I am looking forward to the day when people don't give a shit whether he's black and look back on his presidency and see that he helped avoid a second great depression, provided millions of Americans with healthcare they previously didn't have access to, ended the war in Iraq, ended the war in Afghan while concentrating military efforts on the terrorists while killing Osama and other high ranking terrorist leaders, and ended the bigot policy that is Don't Ask, Don't Tell. All while having to deal with a party that is more concerned with kicking him out of office than actually helping the American people.
color is not a issue (for me) but I also don't think he killed usama b. or even directed the assult on him in fact Bush had as much to do with that more so than Obama in my opinion.
I also think that a huge part of his election was a direct result of the color of his skin and nothing to do with his ability to do the job.
Godfather.
A huge part of the election had to do with the economy. Prior to October, 2008, McCain and Obama were pretty much neck and neck, much like G.W. and the previous two elections. Obama's numbers jumped when the economy went down the serious pooper about 4 weeks before the election. This wasn't about race, but about Obama coming across as more effective and confident with how to deal with the economy and McCain's poor brain functioning being exposed.
I can go with that for sure but color bought a lot of his votes.
Not sure how I feel about rarely being agreed with though
am I that far out there :shock:
but now that I have my A for the day I guess it is time for a schell's
how about this I agree with your social politics, and even foreign policy beliefs (from what I remember reading), but we are on opposite sides of the fence economically. generally this is what happens when you mix a liberal and a libertarian.
economics is another story...but I think the motivation is the same. That is why it is so easy to disagree without getting personal for me...I realize that everyone simply wants a better life for everyone..just a different way of getting there...that is why I am such a big proponent of strengthening states rights...I would love it if the united states had conservative states, libertarian states, liberal states, and even socialist states...all of those things could work if the Feds would just let the states handle their own business...if the states want to grant gay marriage, give out free healthcare to their residents, have no state income tax, have a high tax rate for business, legalize marijuana, all of it should be at the state level....that simple...I think you would find much less division and childish behavior in the national politics if people were having their voices heard locally...
but that is just a pipe dream...we still have people who think race makes a difference(which is a self fulfilling prophecy sometimes IMO)
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
economics is another story...but I think the motivation is the same. That is why it is so easy to disagree without getting personal for me...I realize that everyone simply wants a better life for everyone..just a different way of getting there...that is why I am such a big proponent of strengthening states rights...I would love it if the united states had conservative states, libertarian states, liberal states, and even socialist states...all of those things could work if the Feds would just let the states handle their own business...if the states want to grant gay marriage, give out free healthcare to their residents, have no state income tax, have a high tax rate for business, legalize marijuana, all of it should be at the state level....that simple...I think you would find much less division and childish behavior in the national politics if people were having their voices heard locally...
but that is just a pipe dream...we still have people who think race makes a difference(which is a self fulfilling prophecy sometimes IMO)
economics is another story...but I think the motivation is the same. That is why it is so easy to disagree without getting personal for me...I realize that everyone simply wants a better life for everyone..just a different way of getting there...that is why I am such a big proponent of strengthening states rights...I would love it if the united states had conservative states, libertarian states, liberal states, and even socialist states...all of those things could work if the Feds would just let the states handle their own business...if the states want to grant gay marriage, give out free healthcare to their residents, have no state income tax, have a high tax rate for business, legalize marijuana, all of it should be at the state level....that simple...I think you would find much less division and childish behavior in the national politics if people were having their voices heard locally...
but that is just a pipe dream...we still have people who think race makes a difference(which is a self fulfilling prophecy sometimes IMO)
then what is the federal gov't for?
The constitution authorizes the federal government ~17 tasks(mint money, foreign relations, military, secure borders etc.)
The constitution authorizes the federal government ~17 tasks(mint money, foreign relations, military, secure borders etc.)
i get that ... but what if the individual state does not want to participate? ... take international treaties ... say a certain state does not want the feds to be part of a cluster mine treaty!? ... what then!?
The constitution authorizes the federal government ~17 tasks(mint money, foreign relations, military, secure borders etc.)
i get that ... but what if the individual state does not want to participate? ... take international treaties ... say a certain state does not want the feds to be part of a cluster mine treaty!? ... what then!?
article 2 section 2 clause 2
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
economics is another story...but I think the motivation is the same. That is why it is so easy to disagree without getting personal for me...I realize that everyone simply wants a better life for everyone..just a different way of getting there...that is why I am such a big proponent of strengthening states rights...I would love it if the united states had conservative states, libertarian states, liberal states, and even socialist states...all of those things could work if the Feds would just let the states handle their own business...if the states want to grant gay marriage, give out free healthcare to their residents, have no state income tax, have a high tax rate for business, legalize marijuana, all of it should be at the state level....that simple...I think you would find much less division and childish behavior in the national politics if people were having their voices heard locally...
but that is just a pipe dream...we still have people who think race makes a difference(which is a self fulfilling prophecy sometimes IMO)
then what is the federal gov't for?
read the constitution. It tells you specifically what it is for...I know people think that is a lame response but I don't have a better one.
now it seems as though we should simply change our name to the united state of america.
the states are meant to be different...if we allow them to be while respecting the Constitution and the guaranteed rights of all Americans I really don't think we would see the conflict we do.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
read the constitution. It tells you specifically what it is for...I know people think that is a lame response but I don't have a better one.
now it seems as though we should simply change our name to the united state of america.
the states are meant to be different...if we allow them to be while respecting the Constitution and the guaranteed rights of all Americans I really don't think we would see the conflict we do.
the constitution has been pissed on since it's inception ... the problems you have at the fed level you also have at the state level ...
but that is the point of my question ... why is it some things are ok for the feds to handle and why is some things not?
well your question was answered by the constitution. and the point of your question is rather strange. Why does anything happen? why are any rules followed? why? Because that is how they are set up. I find it funny that you question the document and its relevance, and the very question you came up with was specifically dealt with inside the constitution. ...the document that makes those distinctions. They were set up to give people and state and local government the most freedom ever felt under a "government" at the time it was written. I suppose it COULD have been set up any way the states wanted to ratify it...the constitution was ratified and should be the document we go by until the process through which it is changed occurs...It is set up to be changed as times change...but that doesn't mean it should be ignored while people are trying to make the changes. The amendment process could possibly eliminate states rights.
If you start to ask why something is the way it is you can bring that down to the eventual discrediting of everything that occurs in social situation in the entire world. Why does anything happen the way it does? I suppose because it was deemed to be the best way possible to get large numbers of separate states to agree to a common way of doing business in the beginning. and after that it has grown into the behemoth we see today. Constantly looking for reasons to justify its existence...and in the mean time actually being able to convince some that states rights don't matter.
I know that might ramble a bit but I hope you catch my drift. I am getting married this weekend so my mind is strangely scattered
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
read the constitution. It tells you specifically what it is for...I know people think that is a lame response but I don't have a better one.
now it seems as though we should simply change our name to the united state of america.
the states are meant to be different...if we allow them to be while respecting the Constitution and the guaranteed rights of all Americans I really don't think we would see the conflict we do.
the constitution has been pissed on since it's inception ... the problems you have at the fed level you also have at the state level ...
I certainly wouldn't say pissed on just interpreted differently...and there are certainly problems with state governments, but as government gets smaller, the people it affects directly have more say. That is the beauty of our system. If you don't like one state, you are free to move to another, if you don't like one town's ordinances you are free to travel to another...that is why I would love for states rights to be what they are supposed to be...if you don't like the laws in idaho, either work to change them locally, or move to a state that fits your philosophy...I mean, without my mom and the future in-laws in mn I would be living in vermont or new hampshire...sure the fake hippies would drive me nuts(lived with two in college for 3 years and it is the only time I have contemplated murder ), but they seem to be the most libertarian of all places. and those differences between states should be CELEBRATED not denigrated.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
well your question was answered by the constitution. and the point of your question is rather strange. Why does anything happen? why are any rules followed? why? Because that is how they are set up. I find it funny that you question the document and its relevance, and the very question you came up with was specifically dealt with inside the constitution. ...the document that makes those distinctions. They were set up to give people and state and local government the most freedom ever felt under a "government" at the time it was written. I suppose it COULD have been set up any way the states wanted to ratify it...the constitution was ratified and should be the document we go by until the process through which it is changed occurs...It is set up to be changed as times change...but that doesn't mean it should be ignored while people are trying to make the changes. The amendment process could possibly eliminate states rights.
If you start to ask why something is the way it is you can bring that down to the eventual discrediting of everything that occurs in social situation in the entire world. Why does anything happen the way it does? I suppose because it was deemed to be the best way possible to get large numbers of separate states to agree to a common way of doing business in the beginning. and after that it has grown into the behemoth we see today. Constantly looking for reasons to justify its existence...and in the mean time actually being able to convince some that states rights don't matter.
I know that might ramble a bit but I hope you catch my drift. I am getting married this weekend so my mind is strangely scattered
firstly ... congratulations ... i hope you have a wonderful wedding day and that you and your spouse will be able to enjoy it ...
secondly ... i totally understand what you are saying and i'm sorry if my questions seem redundant and trivial ... however, what i am trying to get at is that by simply saying we should follow the constitution is no different than saying we should all do this or that ... it's just not going to happen and ultimately is that the crux of what ails the country and the states? ... i don't think so ... the problems aren't as a result of not following the constitution ... they are the result of the people themselves ...
well your question was answered by the constitution. and the point of your question is rather strange. Why does anything happen? why are any rules followed? why? Because that is how they are set up. I find it funny that you question the document and its relevance, and the very question you came up with was specifically dealt with inside the constitution. ...the document that makes those distinctions. They were set up to give people and state and local government the most freedom ever felt under a "government" at the time it was written. I suppose it COULD have been set up any way the states wanted to ratify it...the constitution was ratified and should be the document we go by until the process through which it is changed occurs...It is set up to be changed as times change...but that doesn't mean it should be ignored while people are trying to make the changes. The amendment process could possibly eliminate states rights.
If you start to ask why something is the way it is you can bring that down to the eventual discrediting of everything that occurs in social situation in the entire world. Why does anything happen the way it does? I suppose because it was deemed to be the best way possible to get large numbers of separate states to agree to a common way of doing business in the beginning. and after that it has grown into the behemoth we see today. Constantly looking for reasons to justify its existence...and in the mean time actually being able to convince some that states rights don't matter.
I know that might ramble a bit but I hope you catch my drift. I am getting married this weekend so my mind is strangely scattered
firstly ... congratulations ... i hope you have a wonderful wedding day and that you and your spouse will be able to enjoy it ...
secondly ... i totally understand what you are saying and i'm sorry if my questions seem redundant and trivial ... however, what i am trying to get at is that by simply saying we should follow the constitution is no different than saying we should all do this or that ... it's just not going to happen and ultimately is that the crux of what ails the country and the states? ... i don't think so ... the problems aren't as a result of not following the constitution ... they are the result of the people themselves ...
I disagree about your assesment of the constitution. i think we would be much happier if the document was followed more closely in regards to the freedom it is supposed to give us. It isn't supposed to be a document that tells the people what they can and cannot do..it is a document that is supposed to tell governments what they can and cannot do...
but you are right about the people...the constant need to control your neighbor is making people look to the constitution for ways to JUSTIFY that behavior...rather than looking to the document to PROTECT us from that behavior...which was its point to begin with...
State's effin rights baby...
maybe 300 years from now in the new super power they will realize that.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I disagree about your assesment of the constitution. i think we would be much happier if the document was followed more closely in regards to the freedom it is supposed to give us. It isn't supposed to be a document that tells the people what they can and cannot do..it is a document that is supposed to tell governments what they can and cannot do...
but you are right about the people...the constant need to control your neighbor is making people look to the constitution for ways to JUSTIFY that behavior...rather than looking to the document to PROTECT us from that behavior...which was its point to begin with...
State's effin rights baby...
maybe 300 years from now in the new super power they will realize that.
I disagree about your assesment of the constitution. i think we would be much happier if the document was followed more closely in regards to the freedom it is supposed to give us. It isn't supposed to be a document that tells the people what they can and cannot do..it is a document that is supposed to tell governments what they can and cannot do... but you are right about the people...the constant need to control your neighbor is making people look to the constitution for ways to JUSTIFY that behavior...rather than looking to the document to PROTECT us from that behavior...which was its point to begin with...
State's effin rights baby...
maybe 300 years from now in the new super power they will realize that.
then why hasn't it been followed?
same as you said...it is the people. The ones who have to control their neighbors no matter where they live
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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It would be good if we all adhered to this and ignored certain characters here. Seriously. Just ignore the trolls. Let them stew in their own juices.
I can go with that for sure but color bought a lot of his votes.
Godfather.
"how can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat"
Godfather.
economics is another story...but I think the motivation is the same. That is why it is so easy to disagree without getting personal for me...I realize that everyone simply wants a better life for everyone..just a different way of getting there...that is why I am such a big proponent of strengthening states rights...I would love it if the united states had conservative states, libertarian states, liberal states, and even socialist states...all of those things could work if the Feds would just let the states handle their own business...if the states want to grant gay marriage, give out free healthcare to their residents, have no state income tax, have a high tax rate for business, legalize marijuana, all of it should be at the state level....that simple...I think you would find much less division and childish behavior in the national politics if people were having their voices heard locally...
but that is just a pipe dream...we still have people who think race makes a difference(which is a self fulfilling prophecy sometimes IMO)
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
then what is the federal gov't for?
The constitution authorizes the federal government ~17 tasks(mint money, foreign relations, military, secure borders etc.)
i get that ... but what if the individual state does not want to participate? ... take international treaties ... say a certain state does not want the feds to be part of a cluster mine treaty!? ... what then!?
article 2 section 2 clause 2
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
but that is the point of my question ... why is it some things are ok for the feds to handle and why is some things not?
read the constitution. It tells you specifically what it is for...I know people think that is a lame response but I don't have a better one.
now it seems as though we should simply change our name to the united state of america.
the states are meant to be different...if we allow them to be while respecting the Constitution and the guaranteed rights of all Americans I really don't think we would see the conflict we do.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
the constitution has been pissed on since it's inception ... the problems you have at the fed level you also have at the state level ...
well your question was answered by the constitution. and the point of your question is rather strange. Why does anything happen? why are any rules followed? why? Because that is how they are set up. I find it funny that you question the document and its relevance, and the very question you came up with was specifically dealt with inside the constitution. ...the document that makes those distinctions. They were set up to give people and state and local government the most freedom ever felt under a "government" at the time it was written. I suppose it COULD have been set up any way the states wanted to ratify it...the constitution was ratified and should be the document we go by until the process through which it is changed occurs...It is set up to be changed as times change...but that doesn't mean it should be ignored while people are trying to make the changes. The amendment process could possibly eliminate states rights.
If you start to ask why something is the way it is you can bring that down to the eventual discrediting of everything that occurs in social situation in the entire world. Why does anything happen the way it does? I suppose because it was deemed to be the best way possible to get large numbers of separate states to agree to a common way of doing business in the beginning. and after that it has grown into the behemoth we see today. Constantly looking for reasons to justify its existence...and in the mean time actually being able to convince some that states rights don't matter.
I know that might ramble a bit but I hope you catch my drift. I am getting married this weekend so my mind is strangely scattered
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
presidents have given themselves more and more lattitude with regards to the constitution in recent administrations...
in my opinion if the constitution can not limit executive power and abuses then it is a useless rag.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I certainly wouldn't say pissed on just interpreted differently...and there are certainly problems with state governments, but as government gets smaller, the people it affects directly have more say. That is the beauty of our system. If you don't like one state, you are free to move to another, if you don't like one town's ordinances you are free to travel to another...that is why I would love for states rights to be what they are supposed to be...if you don't like the laws in idaho, either work to change them locally, or move to a state that fits your philosophy...I mean, without my mom and the future in-laws in mn I would be living in vermont or new hampshire...sure the fake hippies would drive me nuts(lived with two in college for 3 years and it is the only time I have contemplated murder
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
firstly ... congratulations ... i hope you have a wonderful wedding day and that you and your spouse will be able to enjoy it ...
secondly ... i totally understand what you are saying and i'm sorry if my questions seem redundant and trivial ... however, what i am trying to get at is that by simply saying we should follow the constitution is no different than saying we should all do this or that ... it's just not going to happen and ultimately is that the crux of what ails the country and the states? ... i don't think so ... the problems aren't as a result of not following the constitution ... they are the result of the people themselves ...
I disagree about your assesment of the constitution. i think we would be much happier if the document was followed more closely in regards to the freedom it is supposed to give us. It isn't supposed to be a document that tells the people what they can and cannot do..it is a document that is supposed to tell governments what they can and cannot do...
but you are right about the people...the constant need to control your neighbor is making people look to the constitution for ways to JUSTIFY that behavior...rather than looking to the document to PROTECT us from that behavior...which was its point to begin with...
State's effin rights baby...
maybe 300 years from now in the new super power they will realize that.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
then why hasn't it been followed?
same as you said...it is the people. The ones who have to control their neighbors no matter where they live
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
which, as convoluted as i made it, was my point ... the people and the democracy need to be strengthened ...