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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,624
    23scidoo said:

    kce8 said:

    23scidoo said:

    We are lazy??????..we work more than you do..and who is fucker is well know in Europe..we are not friends with nazis..

    http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-european-workers-who-work-the-longest-hours--xycGVDQ36g

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/dec/08/europe-working-hours

    Man this is sooo unnecessary....
    Maybe you right..maybe..
    MAYBE ?
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,065
    What is happen now in Europe its the 4th reich for me..if you can see behide the words..

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-power-in-the-age-of-the-euro-crisis-a-1024714.html

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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,624
    This exactly isn´t helping either way...
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,065
    this is the boss in Europe??
    from Wiki..

    CDU Party Chairman, 1998–2000[edit]
    After the CDU was defeated in the 1998 federal election, Schäuble succeeded Helmut Kohl as chairman of the CDU. Only 15 months later,[10] he resigned from this post as well as from the leadership of the CDU/CSU parliamentary group in 2000 in the wake of the party financing scandal, over the acceptance of cash donation over DM 100,000 contributed by the arms dealer and lobbyist Karlheinz Schreiber back in 1994.[11] Schäuble's resignation initiated a generational change among the Christian Democrats, with Angela Merkel taking over as CDU leader and Friedrich Merz as chairman of the CDU/CSU parliamentary group.

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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,624
    What do you want to tell me?

    That you blame Germany for all the shit ???
    That´s what happening now, and for what is it good for? Do you want me to search for corruption in Greece? I will not do this. And bringing back the Nazi shit will always shut us down for everything. Man, that will not help, this shit is just forcing hate between folks.
    Do you really think stuff like this is necessary? I will not say one f..king damn bad word about Greece.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,065
    kce8 said:

    What do you want to tell me?

    That you blame Germany for all the shit ???
    That´s what happening now, and for what is it good for? Do you want me to search for corruption in Greece? I will not do this. And bringing back the Nazi shit will always shut us down for everything. Man, that will not help, this shit is just forcing hate between folks.
    Do you really think stuff like this is necessary? I will not say one f..king damn bad word about Greece.

    Ofcourse i don't blame Germany for all..i know exactly what happen to my country..we have the biggest blame..but we don't need this situation..we need help, we don't beg..it's Europe's responsibility to help us..but with humans terms..and about the article about their power, it was their words, not mine..and no hate from side for anyone here..i didn't call anyone fucker..
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  • RideRickRideRick HoornPosts: 687
    Pap said:



    So lame. Obviously you know nothing about the pension system in Greece, but that didn't stop you from repeating a cheap and invalid stereotype. Could you please tell me where was the crisis first originated from in 2008?

    If you could tell me why the crisis did not start since 1981 in Greece I will explain you that it not started in 2008
    And yes... the pension was an average of 62 in Greece. But the biggest problem was that a lot of civilworkers could get the pension at 55. Your country grew older and got fewer kids to be born.
    An old people country will run into bankruptcies due to lesser people who put in money in the system.
    Old people retire and will only cost money. What is your average age nowadays?
    Your rich people in Greece have more money then any other country in Europe. They have the power to put money inside it's own inhibitors but as rich people always do... they don't give a fuck for the poor.




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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Fellow PJ fans know this is emotional and sucks all around. LETS DISCUSS SOLUTIONS. Always the rich that benefit on all sides. And they want to divide and conquer.

    What's next? How can this get better. ?
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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    edited July 2015
    RideRick said:

    Pap said:



    So lame. Obviously you know nothing about the pension system in Greece, but that didn't stop you from repeating a cheap and invalid stereotype. Could you please tell me where was the crisis first originated from in 2008?

    If you could tell me why the crisis did not start since 1981 in Greece I will explain you that it not started in 2008
    And yes... the pension was an average of 62 in Greece. But the biggest problem was that a lot of civilworkers could get the pension at 55. Your country grew older and got fewer kids to be born.
    An old people country will run into bankruptcies due to lesser people who put in money in the system.
    Old people retire and will only cost money. What is your average age nowadays?
    Your rich people in Greece have more money then any other country in Europe. They have the power to put money inside it's own inhibitors but as rich people always do... they don't give a fuck for the poor.
    You just answered my question. The crisis was officially originated from the US - Lehman Brothers' golden boys and so on - who also prepared and financially aided a certain parliamentary party to gradually decompose Greece. Their American raised leader used to collaborate closely with a secret agency before he became Prime Minister for 11 years.

    You're simply describing the situation in Greece. I think now you know who created and currently maintains all this mess. Certainly not me. I'm one of the 400.000 young Greeks who left their country without their consent.

    We agree on the fact that there are many pathogeneses in our civil sector which the politicians - families who have been ruling this country for the last 40 years are mostly responsible for. However, factory workers (private sector) and street cleaners (public sector) among many others are allowed to retire a little bit earlier due to hard and unhealthy working conditions. I think that's fair enough. So, not every single Greek worker is a cheater.

    You also pointed out the low birth rates in Greece. I would say that that's also part of their major plan. Food for thought...

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  • On the Euro Summit’s Statement on Greece: First thoughts
    Posted on July 14, 2015 by Yanis Varoufakis

    In the next hours and days, I shall be sitting in Parliament to assess the legislation that is part of the recent Euro Summit agreement on Greece. I am also looking forward to hearing in person from my comrades, Alexis Tsipras and Euclid Tsakalotos, who have been through so much over the past few days. Till then, I shall reserve judgment regarding the legislation before us. Meanwhile, here are some first, impressionistic thoughts stirred up by the Euro Summit’s Statement.

    *A New Versailles Treaty is haunting Europe – I used that expression back in the Spring of 2010 to describe the first Greek ‘bailout’ that was being prepared at that time. If that allegory was pertinent then it is, sadly, all too germane now.

    *Never before has the European Union made a decision that undermines so fundamentally the project of European Integration. Europe’s leaders, in treating Alexis Tsipras and our government the way they did, dealt a decisive blow against the European project.

    *The project of European integration has, indeed, been fatally wounded over the past few days. And as Paul Krugman rightly says, whatever you think of Syriza, or Greece, it wasn’t the Greeks or Syriza who killed off the dream of a democratic, united Europe.

    *Back in 1971 Nick Kaldor, the noted Cambridge economist, had warned that forging monetary union before a political union was possible would lead not only to a failed monetary union but also to the deconstruction of the European political project. Later on, in 1999, German-British sociologist Ralf Dahrendorf also warned that economic and monetary union would split rather than unite Europe. All these years I hoped that they were wrong. Now, the powers that be in Brussels, in Berlin and in Frankfurt have conspired to prove them right.

    *The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning reads like a document committing to paper Greece’s Terms of Surrender. It is meant as a statement confirming that Greece acquiesces to becoming a vassal of the Eurogroup.

    *The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning has nothing to do with economics, nor with any concern for the type of reform agenda capable of lifting Greece out of its mire. It is purely and simply a manifestation of the politics of humiliation in action. Even if one loathes our government one must see that the Eurogroup’s list of demands represents a major departure from decency and reason.

    *The Euro Summit statement of yesterday morning signalled a complete annulment of national Insovereignty, without putting in its place a supra-national, pan-European, sovereign body politic. Europeans, even those who give not a damn for Greece, ought to beware.

    *Much energy is expended by the media on whether the Terms of Surrender will pass through Greek Parliament, and in particular on whether MPs like myself will toe the line and vote in favour of the relevant legislation. I do not think this is the most interesting of questions. The crucial question is: Does the Greek economy stand any chance of recovery under these terms? This is the question that will preoccupy me during the Parliamentary sessions that follow in the next hours and days. The greatest worry is that even a complete surrender on our part would lead to a deepening of the never-ending crisis.

    *The recent Euro Summit is indeed nothing short of the culmination of a coup. In 1967 it was the tanks that foreign powers used to end Greek democracy. In my interview with Philip Adams, on ABC Radio National’s LNL, I claimed that in 2015 another coup was staged by foreign powers using, instead of tanks, Greece’s banks. Perhaps the main economic difference is that, whereas in 1967 Greece’s public property was not targeted, in 2015 the powers behind the coup demanded the handing over of all remaining public assets, so that they would be put into the servicing of our un-payble, unsustainable debt.

    [Watch this space for detailed comments on the economics of the proposed legislation…]
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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 14,065
    Pap said:

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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786


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    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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  • kce8kce8 Posts: 1,624
    Thank you Pap for the videos!

    I think it's so important to see things through other coutries eyes.
    The world has to come together to help and solve these problems !!! Not only for the arriving refugees. We need to help the countries where all the people arrive too.
    And surely stop the reasons why they have to leave their home!!!

    It's just a shame what's happening in our world...and as usual most people just look away...as long as they are not directly concerned in person!

    PEACE !
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    edited October 2015
    Post edited by Pap on
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Dimi spending his money out of country on Pearl Jam.
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  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

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    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    > Generation E (expats)

    > Generation G (young, talented and Greek)

    > Generation We
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    image
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
  • PapPap Aspra Spitia, GreecePosts: 22,786
    image
    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    Were [Pearl] jammin
    I wanna [Pearl] jam it wid you.
    Were [Pearl] jammin, [Pearl] jammin
    And I hope you like [Pearl] jammin too.

    Sep 30, 2006 - OAKA Sports Hall - Athens, Greece
    Jul 11, 2014 - Milton Keynes Bowl - Milton Keynes, UK
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