This is a real blood boiler...
Shawshank
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I've seen a lot of shit that's pissed me off in life, but very few things have made me this angry... :evil: :evil:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/disabled-teens-beating-judge-william-adams_n_1071822.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%7C109520
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Seriously? I wonder if he ever accepted that defense from any of the accused child abusers in his court room. Something tells me he didn't. I'm glad the police have opened an investigation into this. He'll be a very popular guy in jail.
I will tell you this - the poor daughter is being played by the mom here. At the end of her interview on NBC, she (mom) reveals the true reason this video surfaced now - father wanted to change terms of custody of younger daughter. Mom got scared, older daughter revealed she had this and Mom decided - I can spin my part if I go with you. If we go public, we "win." Unfortunately, the older daughter still loses.
I mean - the poor girls says she thinks her dad doesn't understand how the internet works. :?
The story for this girl is even worse than the video appears. I feel very sorry for her that her mother continues to use her as a pawn in her divorce. Terrible.
This should have surfaced years ago. At this point, it doesn't really serve any purpose. She's not saying it continued for years. She's not saying her sister faced the same thing. It's past the statue of limitations. And, yes, he should be revealed for what he is. But, i know I have been hit with a belt as a kid. Not like that, but still. And I love my parents, and don't really think much of that. I don't do that to my own kids. But, even if I had a video, I can't think of the scenario where 7 years later I would have wanted to reveal it. I am not excusing it in the least. But, it is what it is.
The mother brings up an addiction, but doesn't reveal what. There will be another side to this story, which really won't help the dad look any better (nor should it). But, I'm just as sure it's not going to help the girl get through this. The mom should be getting as much, if not more, scorn than the dad. At least he admitted his part (even if he's trying to soften it). The mom is still blaming someone else for her part. And, again, the poor girl lives through it (though, did you also catch where she says she laughs at it? She caught herself. But, I thought that was telling, as well).
Absolutely. I don't mean to minimize it. It's bad. It happened for some unspecified amount of time - more than 1, but less than a lifetime.
But - the mother is just as cupable. And the daughter sitting with her makes it all the more curious. There's something more to this (again, not shoving aside or making less what the dad did).
But if she was doing it to "capture evidence," why not until now?
And the asshole doesn't think he did anything wrong. He'll escape any charges because of the statute of limitations, but hopefully he gets disbarred.
And yes, there has to be more to this family's story than what is currently out there.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
But...
Seriously... who are we to judge another family on how to raise their kids? I mean, sure, we can completely agree or disagree on the issue of corporal punishment and bring research findings to bear in order to support our views. But, in the bigger picture... is it our part... as a society... to rule on how parents discipline their kids?
Also, it appears to me that there is all sorts of internal family sub-text that we aren't hearing about. The video shows a horrible display of parental discipline... but, I cast a jaundice eye to it being the complete story. It is a sad statement on America when the Internet and television alone, form our opinions.
Now, it would be a completely different story if the girl had been chained to a radiator and beated in the face by his fists for no reason at all... but, it seems to fall in line with American child rearing. The belt to the butt is as American as Apple Pie, the Death Penalty and our irrational fear of the metric system.
Now, I'm not saying it's okay... or that he did nothing wrong. I would never do something like that to my kid... if I had kids. But, just because i don't... doesn't mean he cannot.
The bottom line. She stole... she got punished for it in the manner that her parents doled it out. And... she might have even gotten off easy... He's a Judge... in Texas. They execute people for boosting a Snickers bar from a liquor store down there.
Hail, Hail!!!
MoM: "bend over and take it like woman". c'mon.
We have laws to protect children against abuse and to me that looked like horrible physical and mental abuse.
cosmo.. he beat his daughter. what i saw was way beyond discipline... which yes he does have a right to administer. what he doesnt have a right to do is beat his child.
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My parents never laid a hand on me and I had no discipline problems...I am not supportive of physical punishment (Then again, having no kids sort of invalidates my opinion in the eyes of most)
But back to Cosmo's candor. If I had a nickel for everyone that ever talked to me about how good corporal punishment is and how "my dad took out the belt from time to time and I am thankful; fear is why I turned out as great as I did." Where are these people now? These people that defend "taking off the belt" essentially defend this, but when it's on tape they decry it. I have not posted on this board lately, but I am sure there is a corporal punishment thread on here in which the majority defend it. It's a tough line to draw...if you support it, how is this too much? Where's the line?
I suppose most will say this is worse than they would support. Maybe so. I'm just uncomfortable with physical punishment.
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I was spanked, never with a belt or anything. And my dad would give me a good smack on the head from time to time. But he never did anything that actually HURT me. It is possible to use some easy corporal punishment without BEATING a kid. It worked and I think it was the right thing to do, it let me know he was serious and to stop what I was doing without being physically hurt or emotionally scarred from and actual beating...
I'm gonna steal a quote from the West Wing that I think suits this well. It's actually referring to something far more serious than "stealing" using illegal download sites but seems pretty fitting:
FEDRIGOTTI
Josh, you're in a restaurant...
And there's a little girl who is really misbehaving. She runs around, she's
throwing food.
The father decides to punish her right there by cracking the wine bottle
over her head,
throwing her to the ground, and kicking her repeatedly. You sit at the next
table. What do you do?
JOSH
The kid wasn't throwing food.
FEDRIGOTTI
Is there a crime that girl could commit, that would have justified what the
father did?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You just answered your own ?? the answer is right there ...
Quote : If i had Kids ...
Also, FU to this piece of trash for trying to degrade his daughter in public now by acting like she only released the video because he told her to return the car he gave her as if that makes his actions on the tape any better. It's clear that the mental and verbal abuse has continued even if the beatings stopped.
I would say that yes, it is our part to rule on how parents discipline their kids. We have laws that make it illegal to physically assault someone, and that's what the dad's doing to the child. It doesn't matter if it's in their house or the guy grabbed someone on the street and whipped them with a belt. It's different from state to state on the laws around it, but where I am, if the parent leaves a mark on the kid, it's reportable as abuse. There really isn't a big difference between assault and corporal punishment. I guess if a parent wants to hit their kid, they can swat them on the butt when they're wearing pants. Parents hit their kids as an outlet to their own anger, not to create behavior change, but of course that's what they use to justify it.
Guessing you don't have kids. Yes, parents are obviously angry when they get to that point. But, if that's what you think, you don't have kids.
This has nothing to do with the video. That is beyond any of this discussion. But, your simplistic comment needed to be called out.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
All of the potential psychological harm to the kids aside, this right here is the crux of it for me. It kind of reminds me of the old way of thinking where it was basically legal for a man to rape his wife. Somehow that was viewed as ok...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I tend to agree with Beavers, and I have kids. Mine aren't teenagers yet, so I can't speak to that, but there are times where my kids get me past the point of frustration to the point of anger. It would be easy to last out at them physically, and probably, in that instant, would be an outlet for anger. But there is a part in our brains that stop most people from doing that.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Spank your children daily- if you don't know why, I'm sure they do.
That being said, while i see this video as excessive punishment and not something I would support in any manor, I do believe that corporal punishment has a place in child rearing. I don't ever want to have to spank my daughter, as you can see
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I just put her in a cage anyway
But when I was spanked as a child it was never in the moment and it was never done in anger. That is where the difference lies with me. If you do it in anger it isn't for the kid.
The thing that makes this punishment abuse rather than simple parental spanking, is the tone and anger with which it was delivered. Growing up I had my share of spankings with a stick from the bottom of the old pull down shades, and I deserved every one of them. The benefit I had was a parent who came in, sat me down, and explained to me why my actions deserved this and never did the spanking out of anger.
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I occasionally got the wooden spoon as a kid, but I can't remember any specifics of how or why it happened... But, as far as your post, I just don't understand that approach either... I just can't picture sitting my kid down, calmly telling him why his actions were wrong, and that he somehow deserves me smacking him with something and then hitting him.
Looking back on my childhood, like I said, I got the wooden spoon once in a while... The only thing I remember was that it was my mother smacking me. But as a teenager (or even in my adult life), I don't remember ever fearing facing her when I did something stupid. I don't remember my dad every hitting me or being mean to me, but the one consequence I always feared was letting him down or disappointing him with what I did.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Maybe you could fill in the leap between what I said and your conclusion that I don't have kids.
If you think it's simplistic, that's fine with me. People don't behave violently from a space of peacefulness, logic, and forethought. You agree with me that parents are angry when they get to that point.