader believes the message that he uses to control the general population. If he does fear death, then he is a liar that controls by deceit.
I'm concerned with all the countries you listed above. I'm most concerned with Russia because they have the most nukes and are run by a combination of the KGB and the mafia (that is until a NBA owner takes over :crazy: ). Pakistan poses a risk because our relationship is deteriorating and Pakistan helped the Taliban out initially. To say there are people in high ranking positions that lack sound judgement is an understatement.
And last but least, I'm in favor of complete nuclear disarming ... a pipe dream of course ... but the last thing we need is more countries joining the fray. Especially ones that celebrate "Death to America" day.
They have a Supreme Leader who makes decisions based on a religious ideology.
And it's not a question of a country using a nuclear weapon. It's more important on how good their security measures are and how reckless the groups are that they associate with.
I see that, but that supreme leader does not want to die. If he wanted to be reckless they already would be. Some would argue they are, but degree of recklessness may be subjective.
I understand the fear of it, I just think that if we embraced it, worked with them on their nuclear programs, you know...like we did in 1950's...we could build a new relationship up that could possibly get rid of the tension. We need to get past telling people how to live and start working with people as they are...less tension = less worry of nuclear proliferation. As much as I don't want to see that occur, I am not afraid of Iran having them any more than I am of Pakistan, India, or Russia having them.
His fear of death depends on how strongly the Supreme Leader believes the message that he uses to control the general population. If he does fear death, then he is a liar that controls by deceit.
I'm concerned with all the countries you listed above. I'm most concerned with Russia because they have the most nukes and are run by a combination of the KGB and the mafia (that is until a NBA owner takes over :crazy: ). Pakistan poses a risk because our relationship is deteriorating and Pakistan helped the Taliban out initially. To say there are people in high ranking positions that lack sound judgement is an understatement.
And last but least, I'm in favor of complete nuclear disarming ... a pipe dream of course ... but the last thing we need is more countries joining the fray. Especially ones that celebrate "Death to America" day.
sounds about right.
whether we all have them or none of us do...it isn't are responsibility to police the world. If we bring home our troops and use them to DEFEND our nation I dare say no one would try to attack us.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
President told Palestinians God also talked to him about Middle East peace
Ewen MacAskill
The Guardian, Thursday 6 October 2005
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America...
Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'
By Andy McSmith
Saturday 04 March 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
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the problem with nuclear attacks is the fallout doesnt stay within the confines of an imaginary border. it gets on the wind and could end up anywhere.. including floating over those who launched the attack. it also ends up in the water and in the food irradiating too many people than im comfortable with(which is zero). as well as causing malformations in both animal and humans. radiation fallout does not discriminate... it doesnt matter if youre a supposed terrorist or an 8 year old child.
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Question: WHY should America be a 'Main Player' in the Middle East? Would you be okay if Israel was a 'Main Player' over here? What has meddling in Middle Eastern affairs gotten us?
And... If Israel is threatening a first strike attack against Iran... and Iran knows it... then, isn't it okay for Iran to defend itself by launching a first strike against Israel's threat of a first strike?
Hail, Hail!!!
Ahmadinejad didn't say the Iranians wanted to wipe Israel off the map. That's just a convenient fantasy that you choose to harbour because it adds fuel to your hateful promotion of violence against the Iranians. It's a fantasy concocted by the U.S media that has no basis in reality. But then you know that already don't you, because it's already been explained here on the AMT on countless occasions, yet you choose to ignore the facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ah ... and_Israel
Translation controversy
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]
Ahmadinejad's phrase was "بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.[10]
The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]
Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."[15][16][17]
Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]
'Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation – "wipe Israel off the map" – suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can "wipe out" U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.'
Clarifying comments
At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[26] "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.[27][28]
Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.[27]
In a September 2008 interview Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?" He replied:
'If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.'
If any Iranians happen to post here, or just read this board, then I'm pretty sure they'd be pretty offended at your calling for them to be bombed. But then, as far as you're concerned, they're not real people, right? Just some dark mass of humanity out in the Middle East somewhere. A people and culture of whom you know absolutely nothing.
It is about you as soon as you start calling for war and for people to be bombed. Don't think you can come on here and promote racism and violence and then hide behind the moderators. The moderators won't tolerate this shit either.
If you really want to sing this tune then maybe you'd be better off on Ted Nugents forum. The Pearl Jam message board is not the place for it.
Great point. There is a long and storied history of dirty nuclear bombs. And by "long and storied history," I mean that it's never happened.
Again, stop with the personal attacks. I don't want innocent people to ever get hurt and I have never advocated that. You just get all spun up. Not my fault.
I have said it before, terrorists and sponsors of terror hide behind unknowing and unwilling innocent civilians. It is cowardly and that is why innocent people get hurt. I am so sorry you can't see that.
I have not once advocated racism or unnecessary violence against innocent people. I speak of attacking a countries nuclear ambitions which I truly believe to not be for "energy". I also believe these state sponsors of terror (irans gov) hide their bomb making under places of worship and in urban areas. Again, cowardly acts. I will not be scared away by your hatred of Israel or USA influence, democracy or strength.
You harbor so much anger. But, this isn't about you or me is it? Read the posting guidelines and be nice. The view from the high road is very beautiful, especially if you open your mind.
No, of course you don't:
The U.S blasted Iraq between 2003 and 2012. How many civilians have been killed? An estimated 1 million.
What's your definition of terrorism?
And as for any terrorists hiding behind innocent civilians, where's your evidence for that?
Or are you just making it up as you go?
Where's your evidence?
I harbour anger for armchair warriors who call for innocent people to be bombed from the comfort of their homes but who are too cowardly to place themselves in the line of fire. I don't like racists, bigots, or warmongers.
whys that. Do you think isreal shouldnt share . or you dont beleive god gave it to them.
not being a smartarse just trying to get an idea of what you disagree with
and one wonders if a van parked across the river will have mossad agents dancing on it like last time.
now its not the state of iran but a terrorist from iran. geez any angle your not trying to justify murder with ???
Never have I spoke of murder. You can't spin me. I speak of stopping a state sponsor of terror from getting nukes. That's all.
A country who wants to destroy Israel, my countries friend and ally. great countries of freedom, free markets and opportunity. You should do some research and join in democracy and freedom for all!
Your second post said to "blast them" for the next decade or so. Errrrrrrrrrrrrr....
I asked you to give us your definition of 'terrorism'. Why have you avoided answering my question?
Nah, of course we can't:
:problem:
I've already provided proof that Iran has made no call to destroy Israel. The fact that you've chosen to ignore the evidence and continue to spout this bullshit makes you a troll, pure and simple.
Please read the posting guidelines and stop trolling and baiting.
the God part.
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When I say blast them, it is clear by the context that I mean to blast those people making these weapons. It is clear by my context that I mean to blast the compounds, structures, resources, that facilitate the creation of nukes.
Please, read from context.
Baiting and trolling from my perspective seems to be from YOUR hatred of power, strength and democracy.
It's cool though, I don't have high expectations from you.
Let's be clear, so you do not continue to be confused....
Iran iS trying to get nukes
This is not good
The USA will not accept a nuclear Iran
If diplomacy continues to not persuade them, we must resort to military action
It is of my opinion and that of hundreds of millions that time is running out
So
When I say blast them I don't mean blast innocent humans. I mean blast those people who are trying to get nukes, those state sponsors of terror who are trying to get nukes.
Innocent people should not get hurt but, probably will because the evil doers by design, use innocent people as shields
It sucks.
Sorry you don't get it
But I don't expect you to. You harbor much hatred towards the USA and Israel.
Again, please discuss the topic. Your personal attacks and assumptions are not appropriate for this forum.
Btw, we are already at war with Iran and blasting. You just have yet to read about it on Wikipedia or the guardian. You have to read "into" it to know what's going on right now. I do not expect that level of recognition though...
No it isn't.
'Blast the motherfuckers' has no context. You're calling for Iran to be bombed. Don't try and pretend that you wish Iran to be bombed and yet expect that no civilians will die. That's just bullshit, and you're fooling no-one.
Power, strength and democracy? Is that how you describe the U.S?
I would say the opposite is true. That those countries whose first recourse is always to violence and war are fundamentally weak. Waging war doesn't constitute strength. It constitutes weakness and stupidity.
The U.S has been the most hated country in the World for a long time now. Is that something to be proud of? You're currently engaged in two wars of occupation and stand alone in bankrolling Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign against the Palestinians. Is this what you think American's should be proud of? Do you not think America can be better than this? Do you think that for American's to be respected or to have self-respect, that they have to wage constant wars abroad?
There are a lot of things Americans can be proud of, but supporting war mongers and violence isn't one of them.
Based on what evidence?
The same sort of 'evidence' that you no doubt swallowed in the run up to the invasion of Iraq?
It sucks, yet you're frothing at the mouth to see it happen. And your lame justifications don't wash with me. Iran hasn't attacked America. Iran hasn't threatened to attack America. It also hasn't threatened to attack your proxy, Israel. Yet you come on here cheering for the 'motherfuckers' to be blasted.
Not cool. Preaching racism and violence on this message board is not cool.
You desperately want to see U.S soldiers sent off to another war from the comfort of your armchair to maim and kill and risk being maimed and killed in return.
Why is that? Is there nothing very interesting on t.v these days? Do you really need another war to sit and gloat over to feel good about yourself?
Have you ever thought of maybe getting out more? How about a hobby? Fishing, or hiking, for example?
Then again, if you really are feeling so bored and irritable, and harbour so much hatred for foreign, brown-skinned people, then you could always enlist in the army. I'm sure they'd love to have you. Why not pick up the phone and give them a call?
If you do not stop with your hate and bile, you will be reported to the mods. Enough is enough.
Please discuss the topic and ease your Hatred
:yawn:
Back on topic.
I think Obama should have taken one of his multiple options to destroy the downed drone so it did not get in enemy hands. Either have an air strike or commandos do it. He chose not to because he thought that might be perceived as an "act of war" but, like I said, we are already at war...most people just don't know it yet.
So, big mistake on obamas part NOT immediately destroying our sensitive drone that we as USA folks paid for.
Oh well, what do you expect from a President who apologizes for America being awesome....
Thanks. You're not so bad yourself, sweetcheeks.
:P
Discuss the topic or move on. Trolling is not ok.
I get the impression you'll only be satisfied if Dr. Strangelove becomes President.
:shh: This one became boring a long time ago.
You'd never make it as a stand-up comic. Don't give up the day job.
Israel has them, Pakistan has them, India has them, Russia has them...
I think a nuclear weapon is the only truly defensive weapon out there. It is a deterrent to attack. The US need not be worried about Iran having a nuclear bomb, they should be working with them to ensure that mad men don't get them. One state will never attack another with a nuclear weapon, especially one with nuclear weapons. All we should ever do is work with people to ensure that no one gets one into the hands of terrorists who will truly try to use one(although I would contend that this won't happen either)...in the end no one wants the destruction of the earth, and that is what Nuclear weapons would bring...some in terrorist organizations blow themselves up, but the leaders do not want to die and if nuclear war started they most certainly would.
There is still evidence from Nagasaki and Hiroshima that show what a bomb can do, and I don't think any country is ready to have that done to themselves...or we can listen to terrifying Government reports about yellow cake and go to war with a country that will have a revolution soon enough.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
And it's not a question of a country using a nuclear weapon. It's more important on how good their security measures are and how reckless the groups are that they associate with.
I see that, but that supreme leader does not want to die. If he wanted to be reckless they already would be. Some would argue they are, but degree of recklessness may be subjective.
I understand the fear of it, I just think that if we embraced it, worked with them on their nuclear programs, you know...like we did in 1950's...we could build a new relationship up that could possibly get rid of the tension. We need to get past telling people how to live and start working with people as they are...less tension = less worry of nuclear proliferation. As much as I don't want to see that occur, I am not afraid of Iran having them any more than I am of Pakistan, India, or Russia having them.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I'm concerned with all the countries you listed above. I'm most concerned with Russia because they have the most nukes and are run by a combination of the KGB and the mafia (that is until a NBA owner takes over :crazy: ). Pakistan poses a risk because our relationship is deteriorating and Pakistan helped the Taliban out initially. To say there are people in high ranking positions that lack sound judgement is an understatement.
And last but least, I'm in favor of complete nuclear disarming ... a pipe dream of course ... but the last thing we need is more countries joining the fray. Especially ones that celebrate "Death to America" day.
sounds about right.
whether we all have them or none of us do...it isn't are responsibility to police the world. If we bring home our troops and use them to DEFEND our nation I dare say no one would try to attack us.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
President told Palestinians God also talked to him about Middle East peace
Ewen MacAskill
The Guardian, Thursday 6 October 2005
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."
Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."
Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 68512.html
Blair: 'God will be my judge on Iraq'
By Andy McSmith
Saturday 04 March 2006
Tony Blair has proclaimed that God will judge whether he was right to send British troops to Iraq, echoing statements from his ally George Bush.
Contradicting warnings from advisers not to mix politics and religion, the Prime Minister said that his interest in politics sprang from his Christianity and its "values and philosophy" had guided him in public life.
Explaining how he managed to live with the decision to go to war in Iraq, Mr Blair replied: "If you have faith about these things then you realise that judgement is made by other people. If you believe in God,it's made by God as well." His remarks, made in an interview to be shown on ITV's Parkinson show tonight, invite comparison with President Bush, a born-again Christian, who has made a virtue of bringing religion into politics. But they also carry the risk of inflaming opinion in the Arab world, where the term "crusader" is commonly used to condemn Christian leaders who meddle in the Middle East.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say