This is a real blood boiler...

cincybearcat

As a parent, I have no idea how anyone would even think about taking out a belt and whipping their child.

Sure you get angry and frustrated, but you need to calm down before disciplining a child of any age. All you are teaching is to lash out if you don't.

EdsonNascimento

cincybearcat wrote:

As a parent, I have no idea how anyone would even think about taking out a belt and whipping their child.

Sure you get angry and frustrated, but you need to calm down before disciplining a child of any age. All you are teaching is to lash out if you don't.

I do agree with this. I had the belt used on me. Not excessively, but I got it. Not a big deal. But, I would never use any sort of weapon on my children. I don't understand that line of thinking, and it has nothing to do with my previous self -experience. I guess that's my line.

A hand slap to the butt is as far as I would go.

stargirl69

This is a FUCKING DISGRACE ... I can't say anything else,I feel sick to the very pit of my stomach

Cosmo

I'm glad I was able to open some honest dialogue regarding this issue of corporal punishment in the home.
I think that is becomes a fine line that is often times blurred when we, as a society, are allowed access to the closed doors of our neighbor's homes and their bedrooms. I feel, this example is something we need to think about, before we simply jump into the personal affairs of someone else's family.
Yes... of course... if we were to witness this horrible act in a public setting, we would ALL try to do something... from physical intervention to a call to 9-1-1... right? None of us (except the most cowardly) would stand by and do nothing... IF it were commiited in Public.
But, in the the private confines of our homes... does the same apply? Yes, still the same horrible act... and yes, just as horrible as wife beating, rape, molestation... no one is implying that illegal acts are okay as long as it's done behind closed doors. The issue is parental corporal punishment as a form of descipline and how far is too far... and who gets to be the one that makes the call whether or not that boundry has been crossed?
I'm just saying... it's a tougher call than the viedo camera presents.

blackredyellow

Cosmo wrote:

I'm glad I was able to open some honest dialogue regarding this issue of corporal punishment in the home.
I think that is becomes a fine line that is often times blurred when we, as a society, are allowed access to the closed doors of our neighbor's homes and their bedrooms. I feel, this example is something we need to think about, before we simply jump into the personal affairs of someone else's family.
Yes... of course... if we were to witness this horrible act in a public setting, we would ALL try to do something... from physical intervention to a call to 9-1-1... right? None of us (except the most cowardly) would stand by and do nothing... IF it were commiited in Public.
But, in the the private confines of our homes... does the same apply? Yes, still the same horrible act... and yes, just as horrible as wife beating, rape, molestation... no one is implying that illegal acts are okay as long as it's done behind closed doors. The issue is parental corporal punishment as a form of descipline and how far is too far... and who gets to be the one that makes the call whether or not that boundry has been crossed?
I'm just saying... it's a tougher call than the viedo camera presents.

I don't mind the debate on corporal punishment, but what was on that video can't really fit into anyone's view of acceptable corporal punishment, can it?

Cosmo

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't mind the debate on corporal punishment, but what was on that video can't really fit into anyone's view of acceptable corporal punishment, can it?

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If we are speaking purely in specifics... no.
But, are there acceptable limits?
For example, instead of a 16 year old girl with palsy... had it been a 16 you old boy with no physical disabilities... and instead of the father... it was the mother, doleing out the punishment. Similar? Different?
What if the crime was residential vandalism and the cops dropped the kid off at the parents doorstep? Or what if there was no belt involved, just an open hand?
I'm just trying to see if there are acceptable limits... and which of us gets to set those as standards.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't mind the debate on corporal punishment, but what was on that video can't really fit into anyone's view of acceptable corporal punishment, can it?

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If we are speaking purely in specifics... no.
But, are there acceptable limits?
For example, instead of a 16 year old girl with palsy... had it been a 16 you old boy with no physical disabilities... and instead of the father... it was the mother, doleing out the punishment. Similar? Different?
What if the crime was residential vandalism and the cops dropped the kid off at the parents doorstep? Or what if there was no belt involved, just an open hand?
I'm just trying to see if there are acceptable limits... and which of us gets to set those as standards.

same cosmo.. whacking a child with a belt is whacking a child with a belt. what the supposed crime is doesnt change that.

blackredyellow

Cosmo wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I don't mind the debate on corporal punishment, but what was on that video can't really fit into anyone's view of acceptable corporal punishment, can it?

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If we are speaking purely in specifics... no.
But, are there acceptable limits?
For example, instead of a 16 year old girl with palsy... had it been a 16 you old boy with no physical disabilities... and instead of the father... it was the mother, doleing out the punishment. Similar? Different?
What if the crime was residential vandalism and the cops dropped the kid off at the parents doorstep? Or what if there was no belt involved, just an open hand?
I'm just trying to see if there are acceptable limits... and which of us gets to set those as standards.

When the beating lasts several minutes, and is accompanied by cursing, degrading language, it doesn't matter who is doleling it out to me or who the child was. Wherever that "limit" is, this is well past that into abuse and assault.

I just don't get how corporal punishment for a highschool-aged kid has any objective besides being a release for the beater's anger. At that point in life, it's not going to accomplish anything, but make the teenager hate their parents more.

While I disagree with it, paddling an 11 year old a few times for something will at least maybe instill some fear into him/her about doing something like that again, I just can't see it doing anything for a 16 year old besides increasing the anger/hatred/hostility in the family relationship.

Cosmo

blackredyellow wrote:

When the beating lasts several minutes, and is accompanied by cursing, degrading language, it doesn't matter who is doleling it out to me or who the child was. Wherever that "limit" is, this is well past that into abuse and assault.

I just don't get how corporal punishment for a highschool-aged kid has any objective besides being a release for the beater's anger. At that point in life, it's not going to accomplish anything, but make the teenager hate their parents more.

While I disagree with it, paddling an 11 year old a few times for something will at least maybe instill some fear into him/her about doing something like that again, I just can't see it doing anything for a 16 year old besides increasing the anger/hatred/hostility in the family relationship.

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Thanx for that.
And I hope that no one believes I condone this... I do not. I would have unplugged that damn computer and removed the CPU and locked in my desk drawer in my office and made her earn the money to pay for those songs and games. After she has paid for those things, I would restore her computer, limit her access until she has proven her responsibility.
What I am trying to bring into discussion is the role of corporal punishment as a parenting tool. Are there limits? If so, what are those limits and who gets to set them... parents or society?

Monster Rain

Society as a whole sets the limits. Clearly, some parents are incapable of determining what is an appropriate form of discipline on their own.

Cosmo wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

When the beating lasts several minutes, and is accompanied by cursing, degrading language, it doesn't matter who is doleling it out to me or who the child was. Wherever that "limit" is, this is well past that into abuse and assault.

I just don't get how corporal punishment for a highschool-aged kid has any objective besides being a release for the beater's anger. At that point in life, it's not going to accomplish anything, but make the teenager hate their parents more.

While I disagree with it, paddling an 11 year old a few times for something will at least maybe instill some fear into him/her about doing something like that again, I just can't see it doing anything for a 16 year old besides increasing the anger/hatred/hostility in the family relationship.

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Thanx for that.
And I hope that no one believes I condone this... I do not. I would have unplugged that damn computer and removed the CPU and locked in my desk drawer in my office and made her earn the money to pay for those songs and games. After she has paid for those things, I would restore her computer, limit her access until she has proven her responsibility.
What I am trying to bring into discussion is the role of corporal punishment as a parenting tool. Are there limits? If so, what are those limits and who gets to set them... parents or society?

Go Beavers

Cosmo wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

When the beating lasts several minutes, and is accompanied by cursing, degrading language, it doesn't matter who is doleling it out to me or who the child was. Wherever that "limit" is, this is well past that into abuse and assault.

I just don't get how corporal punishment for a highschool-aged kid has any objective besides being a release for the beater's anger. At that point in life, it's not going to accomplish anything, but make the teenager hate their parents more.

While I disagree with it, paddling an 11 year old a few times for something will at least maybe instill some fear into him/her about doing something like that again, I just can't see it doing anything for a 16 year old besides increasing the anger/hatred/hostility in the family relationship.

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Thanx for that.
And I hope that no one believes I condone this... I do not. I would have unplugged that damn computer and removed the CPU and locked in my desk drawer in my office and made her earn the money to pay for those songs and games. After she has paid for those things, I would restore her computer, limit her access until she has proven her responsibility.
What I am trying to bring into discussion is the role of corporal punishment as a parenting tool. Are there limits? If so, what are those limits and who gets to set them... parents or society?

Legal limits mainly focus on physical intervention, established the usual way through the legal system. There are grey area situations that Child Protective Service caseworkers struggle with daily, though. There's plenty of emotional and verbal abuse that's legal.

Cosmo

Go Beavers wrote:

Legal limits mainly focus on physical intervention, established the usual way through the legal system. There are grey area situations that Child Protective Service caseworkers struggle with daily, though. There's plenty of emotional and verbal abuse that's legal.

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Thanx for that.
And yeah, it's a tough call.
On one side, the kid did something wrong (stealing) and punishment is in order.
On the other side is the dicipline. Is spanking allowed? When does end and beatings begin?
Example, how would we feel if he were spanking his 16 year old in that ass with an open hand... would it lead us to lean a towards sexual assault?
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It's a tough call. Where does society's responsibilities end and parental skills kick in? And vice-versa.