Unions
EdsonNascimento
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Why is it bad to allow workers to opt out of being part of a union and keep their jobs?
And, why are unions so afraid of allowing folks to exercise free will?
And, why are unions so afraid of allowing folks to exercise free will?
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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and why are companies afraid to allow workers to join or form a union...?
If employees are able to opt out of a union, shouldn't they be able to opt out of minimum wage and worker safety legislation as well? There will always be somebody desperate enough to work for nothing. Perhaps the best solution is to simply outsource all of the jobs to China, India or Mexico.
I'm able to opt out of my union and keep my job. What union are you referring to?
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Or to be protected form dying in a coal mine...or on an oil rig...........
I dont get it, non unionized workers are allowed to have wrongful death and/or workmen's comp claims filed on their behalf... Although i will agree that one strength of unions is creating safer working conditions.
last year I had to sit on picket line for 2 weeks to force the hand of our company to pay us at the same level as other companies making the same type of machinary in our region. not more than, just the same.
we had a large contingent who were not in the union who did work through this time. Thats their right and i make no complaint.
however when we finally come to an agreement those non unionised workers got the same pay increase, the same benifets that we all suffered for. How is that fair
The way I see it is that
_ Unionised workers join together using their strength in numbers to force the companies hand. during negotiations. we pay fees to have somebody represent us
- non unionised are individuals they represent themselves.
non unionised workers should not get these payrises as they didnt join in any negotiations.
If they do want their payrises they should at least pay a fee to the unions at negotiation time. or negotiate for themselves
They thrive when the Labor party is in charge and cause havoc for all.
so your calling me scum. thanks mate
could i sugest maybe changing your name to waiting for THOUGHTS TO ARRIVE frrom the liberal party
Im a member of a union. and i want just pay for the work I do. I want the right to work safely.
so you say unions cause havoc for all what do you base this on??
at present in the media- Quantas is being held to ransom by unions and the LABOR government is instructing all to negotiate .
reality is more that Qantas made a large profit last year but insists that it needs to shed thousands of employees. sending jobs overseas. ( isnt that one of your anti carbon tax complaints)
http://www.news.com.au/business/qantas- ... 6121001509
so the workers in their bid to negotiate with the company have only one barganing chip THEIR LABOR and have threatened on quite a few occasions to remove it. its their right.
Bla bla bla....
If provoked will strike, touch one touch all, no ticket no start bla bla bla.
Not talking Qantas, in general okay.
The union members on Vic's desal plant have links to outlaw bikie gangs.
A lot of building unionists are thugs that intimidate others.
I can't wait for the Liberal party to be in charge to put an end to your party.
Now stop causing havoc for innocent travelers and get back to work.
I'm not sure this is the case anymore. It certainly was the case. I find Unions get in the way of safety just as much if not more than management now.
This may be said to be true in big companies, usually with an entrenched union in place.
however a lot of small business's have very much less safety, probably as a resullt of unions being not used/allowed in those conditions
As I see it, the problem is that many established unions are businesses unto themselves. They collect dues and pay their corporate structure obscene amounts of money to 'negotiate' for their workers. While unions can certainly do good, like much of corporate America they can also be corrupted and ignore the basic rights of their constituency. Unfortunately, while unions are quick to accuse their employers of acting in bad faith, many unions will do the same thing standing up for woefully negligent employees who refuse to do an adequate job.
Unions still have a place in the workplace, but they are far from perfect.
i think most in MN operate that way. Right to work states are a big republican goal.
It isn't union specific it is state specific.
I cannot do the same at my job. I either pay 35 a month for no raises for 4 years and for crappy people to keep their jobs over good ones, or I pay 47 as a full member so I can vote on the crappy plans that save crappy people.
It doesn't matter, either way it is more money for the union to give 87 million dollars to candidates I don't agree with...Something seems very wrong with allowing one group to spend that much money...I don't know much about campaign finance, but this seems wrong to me.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Who said anything about closing unions? Who said we need to reduce salaries? I love the extremes folks will go to tyring to make a point only to make themselves look silly.
Let the unions perform. And let folks decide if they want to participate or not. How easy and American is that?
High perfomers would actually see their compensation go up.
right wingers basically say this all of the time...they share an opinion with AH :?
read much??
"We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation..."
who proclaimed this in 1925? who seems to be proclaiming this now?
seriously, if you think the right wing in the United states resembles the Nazi party, I don't know what to tell you.
I cannot help but be reminded of a quote from Animal House in response to this kind of thinking.
The only people who are nazis in the united states are nazis.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
And for the record, I'm not anti-union. I happen to think the good outweighs the bad in an overwhelming majority of the cases. I just hate when people resort to throwing around Hitler references to make their opinion seem better than someone else's and it's the sort of thing that made me avoid this forum for a few years since it seemed like we were assured of multiple references per day for a while.
I am of the mindset that if we had the right to choose unions would be more effective. This is why I believe the government here in Canada, business and unions have no problems with people automatically be enrolled in unions.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.
1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.
2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.
3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.
4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!
5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!
You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!
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thats probably the best post Ive read. yep unions are far from perfect. but at the workshop level we do have good representation. upper levelin unions are crap. I cannot stand how they send kids out of uni to come talk to us sometimes, never worked in industry at all, so how can the begin to understand our issues.
we hoever vote on what we want in our negotiations. with their advice