Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.
1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.
2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.
3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.
4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!
5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!
You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!
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another greaat post
thoughts arrive is text book Liberal baiter so dont worry. i think you squashed that taunbt
Thank you to the idiotic unionists for bringing Australia's national airline to its knees.
Don't let the truth get in the way of a good 'ol union bash.
1) AIPA union have not and are not striking. Not a single pilot has striked and not a single pilot has caused any delays. The only action they have done is wearing red ties and passenger inflight announcements. They have been locked out for this behaviour.
2) The dispute regarding pilots is long haul only. Domestic short haul are not involved and their agreement isn't up for renewal till next year. Yet, Joyce has locked them all out too. Grounding the most profitable part of Qantas, it's domestic operations.
3) The dispute is NOT about pay, although all three unions are only asking for pay rises within CPI spread out over 3 years. The reason the 'negotiations' aren't going anywhere is because the unions don't want Qantas turned into a low cost Asia based airline, cut up and destroyed and an Australian icon ruined. The engineers and pilots are concerned about YOUR safety and the reputation and longevity of the Qantas brand which they are all very loyal too.
4) Alan Joyce was on the Ansett board and destroyed it and he's doing the same to Qantas, don't believe the media spin he is putting on things. The company is not in 'dire' circumstances as he claims, they have actually posted one of their best profits in the last decade, doubling their profit yearly. Also, if they were really in 'dire' circumstances, any decent leader would not have accepted a 71% pay increase like Joyce did on Friday. Yes he took his $5 million dollar pay and then less than 24hrs turned around and grounded the airline.... that's taking your money and running in a whole new light isn't it?!
5) The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months, Joyce's grounding is going on 24 hours.... The union strikes all were done with 72 hours notice and with least impact to passengers, less than 3% of flights were effected. Joyce's grounding has obviously affected 100% of flights. If you are pissed about your flight interruptions, Joyce is the man to be pissed at, not the unions!!!
You don't find is at all suss that a guy involved with Ansett's demise is the Qantas CEO?!?!
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another greaat post
thoughts arrive is text book Liberal baiter so dont worry. i think you squashed that taunbt
Your government is dying of shame, remember that.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Mate
they will probably go down at next election. But in their term they have and are doing
Created the strongest carbon tax plan in the world
creating plans that will limit problem gambling
brought in plain packaging on cigerettes
establishing a national broadband network
taxing the mega rich miners at higher rates so we can spread the cost of ots effects on our economy
GOT RID OF FUCKING WORKCHOICES
so yep maybe they will go. that is true but at least some great programs are in place. the greens have the power in the senate for 6 more years. so the libs will not be able to change all that much. except through negotiation. somthing it seems Abbott cannot do
by the way I voted Independent in the house and green in the senate. So labor are not my party.
Mate
they will probably go down at next election. But in their term they have and are doing
Created the strongest carbon tax plan in the world
creating plans that will limit problem gambling
brought in plain packaging on cigerettes
establishing a national broadband network
taxing the mega rich miners at higher rates so we can spread the cost of ots effects on our economy
GOT RID OF FUCKING WORKCHOICES
Such an amazingly true post... Australians are so busy worrying about themselves that they cannot see the good that this government is doing (I am an independent voter as well) some really positive stuff..... and I am starting to think that many Australians deserve Abbott!!
On the Qantas grounding .... I am really sick of the union bashing..... These people are protecting their jobs and their working conditions....... It is ludicrous that a CEO of a company can take a huge bonus while workers jobs are being sent off shore. Between the expenses of the stop overs (I have friends bragging that they got 4 extra days in Japan on Quantas) and the CEO's bonus; surely they can at least keep their jobs within Australia.... GGGGGGRRRRR - Without collective bargaining the average worker would be screwed!
“The human race has only one really effective weapon and that is laughter.” Mark Twain
Oh and the carbon tax is the biggest fking joke ever, cannot believe you support it.[/quote
Assylum seekers- should be allowed in . Stop being so bloody selfish
offshore processing- does italy do offshore processing . shit they get what we get in 1 year in 1 week.
Insulation scheme. great scheme badly run. you get that when you rush it. regardless labor didnt install dodgy insulation---- dodgy installers did
quantas. Nothing to do with government.
fair work australia dealt with the issue.
oh thats right Joce wanted the PM to tell him to not shut down the airline. using an untested law that even the libs never used
just in the news FAT BOYmember from north sydney said last night he knew for weeks that Qantas was shutting down the airline. sound like collusion between libs and Qantas execs .
blah blah blah .
its so funny that even though abbotts team got more votes than labor, they still couldnt get into power. shows the ability of abbot
Carbon tax
cant beleive i support it.
I support that its a start. its far from perfect
I am not looking fwd to more costs but Im aware that I DO POLLUTE. and that its not a fucking right
I look fwd to libs getting in and not being able to tear it apart. they will have to negotiate with the greens in the senate ( thats why i voted them there) they will get changes but not destroy it. and after that they will not get rid of it later
cause John Howard agreed to carbon tax, so did abbot, so did Turnbull
3 of liberals last 3 leaders agree that taxing carbon is the way to go
oh thats right abbott dosnt anymore, cause thats what got him to be leader http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74
queue jump.....
what the british and irish who deliberately overstay their visa to work and live what are they.
oh thats right tey are white aint they. there not different to you
XENOPHOBIA WHY
queue jump.....
what the british and irish who deliberately overstay their visa to work and live what are they.
oh thats right tey are white aint they. there not different to you
XENOPHOBIA WHY
We're populated enough, don't need more.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
I can't speak of all unions...can only speak of the union I'm in (CUPE)...it's an absolute joke, if I had the choice I would not be a member.
I am of the mindset that if we had the right to choose unions would be more effective. This is why I believe the government here in Canada, business and unions have no problems with people automatically be enrolled in unions.
For the job I had in high school I had to be a CUPE member. It was brutal. It was super aggravating knowing that there were people who were clearly terrible at their jobs but since they were in the same pay grade as me there were making just as much as me and thanks to collective bargaining there was nothing I could do about it.
At least in Canada unions aren’t allowed to make donations to political parties. I have read about that happening in the US and it seems super crooked that unions can make donations to the politicians that have the authority to give them raises.
I can't speak of all unions...can only speak of the union I'm in (CUPE)...it's an absolute joke, if I had the choice I would not be a member.
I am of the mindset that if we had the right to choose unions would be more effective. This is why I believe the government here in Canada, business and unions have no problems with people automatically be enrolled in unions.
For the job I had in high school I had to be a CUPE member. It was brutal. It was super aggravating knowing that there were people who were clearly terrible at their jobs but since they were in the same pay grade as me there were making just as much as me and thanks to collective bargaining there was nothing I could do about it.
At least in Canada unions aren’t allowed to make donations to political parties. I have read about that happening in the US and it seems super crooked that unions can make donations to the politicians that have the authority to give them raises.
if you allow corporate donations, then Unions should be allowed to donate as well. Mine was the largest offender in 2010, giving 87 million. Ridiculous and if I could I would not give them a dime. But I like my job so I will continue until MN passes a right to work bill. Personally I would like to see all of it go away and only allow debates during campaigns paid for by the US government (house and senate) and the networks that carry them (general and primary presidential coverage)
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
queue jump.....
what the british and irish who deliberately overstay their visa to work and live what are they.
oh thats right tey are white aint they. there not different to you
XENOPHOBIA WHY
We're populated enough, don't need more.
populated enough
hahahahah
get real mate
there are cities in this world who have more people in it then our entire country
populated enough so that the liberal gov gave out the baby bonus. that the tresurer p costello said have 1 child for yourself and 1 for the country
mate you sure like to put out your stuff ( or more the case liberal stuff)
and thats all good.
but I notice a distinct lack of argument to back your thoughts
your arument to this point is
blah blah blah and you get real
Dont worry, I do enjoy brushing away comments with fact but a decent discussion could be had
if you allow corporate donations, then Unions should be allowed to donate as well. Mine was the largest offender in 2010, giving 87 million. Ridiculous and if I could I would not give them a dime. But I like my job so I will continue until MN passes a right to work bill. Personally I would like to see all of it go away and only allow debates during campaigns paid for by the US government (house and senate) and the networks that carry them (general and primary presidential coverage)
Of course, the real question is should corporate donations be allowed in the first place? The idea that a corporate entity can legally subvert the political process for its own gain is really unsettling. How can you have a legitimate democracy if corporate entities can literally buy candidates. Personally I'm still shocked that the US Supreme Court labeled corporations as being people under the law. That's utter nonsense! I can understand the pseudo person argument, but to say that a corporation should have a voice in the political sphere is just terrifying.
mate you sure like to put out your stuff ( or more the case liberal stuff)
and thats all good.
but I notice a distinct lack of argument to back your thoughts
your arument to this point is
blah blah blah and you get real
Dont worry, I do enjoy brushing away comments with fact but a decent discussion could be had
I stated my opinions above, end of.
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
My union blows donkey nuts... 29$ a week just so they can throw keg parties once a month, f'n pricks are worthless. I would get out of this union at the drop of a hat .... If I wasn't locked in.
if you allow corporate donations, then Unions should be allowed to donate as well. Mine was the largest offender in 2010, giving 87 million. Ridiculous and if I could I would not give them a dime. But I like my job so I will continue until MN passes a right to work bill. Personally I would like to see all of it go away and only allow debates during campaigns paid for by the US government (house and senate) and the networks that carry them (general and primary presidential coverage)
Of course, the real question is should corporate donations be allowed in the first place? The idea that a corporate entity can legally subvert the political process for its own gain is really unsettling. How can you have a legitimate democracy if corporate entities can literally buy candidates. Personally I'm still shocked that the US Supreme Court labeled corporations as being people under the law. That's utter nonsense! I can understand the pseudo person argument, but to say that a corporation should have a voice in the political sphere is just terrifying.
agreed.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I can't speak of all unions...can only speak of the union I'm in (CUPE)...it's an absolute joke, if I had the choice I would not be a member.
I am of the mindset that if we had the right to choose unions would be more effective. This is why I believe the government here in Canada, business and unions have no problems with people automatically be enrolled in unions.
For the job I had in high school I had to be a CUPE member. It was brutal. It was super aggravating knowing that there were people who were clearly terrible at their jobs but since they were in the same pay grade as me there were making just as much as me and thanks to collective bargaining there was nothing I could do about it.
At least in Canada unions aren’t allowed to make donations to political parties. I have read about that happening in the US and it seems super crooked that unions can make donations to the politicians that have the authority to give them raises.
if you allow corporate donations, then Unions should be allowed to donate as well. Mine was the largest offender in 2010, giving 87 million. Ridiculous and if I could I would not give them a dime. But I like my job so I will continue until MN passes a right to work bill. Personally I would like to see all of it go away and only allow debates during campaigns paid for by the US government (house and senate) and the networks that carry them (general and primary presidential coverage)
Both unions and corporations donating to politicians is crooked, but I think unions, at least public employee unions donating is a whole other level of crookedness since they are directly donating to the people who approve their salary. At least with corporations they are only donating on the event that the governement might help them out. But both are crooked which is why I am glad both are not allowed in Canada. Only individuals are allowed to donate, and only a couple hundred bucks to the fedaral party and then the same amount to their local candidate.
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thoughts arrive is text book Liberal baiter so dont worry. i think you squashed that taunbt
Because they know it will likely make them uncompetitive and will cause them to either shut down or move the jobs somewhere else.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Your government is dying of shame, remember that.
Mate
they will probably go down at next election. But in their term they have and are doing
Created the strongest carbon tax plan in the world
creating plans that will limit problem gambling
brought in plain packaging on cigerettes
establishing a national broadband network
taxing the mega rich miners at higher rates so we can spread the cost of ots effects on our economy
GOT RID OF FUCKING WORKCHOICES
so yep maybe they will go. that is true but at least some great programs are in place. the greens have the power in the senate for 6 more years. so the libs will not be able to change all that much. except through negotiation. somthing it seems Abbott cannot do
by the way I voted Independent in the house and green in the senate. So labor are not my party.
Such an amazingly true post... Australians are so busy worrying about themselves that they cannot see the good that this government is doing (I am an independent voter as well) some really positive stuff..... and I am starting to think that many Australians deserve Abbott!!
On the Qantas grounding .... I am really sick of the union bashing..... These people are protecting their jobs and their working conditions....... It is ludicrous that a CEO of a company can take a huge bonus while workers jobs are being sent off shore. Between the expenses of the stop overs (I have friends bragging that they got 4 extra days in Japan on Quantas) and the CEO's bonus; surely they can at least keep their jobs within Australia.... GGGGGGRRRRR - Without collective bargaining the average worker would be screwed!
Assylum Seekers....FAIL
Off-shore processing....FAIL
Insulation Scheme......FAIL
Qantas saga....FAIL
Oh and the carbon tax is the biggest fking joke ever, cannot believe you support it.
cant beleive i support it.
I support that its a start. its far from perfect
I am not looking fwd to more costs but Im aware that I DO POLLUTE. and that its not a fucking right
I look fwd to libs getting in and not being able to tear it apart. they will have to negotiate with the greens in the senate ( thats why i voted them there) they will get changes but not destroy it. and after that they will not get rid of it later
cause John Howard agreed to carbon tax, so did abbot, so did Turnbull
3 of liberals last 3 leaders agree that taxing carbon is the way to go
oh thats right abbott dosnt anymore, cause thats what got him to be leader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74
what the british and irish who deliberately overstay their visa to work and live what are they.
oh thats right tey are white aint they. there not different to you
XENOPHOBIA WHY
We're populated enough, don't need more.
For the job I had in high school I had to be a CUPE member. It was brutal. It was super aggravating knowing that there were people who were clearly terrible at their jobs but since they were in the same pay grade as me there were making just as much as me and thanks to collective bargaining there was nothing I could do about it.
At least in Canada unions aren’t allowed to make donations to political parties. I have read about that happening in the US and it seems super crooked that unions can make donations to the politicians that have the authority to give them raises.
if you allow corporate donations, then Unions should be allowed to donate as well. Mine was the largest offender in 2010, giving 87 million. Ridiculous and if I could I would not give them a dime. But I like my job so I will continue until MN passes a right to work bill. Personally I would like to see all of it go away and only allow debates during campaigns paid for by the US government (house and senate) and the networks that carry them (general and primary presidential coverage)
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Not nearly the amount of shame that I felt watching John Howard kiss George W's arse at every available opportunity.
populated enough
hahahahah
get real mate
there are cities in this world who have more people in it then our entire country
populated enough so that the liberal gov gave out the baby bonus. that the tresurer p costello said have 1 child for yourself and 1 for the country
yep
mate you sure like to put out your stuff ( or more the case liberal stuff)
and thats all good.
but I notice a distinct lack of argument to back your thoughts
your arument to this point is
blah blah blah and you get real
Dont worry, I do enjoy brushing away comments with fact but a decent discussion could be had
Of course, the real question is should corporate donations be allowed in the first place? The idea that a corporate entity can legally subvert the political process for its own gain is really unsettling. How can you have a legitimate democracy if corporate entities can literally buy candidates. Personally I'm still shocked that the US Supreme Court labeled corporations as being people under the law. That's utter nonsense! I can understand the pseudo person argument, but to say that a corporation should have a voice in the political sphere is just terrifying.
I stated my opinions above, end of.
agreed.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Both unions and corporations donating to politicians is crooked, but I think unions, at least public employee unions donating is a whole other level of crookedness since they are directly donating to the people who approve their salary. At least with corporations they are only donating on the event that the governement might help them out. But both are crooked which is why I am glad both are not allowed in Canada. Only individuals are allowed to donate, and only a couple hundred bucks to the fedaral party and then the same amount to their local candidate.