Unions

davidtrios

they basically share the same opinion

read much??

Jason P

Davidtrios wrote:

right wingers basically say this all of the time...they share an opinion with AH :?

I believe Hitler loved dogs also.

mikepegg44

Davidtrios wrote:

they basically share the same opinion

read much??

"We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation..."

who proclaimed this in 1925? who seems to be proclaiming this now?



seriously, if you think the right wing in the United states resembles the Nazi party, I don't know what to tell you.
I cannot help but be reminded of a quote from Animal House in response to this kind of thinking.

The only people who are nazis in the united states are nazis.

Monster Rain

I'm a very good reader, thank you for asking. Despite my ability to understand words on pages and computer screens, I'm just not very familiar with anyone in recent memory saying that unions should have their money taken away and their leaders thrown in prison and salaries cut. You see, that's the scary part of the quote. Even if you want to say that you were only referring to the part that says to close unions down, you still haven't shown an example of someone advocating that. You say that right-wingers "basically" say it all the time, so I guess it should be easy to find. Surely, a political candidate has run on that platform or there are hundreds of books on the subject. I don't read those types of books, so maybe you could enlighten me so I know who the crazies are. You invoked Hitler in order to make any opposing opinion seem worthless.

And for the record, I'm not anti-union. I happen to think the good outweighs the bad in an overwhelming majority of the cases. I just hate when people resort to throwing around Hitler references to make their opinion seem better than someone else's and it's the sort of thing that made me avoid this forum for a few years since it seemed like we were assured of multiple references per day for a while.

Davidtrios wrote:

they basically share the same opinion

read much??

Monster Rain

And actresses! My God, everyone in Hollywood is a Nazi! From now on I'm only watching reality shows.

Jason P wrote:

Davidtrios wrote:

right wingers basically say this all of the time...they share an opinion with AH :?

I believe Hitler loved dogs also.

ajedigecko

Jason P wrote:

Davidtrios wrote:

right wingers basically say this all of the time...they share an opinion with AH :?

I believe Hitler loved dogs also.

and chocolate...and coffee......and music.

Thoughts_Arrive

Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.

lukin2006

I can't speak of all unions...can only speak of the union I'm in (CUPE)...it's an absolute joke, if I had the choice I would not be a member.

I am of the mindset that if we had the right to choose unions would be more effective. This is why I believe the government here in Canada, business and unions have no problems with people automatically be enrolled in unions.

Austicman

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!



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ONCE DEVIDED

blueandwhite wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

mookieb10 wrote:

Although i will agree that one strength of unions is creating safer working conditions.

I'm not sure this is the case anymore. It certainly was the case. I find Unions get in the way of safety just as much if not more than management now.

As I see it, the problem is that many established unions are businesses unto themselves. They collect dues and pay their corporate structure obscene amounts of money to 'negotiate' for their workers. While unions can certainly do good, like much of corporate America they can also be corrupted and ignore the basic rights of their constituency. Unfortunately, while unions are quick to accuse their employers of acting in bad faith, many unions will do the same thing standing up for woefully negligent employees who refuse to do an adequate job.

Unions still have a place in the workplace, but they are far from perfect.

thats probably the best post Ive read. yep unions are far from perfect. but at the workshop level we do have good representation. upper levelin unions are crap. I cannot stand how they send kids out of uni to come talk to us sometimes, never worked in industry at all, so how can the begin to understand our issues.
we hoever vote on what we want in our negotiations. with their advice

ONCE DEVIDED

Austicman wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!
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another greaat post
thoughts arrive is text book Liberal baiter so dont worry. i think you squashed that taunbt

know1

inmytree wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Why is it bad to allow workers to opt out of being part of a union and keep their jobs?

And, why are unions so afraid of allowing folks to exercise free will?

and why are companies afraid to allow workers to join or form a union...?

Because they know it will likely make them uncompetitive and will cause them to either shut down or move the jobs somewhere else.

Thoughts_Arrive

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Austicman wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.

1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.

2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.

3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.

4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!

5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!

You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!
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another greaat post
thoughts arrive is text book Liberal baiter so dont worry. i think you squashed that taunbt

Your government is dying of shame, remember that.

ONCE DEVIDED

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Your government is dying of shame, remember that.

Mate
they will probably go down at next election. But in their term they have and are doing
Created the strongest carbon tax plan in the world
creating plans that will limit problem gambling
brought in plain packaging on cigerettes
establishing a national broadband network
taxing the mega rich miners at higher rates so we can spread the cost of ots effects on our economy

GOT RID OF FUCKING WORKCHOICES

so yep maybe they will go. that is true but at least some great programs are in place. the greens have the power in the senate for 6 more years. so the libs will not be able to change all that much. except through negotiation. somthing it seems Abbott cannot do

by the way I voted Independent in the house and green in the senate. So labor are not my party.

heidihi

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Mate
they will probably go down at next election. But in their term they have and are doing
Created the strongest carbon tax plan in the world
creating plans that will limit problem gambling
brought in plain packaging on cigerettes
establishing a national broadband network
taxing the mega rich miners at higher rates so we can spread the cost of ots effects on our economy

GOT RID OF FUCKING WORKCHOICES

Such an amazingly true post... Australians are so busy worrying about themselves that they cannot see the good that this government is doing (I am an independent voter as well) some really positive stuff..... and I am starting to think that many Australians deserve Abbott!!

On the Qantas grounding .... I am really sick of the union bashing..... These people are protecting their jobs and their working conditions....... It is ludicrous that a CEO of a company can take a huge bonus while workers jobs are being sent off shore. Between the expenses of the stop overs (I have friends bragging that they got 4 extra days in Japan on Quantas) and the CEO's bonus; surely they can at least keep their jobs within Australia.... GGGGGGRRRRR - Without collective bargaining the average worker would be screwed!

Thoughts_Arrive

Pffffft...
Assylum Seekers....FAIL
Off-shore processing....FAIL
Insulation Scheme......FAIL
Qantas saga....FAIL

Oh and the carbon tax is the biggest fking joke ever, cannot believe you support it.

ONCE DEVIDED

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Pffffft...
Assylum Seekers....FAIL
Off-shore processing....FAIL
Insulation Scheme......FAIL
Qantas saga....FAIL

Oh and the carbon tax is the biggest fking joke ever, cannot believe you support it.[/quote

Assylum seekers- should be allowed in . Stop being so bloody selfish
offshore processing- does italy do offshore processing . shit they get what we get in 1 year in 1 week.

Insulation scheme. great scheme badly run. you get that when you rush it. regardless labor didnt install dodgy insulation---- dodgy installers did

quantas. Nothing to do with government.
fair work australia dealt with the issue.
oh thats right Joce wanted the PM to tell him to not shut down the airline. using an untested law that even the libs never used
just in the news FAT BOYmember from north sydney said last night he knew for weeks that Qantas was shutting down the airline. sound like collusion between libs and Qantas execs .


blah blah blah .
its so funny that even though abbotts team got more votes than labor, they still couldnt get into power. shows the ability of abbot

ONCE DEVIDED

Carbon tax
cant beleive i support it.
I support that its a start. its far from perfect
I am not looking fwd to more costs but Im aware that I DO POLLUTE. and that its not a fucking right

I look fwd to libs getting in and not being able to tear it apart. they will have to negotiate with the greens in the senate ( thats why i voted them there) they will get changes but not destroy it. and after that they will not get rid of it later
cause John Howard agreed to carbon tax, so did abbot, so did Turnbull
3 of liberals last 3 leaders agree that taxing carbon is the way to go
oh thats right abbott dosnt anymore, cause thats what got him to be leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74

Thoughts_Arrive

Asylum seekers should not queue jump.....

ONCE DEVIDED

queue jump.....
what the british and irish who deliberately overstay their visa to work and live what are they.
oh thats right tey are white aint they. there not different to you
XENOPHOBIA WHY