*** U2 / Pearl Jam Hawaii Fanviews Here December 9, 2006 ***

dharma69

bonowall wrote:

BAJAMAMA - or whatever der Kommaser calls herself scares me!

!!!@_@...oh no you didn't just go there...@_@!!!

Must go laugh now....

bonowall

dharma69 wrote:

!!!@_@...oh no you didn't just go there...@_@!!!

Must go laugh now....

Why, you know i'm right....that's the crazy chick who told me off - see my earlier posts about it.

You know her? You're not her are ya?

J_NP

F'n_Circus wrote:

well, with this logic, then I guess once you've seen a u2 show, you've seen them all.....

yes, I guess PJ fans are somewhat spoiled, because we DON'T get the same show all the time, we DON'T get the same songs, in the same order, in back to back shows. Some went to 3 U2 shows, in different parts of the US, and STILL received the same show.

me, I don't have a desire to see U2. not since Joshua Tree anyway........

Jesus , that was not that radical , We are only talkin bout here the US fucking shows , U2 went all over the globe on this tour ..... And to begin there was 2 very different shows , with different Stages , Indoor and Stadiums . Look at a u2 show in like Boston , then try to see anything like in Paris , except for 8 or 9 songs , Or between a show in London and São Paulo , except for songs and both being in stadiums

And Indeed this is known by all u2 fans and people who work with them , they have a problem of not changin their set too much , with such a long great catalogue they could change more ....... But for the ones interested , since someone here noticed the DVD , and starting to say U2 kept the same set , There was 10 different songs from the dvd , Now this may be almost nothing for ya ........ And also even 4 songs from the previous show in Japan , which they could the same set in Honolulu But

Ask me wouldn't PJ fans who don't receive a show for ages , wouldn't they bad if they didn't receive Alive , Black , Daughter , I Am Mine ......... U2 had not only to play the Album's tour songs , and there are songs like Streets , Pride , One , that if they aren't in the show , there is something missing about a u2 show

dharma69

bonowall wrote:

Why, you know i'm right....that's the crazy chick who told me off - see my earlier posts about it.

You know her? You're not her are ya?

Uhhhh....no, I'm not her...

Since I'm on the site I'm aware of her.

I'll have another look at your earlier post!

Garden Dogg

nevermind

DrPots

I might have an explanation for "the same U2 show over and over business"

Did anyone else notice during U2 the sound of a rhythm guitar when there was no Rhythm guitarist, or the sounds of a tambourine...when there was absolutely no tambourines on stage, or in fact the sounds of a keyboard being played...there was a keyboard on stage...but no-one near it.

Disappointing. Maybe it was just me hearing things. At least Eddie had a tambourine...well until he destroyed it again. He must get through a lot.

1Vedhead

DrPots wrote:

IAt least Eddie had a tambourine...well until he destroyed it again. He must get through a lot.

LOL, yeah, there's probably a "tambourine wrangler" on tour with them..

bonowall

DrPots wrote:

I might have an explanation for "the same U2 show over and over business"

Did anyone else notice during U2 the sound of a rhythm guitar when there was no Rhythm guitarist, or the sounds of a tambourine...when there was absolutely no tambourines on stage, or in fact the sounds of a keyboard being played...there was a keyboard on stage...but no-one near it.

Disappointing. Maybe it was just me hearing things. At least Eddie had a tambourine...well until he destroyed it again. He must get through a lot.

C'mon silly, you should know that by now....

It was U3 - they are the hidden men of musical magic!

E.K

J_NP wrote:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fQRyeFwXP5g Put in 0:38
And this was in 78

Bono sounds like Robert Smith from The Cure.

LukinTimer

dharma69 wrote:

Good point there...

Hawaii (and New Zealand and Australia and Japan) had not had their Vertigo fix because of the tour being postponed. For the masses, that was their first show. And you think they're going to change their program just because you've seen it 3 times already when some haven't even seen it once?

If you make it your business to see the same band that puts on a production the scale and the sheer magnitude of the likes of U2's show, are you really surprised that you saw the same thing? Really? It's a production. It's a production with a message. That's their gig and that was their show.

I imagine that those who were seeing it for the first time (and even those that were seeing it for the fourth) enjoyed themselves enough for those who didn't.

I totally get this and you have a good point. It is a big production and more planning has to go into it. I think since I had seen U2 twice in and around LA I just thought they would shake it up a little more. Throw in a surprise or two with it being the last show and all. I love their stuff... not a hater by any means.

Also, as 1Vedhead and F'n Circus mentioned -- we are spoiled, we never get the same show twice. It just doesn't happen. So maybe we were expecting too much with a production of that size.

And when it comes to "U2 Opens for PJ" -- well, this is a PJ site and we love our band. (-;

No harm, no foul.

And to wrap it all up, despite Der Kommesar, we met TONS of cool U2 fans. You guys know how to have a good time... we should do it again sometime!!

LukinTimer

1Vedhead wrote:

LOL, yeah, there's probably a "tambourine wrangler" on tour with them..

Heeee, hee, he. Tambourine wrangler....

FnCircus

J_NP wrote:

Ask me wouldn't PJ fans who don't receive a show for ages , wouldn't they bad if they didn't receive Alive , Black , Daughter , I Am Mine ......... U2 had not only to play the Album's tour songs , and there are songs like Streets , Pride , One , that if they aren't in the show , there is something missing about a u2 show

believe it or not, there are people on this Pit who do bitch becuse they get those songs.........

and yes, it wasn't that radical, I'm sure they differ in some ways. But i went to the U2 setlist site and when I see that the whole leg essentially had the same set of songs, but different tags.......

I'm sure U2 is a great band to some. just not to me, since Joshua Tree.......

J_NP

DrPots wrote:

I might have an explanation for "the same U2 show over and over business"

Did anyone else notice during U2 the sound of a rhythm guitar when there was no Rhythm guitarist, or the sounds of a tambourine...when there was absolutely no tambourines on stage, or in fact the sounds of a keyboard being played...there was a keyboard on stage...but no-one near it.

I might have an explanation for "this kind of comment" but I'll keep it to me

Anyway , I'm willing to give u a chance to put some sense in ur words , Care to elaborate ? Which songs this happened ? Or Don't Tell me ur head was making noises ? Coz there's a medical explanation for this ....

And Please don't tell it was on WGRY Wild Horses

J_NP

F'n_Circus wrote:

believe it or not, there are people on this Pit who do bitch becuse they get those songs.........

and yes, it wasn't that radical, I'm sure they differ in some ways. But i went to the U2 setlist site and when I see that the whole leg essentially had the same set of songs, but different tags.......

I'm sure U2 is a great band to some. just not to me, since Joshua Tree.......

But that's normal , People in U2 boards also have this kind of feeling .... I think any fans in band boards feel this way , coz they would love to get hidden gems back

But the point is , Not Fans who have like several chances of hearing these songs , but like I said , In countries where PJ only have a chance to play 1x in like 8 years , Imagine The People who never had the chance to experience live their biggest known songs or hits whatever ..... I think it would disappoint them

Pegasus

J_NP wrote:

Jesus , that was not that radical , We are only talkin bout here the US fucking shows , U2 went all over the globe on this tour ..... And to begin there was 2 very different shows , with different Stages , Indoor and Stadiums . Look at a u2 show in like Boston , then try to see anything like in Paris , except for 8 or 9 songs , Or between a show in London and São Paulo , except for songs and both being in stadiums

And Indeed this is known by all u2 fans and people who work with them , they have a problem of not changin their set too much , with such a long great catalogue they could change more ....... But for the ones interested , since someone here noticed the DVD , and starting to say U2 kept the same set , There was 10 different songs from the dvd , Now this may be almost nothing for ya ........ And also even 4 songs from the previous show in Japan , which they could the same set in Honolulu But

Ask me wouldn't PJ fans who don't receive a show for ages , wouldn't they bad if they didn't receive Alive , Black , Daughter , I Am Mine ......... U2 had not only to play the Album's tour songs , and there are songs like Streets , Pride , One , that if they aren't in the show , there is something missing about a u2 show

U2 Pacific leg: 13 shows, 33 songs (and they opened EVERY show with the same song)
PJ Pacific leg: 15 shows (counting the secret one and the U2 opening), 99 songs!

Whole Vertigo U2 tour: 133 shows, 60 songs...(60! :eek: I saw more in the 16 European PJ shows I attended! and I wasn't even in Marseille :()
Whole PJ tour: no final figure but 85 shows and even before pacific, 140+ different songs

and that's before we even talk about the order or the variety and spontaneity of stage antics!

now I think it comes down to what you want from a rock show:
Music and raw emotions or a Spectacle.

For my parts, I take my spectacles at the theatre (and even there I 'd much rather see a Royal Court/Almeida/Donmar/National drama to a West End musical).
So to me the lesson is:
maybe go to 1 U2 show per tour
And go to as many PJ ones as you can!


btw, I didn't compile the stats, other people did..just found them on the web:
http://www.pjbootstrading.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2251&sid=82a7a51d7c076ec63e0a1bebecef4379
http://www.theskyiscrape.com/index.php
http://www.u2-vertigo-tour.com/Vertigo_Tour.html

LukinTimer

onemorshow wrote:

LukinTimer wrote:

Ditto on "NEXT TIME U2 OPENS FOR PJ!!!!"

hey you ,cant believe its over.had so much fun.glad we all hung together in front to show pj support.you and lori are so lucky.i told justin about your surfing day.he wished he was there to say hi to mike.he really likes mike alot.next time, pj plays solo and all night long on the beach.lol

Hey Jack.... it was incredible. Thanks for sharing the fun in "Holding Pen #3" and in the "inner circle" -- wow, it was awesome. And thanks for the McCready pick... that was very generous. It also meant that when I found one I could give it to Lori!!! So she thanks you too!!

Can't wait for the next show!!

J_NP

Pegasus wrote:

U2 Pacific leg: 13 shows, 33 songs (and they opened EVERY show with the same song)
PJ Pacific leg: 15 shows (counting the secret one and the U2 opening), 99 songs!

and that's before we even talk about the order or the variety and spontaneity of stage antics!


For my parts, I take my spectacles at the theatre (and even there I 'd much rather see a Royal Court/Almeida/Donmar/National drama to a West End musical).
So to me the lesson is:
maybe go to 1 U2 show per tour
And go to as many PJ ones as you can!

1st Of All , I'm not turning this into a U2 X Pearl Jam thing , U guys are , and I know some of u are crazy to see hittin PJ , or sayin U2 is much better , this is stupid ..... Both are very different bands but with one thing in common I see , good music comes out of it

Anyway but back with what u said , Actually U could say more , not only The Pacific Leg , but the whole South America and Mexico Tour had the some opening , and so were most of the shows , Why ? Because the song established itself as the best opening , In Fact Vertigo actually had the most opening song changes , in the 80's , U2 opened every single show of the Joshua Tree tour with the same song , Same with the ZOOTV - wich I think all u guys must have heard , coz in fact Pearl jam opened for them before on it - 2 years of tour , and only one song opening .

That's what's U2 is about , they want to make their concert as great as possible , and the fact of changing one song for another , It's mediocre to think a rock show need this , coz as u got it right , It's all about the energy , So Who cares the fuck if they open 1000 shows with the same song , as long as it's exciting , Well Played and rockin

And finally just to ilustrate a bit , since u're so obsessed with order and numbers about setlists well ....... Of course there are iddenticals .....

Honolulu : City of Blinding Lights, Vertigo, Elevation, I Will Follow, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - In A Little While, Beautiful Day - Sgt. Pepper's - Blackbird, Angel of Harlem, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, The First Time, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, Love and Peace or Else, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bullet the Blue Sky, Miss Sarajevo, Pride, Where the Streets Have No Name, One
Encore(s): The Fly, Mysterious Ways, With or Without You, Window In the Skies, The Saints Are Coming (w/Billie Joe Armstrong), Rockin' In the Free World (w/Pearl Jam), All I Want Is You

Dublin : Vertigo, All Because of You, Gloria, Elevation, An Cat Dubh - Into the Heart, Beautiful Day - Blackbird, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, Original of the Species, Bad - Dirty Old Town, City of Blinding Lights, Miracle Drug, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, Love and Peace or Else, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bullet the Blue Sky, Running to Stand Still - Happy Birthday - Walk On, Pride, Where the Streets Have No Name, One - Unchained Melody
Encore(s): Zoo Station, The Fly, With or Without You, Vertigo, Yahweh, 40

DrPots

Not sure which songs specifically they all blended into one! ;-)

In all seriousness, I arrived at the thought just before my wife who turned to me during one of the last sets and said "who's got the tambourine?"

I was impressed with myself, she is usually the critic as she plays in a lot of orchestras etc.

One part I do remember was where Larry Mullen was out playing the Tom Tom drum front stage, and in addition there was the sound of a base drum...only he didn't have one.

This is turning into a bit of a U2 knocking post. I do actually like U2 quite alot. I also like what they stand for. There weren't many people brave enough or intelligent enough to speak out in the 80's against people such as the IRA and now their work with Make poverty history. If only more people in the public eye would use their influence for good. (off topic preach over)

dharma69

LukinTimer wrote:

I totally get this and you have a good point. It is a big production and more planning has to go into it. I think since I had seen U2 twice in and around LA I just thought they would shake it up a little more. Throw in a surprise or two with it being the last show and all. I love their stuff... not a hater by any means.

Also, as 1Vedhead and F'n Circus mentioned -- we are spoiled, we never get the same show twice. It just doesn't happen. So maybe we were expecting too much with a production of that size.

And when it comes to "U2 Opens for PJ" -- well, this is a PJ site and we love our band. (-;

No harm, no foul.

And to wrap it all up, despite Der Kommesar, we met TONS of cool U2 fans. You guys know how to have a good time... we should do it again sometime!!

U2 fans are quite cool...I know....I'm one of them.

Pearl Jam fans are quite cool....I know....I'm one of them.

One band gives the social and the spiritual; the other band gives flat out rock and roll frenzy...

Both bands, both fans....that's the combination of a lifetime. My siggy says it all.

And the "Der Kommesar" bit is killing me!

Pegasus

J_NP wrote:

And finally just to ilustrate a bit , since u're so obsessed with order and numbers about setlists well ....... Of course there are iddenticals .....

Honolulu : City of Blinding Lights, Vertigo, Elevation, I Will Follow, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For - In A Little While, Beautiful Day - Sgt. Pepper's - Blackbird, Angel of Harlem, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, The First Time, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, Love and Peace or Else, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bullet the Blue Sky, Miss Sarajevo, Pride, Where the Streets Have No Name, One
Encore(s): The Fly, Mysterious Ways, With or Without You, Window In the Skies, The Saints Are Coming (w/Billie Joe Armstrong), Rockin' In the Free World (w/Pearl Jam), All I Want Is You

Dublin : Vertigo, All Because of You, Gloria, Elevation, An Cat Dubh - Into the Heart, Beautiful Day - Blackbird, I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, Original of the Species, Bad - Dirty Old Town, City of Blinding Lights, Miracle Drug, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, Love and Peace or Else, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bullet the Blue Sky, Running to Stand Still - Happy Birthday - Walk On, Pride, Where the Streets Have No Name, One - Unchained Melody
Encore(s): Zoo Station, The Fly, With or Without You, Vertigo, Yahweh, 40

I'm not obsessed, I'm just pointing out a huge difference that to me illustrate the whole different approach to 'Live' shows.

And I notice that you had to take 2 shows 18 months and 5000 miles apart to be able to get that variety...they played 3 shows in Dublin with an almost identical setlist to one another..

I do realise that because their shows are very staged, it's much more difficult to change.
But that's the point.
PJ chooses not to stage their show and keep the variety and spontaneity..I much prefer it that way...and so I believe are most people here, that's why they are still fans of this band! (I know I stopped caring about U2 precisely when they started turning into a spectacle rather than a R&R band, i.e. just after Achtung Baby, which was already limit)
Therefore of course we will criticize the other approach...and I'm sure there'd be plenty of U2 fans on the other hand that would criticize the fuck-ups at PJ shows (I love the fuck-ups , precisely because it shows it's spontaneous and live).

anyway..I shouldn't post here..sorry..:o