Is Obama an "Affirmative Action President?"

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

Snap?
Here you go?
Like I said, I paid FEDERAL taxes in 2010 for owning my company GE

You guys don't get it do you.

I won't explain bc you won't understand

This thread is not racist either. Stop trolling

stop trolling? who posted the outright racist article? who is posting cartoons just to piss people off??

by the way, is the media being racist by covering cain's affairs and ignoring newt's??

usamamasan1

Affirmative action.
Look it up. That is what this thread is about. If you do not want to participate in a constructive way, please move on. I don't want to report you for not following g the posting guidelines. Please revisit or consider yourself warned for reporting. Derailing threads is not ok, neither is trolling.

Go Beavers

usamamasan1 wrote:

Affirmative action.
Look it up. That is what this thread is about. If you do not want to participate in a constructive way, please move on. I don't want to report you for not following g the posting guidelines. Please revisit or consider yourself warned for reporting. Derailing threads is not ok, neither is trolling.

If the thread is about affirmative action, then why don't you participate in a constructive way and respond to those who have commented on the article you posted? Your comments have been about Katrina and that you pay taxes on your GE stock.

RW81233

so should our armed forces be done with since they are one of the last national vestiges that utilizes Affirmative Action?

usamamasan1

Hence derailing comment
And why are you here posting and not contributing in a positive way. Take the high road, the view is nice up here.

Go Beavers

usamamasan1 wrote:

Hence derailing comment
And why are you here posting and not contributing in a positive way. Take the high road, the view is nice up here.

You on the high road? You crack me up.

keeponrockin

I voted Obama because I liked his plan better than McCain's, I felt McCain was too trigger happy, and Palin is an idiot.

RW81233

keeponrockin wrote:

I voted Obama because I liked his plan better than McCain's, I felt McCain was too trigger happy, and Palin is an idiot.

not because he was black? i thought that's what it was all about last election. and what does the OP actually know about affirmative action, and the ways it has been declawed over the years? white victimhood is so funny.

mikepegg44

RW81233 wrote:

if you equate derailing a racist thread with a little bit of reason I apologize, but here you go http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general- ... d=13224558

what happened to the distinction that the people who paid no income tax got when people were discussing the bottom 47%? remember, all we heard was they pay sales tax, they pay payroll tax..blah blah blah...The economy gave them a shot to the face, especially their lending arm...they also benefit from a government that is too involved in loaning and giving money to the business community to promote technologies that should simply be promoted by the private sector. Take the favor doing business away from the government, get it out of the markets all together, and you eliminate this kind of situation. But that is just crazy talk because I hate poor people and want rich people to rule the world.

enough on this topic, if you want to continue by PM I would absolutely

now let's get back to calling Obama's success story simply a result of affirmative action and discredit his hard work...jesus...with all the things to go after this president for on policy alone, why do people insist on coming up with ways to make themselves sound petty and stupid.

MayDay Malone

RW81233 wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

How does one's Dad pay for them to fly fighter jets for the AF?

Sounds like a bitter "professor" to me.

No i wrote that his daddy paid for the MBA you suggested he "earned". I suppose it's semantics, but earned is a loaded term in my mind. I prefer worked hard and received help instead, although in W's case don't believe the former is all that true. Maybe he flew the fighter jets, although I'm not sure how he didn't crash. Definitely did not win the first election (Democrats have cheated too see: Kennedy, 1960 and Chicago River).

Further, you certainly did not address any of my points like how he paid 100k (yes 100k) for his stake in the Rangers and turned it into a Presidency. How he fleeced the City of Arlington and simultaneously got people to love him. How his ineptitude as a President was so plainly obvious that even 9/11 couldn't help him in the end. How he and his predecessors reduction in state funding directly led to the death of thousands in New Orleans. We don't even have to get into the illegal war mongering and no-contract sales to his friend's companies do we? At this point it is hard to process how anyone could still like him and claim that Obama was an "affirmative action" President and be taken seriously.

On top of that each one of your responses to my posts seems more like an attempt to start an argument based on right vs. left-wing talking points ("bitter professor", "affirmative action", and so on), rather than a reasoned discussion about the article presented, the poor points it made, and a connection to the posts made about it. So let me try again. You could find and replace every Obama in this article with George W., and replace black with white and that's what makes this article stupid. It's lazy, uniformed, garbage. There's plenty to pick on Obama about (selling out to corporations, lobbyists, etc.) without breaking it down into something so crass and ignorant.

Whatever man. I disagree w/ your assessment of W's presidency, I think that history will prove me right. We'll see.

Hey man, I'm really not putting you down personally, but you have posted that you are a college professor, and even the name of your school. Then rant conspiracy theories and lib talking points about Bush in an Obama thread. A lot of companies would fire someone for that- people have been fired for what they post on Facebook, etc. But in the academic world, it's encouraged- in fact, its almost a prerequisite for tenure.

And it's just so exhaustingly typical of college. I've been. I payed. I've had to navigate the minefields of ultra-liberal indoctrinators posed as professors, and regurgitate talking points and bullshit, just to get the grade- just to get the diploma- just to get the job.

But to sit here and pretend we are carrying on an academic discussion about the 43rd Prez, well..... what kind of grade would I get in your class if I presented a paper claiming that Bush did something right? A bad grade, that's what. And you fuckin know it.

Thanks, but I don't have to pretend to be enlightened by ultra-liberal professors anymore.

Pearl Jam rocks. Im sure we agree on that. I kinda hit hard at the teachers in this one, so speak your mind, but after that, lets just agree to disagree on some things, and let it be?

No hard feelings.

MayDay Malone

RW81233 wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

I voted Obama because I liked his plan better than McCain's, I felt McCain was too trigger happy, and Palin is an idiot.

not because he was black? i thought that's what it was all about last election. and what does the OP actually know about affirmative action, and the ways it has been declawed over the years? white victimhood is so funny.

So is white guilt.

MayDay Malone

mikepegg44 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

if you equate derailing a racist thread with a little bit of reason I apologize, but here you go http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general- ... d=13224558

what happened to the distinction that the people who paid no income tax got when people were discussing the bottom 47%? remember, all we heard was they pay sales tax, they pay payroll tax..blah blah blah...The economy gave them a shot to the face, especially their lending arm...they also benefit from a government that is too involved in loaning and giving money to the business community to promote technologies that should simply be promoted by the private sector. Take the favor doing business away from the government, get it out of the markets all together, and you eliminate this kind of situation. But that is just crazy talk because I hate poor people and want rich people to rule the world.

enough on this topic, if you want to continue by PM I would absolutely

now let's get back to calling Obama's success story simply a result of affirmative action and discredit his hard work...jesus...with all the things to go after this president for on policy alone, why do people insist on coming up with ways to make themselves sound petty and stupid.

The article, IMO, isn't saying that Obama is a bad president bc he is black. It's saying that he was never qualified, and it is "white guilt" that led to the election of an under-qualified person.

RW81233

You should take my class before pulling a Newt and thinking you'd get a bad grade because of your opinion. I'm all about helping students become conscious of their surroundings and understand why they think and believe what they do, as well as maybe understand how others like them don't share the same values and beliefs. There are no games to play in my class, and the grading rubric for my paper spells that out clearly. If you write an essay that I totally disagree with, but actually defend it with a thoughtful response you earn a good grade. If you write an essay that I totally agree with, but don't do the work required to defend it you get a bad grade. No I don't pretend to hold back my political leanings in any way, but that's the point of college to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better - not learn how to be the next corporate drone pecking the keyboard for 30 years...there's time for that after college.

If you call white guilt coming to an understanding that I have unearned privileges in this life based solely on the color of my skin and the fact that I have a penis and am heterosexual then put me in jail. I am treated differently, and most times, for the better because of those things. Conversely, white victimhood is based on the belief that somehow taking steps to alter the aforementioned is making things impossible for white men in the face of almost irrefutable evidence to the contrary. I mean it's so hard being a white man now with our dwindling numbers in positions of power...oh wait.

RW81233

MayDay Malone wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

if you equate derailing a racist thread with a little bit of reason I apologize, but here you go http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general- ... d=13224558

what happened to the distinction that the people who paid no income tax got when people were discussing the bottom 47%? remember, all we heard was they pay sales tax, they pay payroll tax..blah blah blah...The economy gave them a shot to the face, especially their lending arm...they also benefit from a government that is too involved in loaning and giving money to the business community to promote technologies that should simply be promoted by the private sector. Take the favor doing business away from the government, get it out of the markets all together, and you eliminate this kind of situation. But that is just crazy talk because I hate poor people and want rich people to rule the world.

enough on this topic, if you want to continue by PM I would absolutely

now let's get back to calling Obama's success story simply a result of affirmative action and discredit his hard work...jesus...with all the things to go after this president for on policy alone, why do people insist on coming up with ways to make themselves sound petty and stupid.

The article, IMO, isn't saying that Obama is a bad president bc he is black. It's saying that he was never qualified, and it is "white guilt" that led to the election of an under-qualified person.

how many underqualified white presidents have we had who only got what they got because of rich daddy's? are we to believe that obama is the first? c'mon this is a joke right?

mikepegg44

MayDay Malone wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

if you equate derailing a racist thread with a little bit of reason I apologize, but here you go http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general- ... d=13224558

what happened to the distinction that the people who paid no income tax got when people were discussing the bottom 47%? remember, all we heard was they pay sales tax, they pay payroll tax..blah blah blah...The economy gave them a shot to the face, especially their lending arm...they also benefit from a government that is too involved in loaning and giving money to the business community to promote technologies that should simply be promoted by the private sector. Take the favor doing business away from the government, get it out of the markets all together, and you eliminate this kind of situation. But that is just crazy talk because I hate poor people and want rich people to rule the world.

enough on this topic, if you want to continue by PM I would absolutely

now let's get back to calling Obama's success story simply a result of affirmative action and discredit his hard work...jesus...with all the things to go after this president for on policy alone, why do people insist on coming up with ways to make themselves sound petty and stupid.

The article, IMO, isn't saying that Obama is a bad president bc he is black. It's saying that he was never qualified, and it is "white guilt" that led to the election of an under-qualified person.

I realize that. But I am disagreeing with that assessment. It is easy to look past a persons fault if they are well spoken and likable. I don't think it was anything sinister, nor do I see it as white guilt that caused it. He was a better option than mccain in many people's eyes.
I would say he got the nomination more because people have a problem backing a woman. so which is it, white guilt or sexism that got him the nomination?

I think we can all agree that it took many things for Barack Obama to become president...but to call it a result of white guilt, or affirmative action sounds petty and is a complete distraction from the real situation. It took no stronger candidate from the dems (in my mind Clinton was, but that is why we have elections, others didn't agree), weak candidates from the GOP, a country weary of more war and economic worries that came during and after 8 years of the GOP in charge of the presidency...the country was ready for change and he tapped into that...it hasn't worked out in my opinion, but that doesn't mean we should look back on his election and claim it was a matter of white guilt

MayDay Malone

RW81233 wrote:

You should take my class before pulling a Newt and thinking you'd get a bad grade because of your opinion. I'm all about helping students become conscious of their surroundings and understand why they think and believe what they do, as well as maybe understand how others like them don't share the same values and beliefs. There are no games to play in my class, and the grading rubric for my paper spells that out clearly. If you write an essay that I totally disagree with, but actually defend it with a thoughtful response you earn a good grade. If you write an essay that I totally agree with, but don't do the work required to defend it you get a bad grade. No I don't pretend to hold back my political leanings in any way, but that's the point of college to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better - not learn how to be the next corporate drone pecking the keyboard for 30 years...there's time for that after college.

If you call white guilt coming to an understanding that I have unearned privileges in this life based solely on the color of my skin and the fact that I have a penis and am heterosexual then put me in jail. I am treated differently, and most times, for the better because of those things. Conversely, white victimhood is based on the belief that somehow taking steps to alter the aforementioned is making things impossible for white men in the face of almost irrefutable evidence to the contrary. I mean it's so hard being a white man now with our dwindling numbers in positions of power...oh wait.

Hold on, teach!! Nobody's talkin bout your wiener, man- so.....

Funny that you think the "point of college is to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better." And then you never leave... And what does "get our society somewhere better" even mean? Sounds like the stuff guys say to girls in college to get laid.

I think the point of college is to learn all I can about my field of study, so that I can "get" myself "somewhere better". But I am an individualist. I know that Statists feel differently.

RW81233

Mike I would add that if we go through the laundry list of racist, philandering, sexist, homophobic challengers the GOP is throwing out there so far it's going to be 4 more years of Obama. If he's a two-term Prez what will the author and those agreeing with him attribute it to? I am actually interested in the answer. Oh I got it. His white (outside of Cain) challengers were unfairly held back in school because of the color of their skin and didn't get into Ivy League schools because underqualified black people took there spots. I mean look at the racial demographics of those campuses...there's like 50 black people enrolling EVERY semester the HORROR!

RW81233

MayDay Malone wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

You should take my class before pulling a Newt and thinking you'd get a bad grade because of your opinion. I'm all about helping students become conscious of their surroundings and understand why they think and believe what they do, as well as maybe understand how others like them don't share the same values and beliefs. There are no games to play in my class, and the grading rubric for my paper spells that out clearly. If you write an essay that I totally disagree with, but actually defend it with a thoughtful response you earn a good grade. If you write an essay that I totally agree with, but don't do the work required to defend it you get a bad grade. No I don't pretend to hold back my political leanings in any way, but that's the point of college to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better - not learn how to be the next corporate drone pecking the keyboard for 30 years...there's time for that after college.

If you call white guilt coming to an understanding that I have unearned privileges in this life based solely on the color of my skin and the fact that I have a penis and am heterosexual then put me in jail. I am treated differently, and most times, for the better because of those things. Conversely, white victimhood is based on the belief that somehow taking steps to alter the aforementioned is making things impossible for white men in the face of almost irrefutable evidence to the contrary. I mean it's so hard being a white man now with our dwindling numbers in positions of power...oh wait.

Hold on, teach!! Nobody's talkin bout your wiener, man- so.....

Funny that you think the "point of college is to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better." And then you never leave... And what does "get our society somewhere better" even mean? Sounds like the stuff guys say to girls in college to get laid.

I think the point of college is to learn all I can about my field of study, so that I can "get" myself "somewhere better". But I am an individualist. I know that Statists feel differently.

what you are describing is trade school. University's are about critical thought, reading, study, and conversation that could then been applied in the students future occupation in a variety of ways. Now, in the era of the corporate University, Professors are evaluated on how much corporate grant funding they garner, and students are taught technical "how to" stuff rather than to think. Note I said to think not HOW to think.

MayDay Malone

RW81233 wrote:

MayDay Malone wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

You should take my class before pulling a Newt and thinking you'd get a bad grade because of your opinion. I'm all about helping students become conscious of their surroundings and understand why they think and believe what they do, as well as maybe understand how others like them don't share the same values and beliefs. There are no games to play in my class, and the grading rubric for my paper spells that out clearly. If you write an essay that I totally disagree with, but actually defend it with a thoughtful response you earn a good grade. If you write an essay that I totally agree with, but don't do the work required to defend it you get a bad grade. No I don't pretend to hold back my political leanings in any way, but that's the point of college to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better - not learn how to be the next corporate drone pecking the keyboard for 30 years...there's time for that after college.

If you call white guilt coming to an understanding that I have unearned privileges in this life based solely on the color of my skin and the fact that I have a penis and am heterosexual then put me in jail. I am treated differently, and most times, for the better because of those things. Conversely, white victimhood is based on the belief that somehow taking steps to alter the aforementioned is making things impossible for white men in the face of almost irrefutable evidence to the contrary. I mean it's so hard being a white man now with our dwindling numbers in positions of power...oh wait.

Hold on, teach!! Nobody's talkin bout your wiener, man- so.....

Funny that you think the "point of college is to share knowledge and beliefs in order to get our society somewhere better." And then you never leave... And what does "get our society somewhere better" even mean? Sounds like the stuff guys say to girls in college to get laid.

I think the point of college is to learn all I can about my field of study, so that I can "get" myself "somewhere better". But I am an individualist. I know that Statists feel differently.

what you are describing is trade school. University's are about critical thought, reading, study, and conversation that could then been applied in the students future occupation in a variety of ways. Now, in the era of the corporate University, Professors are evaluated on how much corporate grant funding they garner, and students are taught technical "how to" stuff rather than to think. Note I said to think not HOW to think.

Trade school? haha. "Corporate University?" Geez man... you're rife with it. Good luck to ya....

RW81233

have you been on or worked for a University lately? how can you deny the corporate takeover of those spaces and jobs? that's pretty irrefutable. as for get somewhere better...I'll give you my student's final assignment. Most of them go on to work for minor league ballclubs and the like, and are asked to get more "minority" fans into the stadium. usually they have stupid shit like Latino Night and hand out maracas, sombreros. So I have them go to a space where they are the minority (over 4 to 1). It doesn't have to be race...some go to gay bars, others ride the 48 bus into the city, others go to figure skating competitions, take a tour at an HBCU or watch a basketball game there. Then they have to write up a marketing plan to get more of themselves to that space. Isn't that both learning how to write a marketing plan, but then also get somewhere better by not relying on old stupid ideas that don't work anyway?

Getting back to the point of this thread, the author of the story will argue that my minority students have it "easy" because they can just write about going to school at Towson if they want to.