Roll back the Bush tax cuts and end the wars today and it would still take us years to get out of debt, much less finance an additional program. Medicare and Social Security are insolvent because it's unsustainable to begin with and even more so when the life expectancy has increased by 30 years since they were instituted. You can't engineer a "strong middle class;" that only arises from a strong free market where large corporations are not operating with a safety net of our cash from their business partners in Washington.
so what is your solution?
and you CAN engineer a strong middle class by CREATING JOBS, which has not been done by anyone. especially in the private sector...
We need to stabilize the currency, eliminate redundant areas of the federal government that can/are being handled by the states, drastically reduce our military presence across the globe, allow interest rates to fluctuate in line with the market, and eliminate foreign aid to name a few things.
Republicans and Democrats alike use the term "job creation" like that's the bullseye. It's a red herring. You need to fix the system and employment will follow.
Even though your check says you're paying into "Social Security" or "Medicare" or "Health Care," it's ultimately fungible income that goes into the same pot. Health care is not an inalienable right by any stretch of the imagination. Look at the obesity rates in this country vs. the rest of the world; expecting the collective to shoulder that burden when we don't take care of ourselves is insanity.
i am not changing my position that health insurance and access to medical care is an inalienable right and should be universal for everyone. without good health and a way to maintain health, what the fuck good is the liberty and property?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Roll back the Bush tax cuts and end the wars today and it would still take us years to get out of debt, much less finance an additional program. Medicare and Social Security are insolvent because it's unsustainable to begin with and even more so when the life expectancy has increased by 30 years since they were instituted. You can't engineer a "strong middle class;" that only arises from a strong free market where large corporations are not operating with a safety net of our cash from their business partners in Washington.
so what is your solution?
and you CAN engineer a strong middle class by CREATING JOBS, which has not been done by anyone. especially in the private sector...
We need to stabilize the currency, eliminate redundant areas of the federal government that can/are being handled by the states, drastically reduce our military presence across the globe, allow interest rates to fluctuate in line with the market, and eliminate foreign aid to name a few things.
Republicans and Democrats alike use the term "job creation" like that's the bullseye. It's a red herring. You need to fix the system and employment will follow.
these are the same talking points i hear every day. conservatives spout these same tenets every day on here and you know what? none if it will ever get done. reduce our military presence? yeah right...what is ge and kbr going to think about that? those companies fund the re-election bids of your congresspeople. eliminate foreign aid? how is that going to work out if we cut foreign aid to israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, et al? where are we going to keep our troops and where are we going to launch our imperial attacks from? where are we going to get our oil from ? if we cut aid from the countries of the middle east they are going to tell us to "go dig your own oil".. it sounds all nice and great, but it won't ever happen.
who is the one talking "job creation"? the "job creators" are apparently the business people who are making prifits but not creating jobs. or if the jobs can not be created, but they exist on their own, these people are not filling those positions, yet they are the ones that the republicans claim to care so much about.. how can you incentivize them besides the tax breaks they already have?
how people making $20,000 a year can be a republican i will never ever know...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
and don't tell me that medicare and social security are insolvent, because if our government would stop "borrowing" from it we would have no issues with the funding...
And what gives you confidence that if we socialized health care, that we wouldn't "borrow" from that, too? If you agree that our government has botched two systems, why be willing to give them another?
I guess you are saying that Canada is a better country than yours? Or just better poeple governing?
So instead of trying to fix your government and make your country better, you would just rather give up?
Even though your check says you're paying into "Social Security" or "Medicare" or "Health Care," it's ultimately fungible income that goes into the same pot. Health care is not an inalienable right by any stretch of the imagination. Look at the obesity rates in this country vs. the rest of the world; expecting the collective to shoulder that burden when we don't take care of ourselves is insanity.
i am not changing my position that health insurance and access to medical care is an inalienable right and should be universal for everyone. without good health and a way to maintain health, what the fuck good is the liberty and property?
There are scores of ways to maintain good health that cost nothing and, apparently, at least 30.6% of Americans ignore completely.
these are the same talking points i hear every day. conservatives spout these same tenets every day on here and you know what? none if it will ever get done. reduce our military presence? yeah right...what is ge and kbr going to think about that? those companies fund the re-election bids of your congresspeople. eliminate foreign aid? how is that going to work out if we cut foreign aid to israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, et al? where are we going to keep our troops and where are we going to launch our imperial attacks from? where are we going to get our oil from ? if we cut aid from the countries of the middle east they are going to tell us to "go dig your own oil".. it sounds all nice and great, but it won't ever happen.
You realize there are candidates that actually run on this platform, right? If you're looking for solutions, supporting those candidates will get a lot more accomplished than cynicism.
these are the same talking points i hear every day. conservatives spout these same tenets every day on here and you know what? none if it will ever get done. reduce our military presence? yeah right...what is ge and kbr going to think about that? those companies fund the re-election bids of your congresspeople. eliminate foreign aid? how is that going to work out if we cut foreign aid to israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, et al? where are we going to keep our troops and where are we going to launch our imperial attacks from? where are we going to get our oil from ? if we cut aid from the countries of the middle east they are going to tell us to "go dig your own oil".. it sounds all nice and great, but it won't ever happen.
You realize there are candidates that actually run on this platform, right? If you're looking for solutions, supporting those candidates will get a lot more accomplished than cynicism.
yes i do, but if ron paul only has 20% support of the republican party how is he going to win a general election?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
how people making $20,000 a year can be a republican i will never ever know...
Why should someone's salary directly correlate to their politics? Ideally, you should shape your beliefs on what would most benefit your entire country, state, municipality, etc. A prosperous environment means more opportunities for you. Getting caught up in this whole "my team" vs. "your team" paradigm is a big part of why things are crumbling.
how people making $20,000 a year can be a republican i will never ever know...
Why should someone's salary directly correlate to their politics? Ideally, you should shape your beliefs on what would most benefit your entire country, state, municipality, etc. A prosperous environment means more opportunities for you. Getting caught up in this whole "my team" vs. "your team" paradigm is a big part of why things are crumbling.
because salary dictates your lifestyle. why would someone on the brink of poverty advocate for millionaires and billionaires and big business? because they constantly support things against their own interests, and that is what baffles me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
There are scores of ways to maintain good health that cost nothing and, apparently, at least 30.6% of Americans ignore completely.
such as?
Eating proper foods and in proper portions. It's exceptionally cheap to eat right. Exercise costs nothing if you walk/jog/run in your neighborhood and/or participate in weight-bearing exercises like push-ups. We eat, drink, smoke, and loaf our way to an obesity rate that is scores ahead of the rest of the world and that is the by far the largest reason for health care costs.
Even though your check says you're paying into "Social Security" or "Medicare" or "Health Care," it's ultimately fungible income that goes into the same pot. Health care is not an inalienable right by any stretch of the imagination. Look at the obesity rates in this country vs. the rest of the world; expecting the collective to shoulder that burden when we don't take care of ourselves is insanity.
i am not changing my position that health insurance and access to medical care is an inalienable right and should be universal for everyone. without good health and a way to maintain health, what the fuck good is the liberty and property?
There are scores of ways to maintain good health that cost nothing and, apparently, at least 30.6% of Americans ignore completely.
physical examinations cost money. medications cost money. tests cost money. stress tests and ekgs cost money, lab work to determine cholesterol levels and sugar levels and other diagnosic markers costs money, mammograms and pap smears cost money...these are all necessary to provide for a longer and healthier life.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
There are scores of ways to maintain good health that cost nothing and, apparently, at least 30.6% of Americans ignore completely.
such as?
Eating proper foods and in proper portions. It's exceptionally cheap to eat right. Exercise costs nothing if you walk/jog/run in your neighborhood and/or participate in weight-bearing exercises like push-ups. We eat, drink, smoke, and loaf our way to an obesity rate that is scores ahead of the rest of the world and that is the by far the largest reason for health care costs.
health maintenance is more than just physical activity and portion control...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
these are the same talking points i hear every day. conservatives spout these same tenets every day on here and you know what? none if it will ever get done. reduce our military presence? yeah right...what is ge and kbr going to think about that? those companies fund the re-election bids of your congresspeople. eliminate foreign aid? how is that going to work out if we cut foreign aid to israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, et al? where are we going to keep our troops and where are we going to launch our imperial attacks from? where are we going to get our oil from ? if we cut aid from the countries of the middle east they are going to tell us to "go dig your own oil".. it sounds all nice and great, but it won't ever happen.
You realize there are candidates that actually run on this platform, right? If you're looking for solutions, supporting those candidates will get a lot more accomplished than cynicism.
yes i do, but if ron paul only has 20% support of the republican party how is he going to win a general election?
20% is relative when it's in a field where no one else is above 25-30. The Republican primary would actually be a tougher test...Rasmussen showed him as the only Republican that would be in a virtual draw with Obama, head to head. And if you tend to lean left, there are plenty of folks on that side of the aisle who I would actually trust on that issue (Kucinich and Sanders to name a couple).
and don't tell me that medicare and social security are insolvent, because if our government would stop "borrowing" from it we would have no issues with the funding...
And what gives you confidence that if we socialized health care, that we wouldn't "borrow" from that, too? If you agree that our government has botched two systems, why be willing to give them another?
I guess you are saying that Canada is a better country than yours? Or just better poeple governing?
So instead of trying to fix your government and make your country better, you would just rather give up?
I don't live in Canada, so I can't speak to how well governed they are. I also don't know how strong their economy is or isn't. Who is giving up?
how people making $20,000 a year can be a republican i will never ever know...
Why should someone's salary directly correlate to their politics? Ideally, you should shape your beliefs on what would most benefit your entire country, state, municipality, etc. A prosperous environment means more opportunities for you. Getting caught up in this whole "my team" vs. "your team" paradigm is a big part of why things are crumbling.
because salary dictates your lifestyle. why would someone on the brink of poverty advocate for millionaires and billionaires and big business? because they constantly support things against their own interests, and that is what baffles me.
How silly is that narrative that you just laid out? One group of insanely rich people is trying to pilfer this country and the only thing stopping them is this other group of insanely rich people, who are the only ones looking out for the common man. Depending on which team you root for, that determines which of those groups is Republicans and which is Democrats.
physical examinations cost money. medications cost money. tests cost money. stress tests and ekgs cost money, lab work to determine cholesterol levels and sugar levels and other diagnosic markers costs money, mammograms and pap smears cost money...these are all necessary to provide for a longer and healthier life.
And not that much money. Next time you get a physical, look at what your plan paid out. Preventive screenings are not bleeding the system. It's the maintenance of diabetes, hypertension, hypercholestorelemia, the myriad of complications from smoking, etc. Stuff that we can prevent or even reverse and people flat out refuse to do it, because they see insurance as a safety net. It's called moral hazards.
20% is relative when it's in a field where no one else is above 25-30. The Republican primary would actually be a tougher test...Rasmussen showed him as the only Republican that would be in a virtual draw with Obama, head to head. And if you tend to lean left, there are plenty of folks on that side of the aisle who I would actually trust on that issue (Kucinich and Sanders to name a couple).
i agree with everything you said here, but i doubt that paul could sway the older voters who rely on medicare and social secruity to vote for him, especially when he feels that those programs should be obliterated.
kucinich should challenge obama since he is most likely going to lose his seat when his district of ohio is completely re-drawn, so he will have nothing to lose....i would like sanders to run, but he is an actual "democratic socailist" which the tea party called obama at all of their early rallies and those words "democratic socialist" would not appeal to many south of the mason-dixon line.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
How silly is that narrative that you just laid out? One group of insanely rich people is trying to pilfer this country and the only thing stopping them is this other group of insanely rich people, who are the only ones looking out for the common man. Depending on which team you root for, that determines which of those groups is Republicans and which is Democrats.
polls are showing that people favor the QWS stance on things and that people believe in what they stand for. quite frankly i do believe that obama and the democrats do have the interests of most people in mind, but they are called socialists and in favor of "big government" for trying to pass any measures to try to fix anything, so nothing that they want ever passes...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And not that much money. Next time you get a physical, look at what your plan paid out. Preventive screenings are not bleeding the system. It's the maintenance of diabetes, hypertension, hypercholestorelemia, the myriad of complications from smoking, etc. Stuff that we can prevent or even reverse and people flat out refuse to do it, because they see insurance as a safety net. It's called moral hazards.
annual physicals are called well visits and most times are not covered at the same percentage of sick visits. my annual physical is not. if the physicians i work for do an annual physical to clear people for sports and athletic participation it is not covered by insurance.
you are overlooking things like genetics. diabetes, mental illness, addictive personality disorder which leads to smoking and alchoholism, cholesterol levels, some heart diseases, are all genetic and run in the family.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Im not really a t party supporter, but i do have a brain and i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. Conditional upon this being true, this is wrong. It doesnt appear that our dear ruler has a fucking clue how to create conditions possible for economic success on a micro or marco level. But... Im assuming this story isnt true, if its not plastered all over the lib media, who love to kill the tp, then i dont think it can be. Its a good strategic fabrication though. I mean, look at the website that reported this.
This interview with Chris Hedges really nails down what this Wall Street protest is all about. I find it really incredible how most media outlets are really trying to propagate that most of these protesters are simply clueless sheep who have just shown up because they're too lazy or incompetent to land employment. It's startling when you consider that you get most of your news from giant corporate conglomerates that are doing everything in their power to discredit this issue.
This interview with Chris Hedges really nails down what this Wall Street protest is all about. I find it really incredible how most media outlets are really trying to propagate that most of these protesters are simply clueless sheep who have just shown up because they're too lazy or incompetent to land employment. It's startling when you consider that you get most of your news from giant corporate conglomerates that are doing everything in their power to discredit this issue.
O'Leary's an idiot and got his pee pee spanked after this
Im not really a t party supporter, but i do have a brain and i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. Conditional upon this being true, this is wrong. It doesnt appear that our dear ruler has a fucking clue how to create conditions possible for economic success on a micro or marco level. But... Im assuming this story isnt true, if its not plastered all over the lib media, who love to kill the tp, then i dont think it can be. Its a good strategic fabrication though. I mean, look at the website that reported this.
I went to her profile page and she owns birds ... she's obviously nuts. People that own birds are usually not relied upon for providing employment to the masses ... but they are good for ABC Friday night TV ratings.
I went to her profile page and she owns birds ... she's obviously nuts. People that own birds are usually not relied upon for providing employment to the masses ... but they are good for ABC Friday night TV ratings.
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We need to stabilize the currency, eliminate redundant areas of the federal government that can/are being handled by the states, drastically reduce our military presence across the globe, allow interest rates to fluctuate in line with the market, and eliminate foreign aid to name a few things.
Republicans and Democrats alike use the term "job creation" like that's the bullseye. It's a red herring. You need to fix the system and employment will follow.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
these are the same talking points i hear every day. conservatives spout these same tenets every day on here and you know what? none if it will ever get done. reduce our military presence? yeah right...what is ge and kbr going to think about that? those companies fund the re-election bids of your congresspeople. eliminate foreign aid? how is that going to work out if we cut foreign aid to israel, saudi arabia, pakistan, et al? where are we going to keep our troops and where are we going to launch our imperial attacks from? where are we going to get our oil from ? if we cut aid from the countries of the middle east they are going to tell us to "go dig your own oil".. it sounds all nice and great, but it won't ever happen.
who is the one talking "job creation"? the "job creators" are apparently the business people who are making prifits but not creating jobs. or if the jobs can not be created, but they exist on their own, these people are not filling those positions, yet they are the ones that the republicans claim to care so much about.. how can you incentivize them besides the tax breaks they already have?
how people making $20,000 a year can be a republican i will never ever know...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I guess you are saying that Canada is a better country than yours? Or just better poeple governing?
So instead of trying to fix your government and make your country better, you would just rather give up?
There are scores of ways to maintain good health that cost nothing and, apparently, at least 30.6% of Americans ignore completely.
You realize there are candidates that actually run on this platform, right? If you're looking for solutions, supporting those candidates will get a lot more accomplished than cynicism.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Why should someone's salary directly correlate to their politics? Ideally, you should shape your beliefs on what would most benefit your entire country, state, municipality, etc. A prosperous environment means more opportunities for you. Getting caught up in this whole "my team" vs. "your team" paradigm is a big part of why things are crumbling.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Eating proper foods and in proper portions. It's exceptionally cheap to eat right. Exercise costs nothing if you walk/jog/run in your neighborhood and/or participate in weight-bearing exercises like push-ups. We eat, drink, smoke, and loaf our way to an obesity rate that is scores ahead of the rest of the world and that is the by far the largest reason for health care costs.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
20% is relative when it's in a field where no one else is above 25-30. The Republican primary would actually be a tougher test...Rasmussen showed him as the only Republican that would be in a virtual draw with Obama, head to head. And if you tend to lean left, there are plenty of folks on that side of the aisle who I would actually trust on that issue (Kucinich and Sanders to name a couple).
I don't live in Canada, so I can't speak to how well governed they are. I also don't know how strong their economy is or isn't. Who is giving up?
How silly is that narrative that you just laid out? One group of insanely rich people is trying to pilfer this country and the only thing stopping them is this other group of insanely rich people, who are the only ones looking out for the common man. Depending on which team you root for, that determines which of those groups is Republicans and which is Democrats.
And not that much money. Next time you get a physical, look at what your plan paid out. Preventive screenings are not bleeding the system. It's the maintenance of diabetes, hypertension, hypercholestorelemia, the myriad of complications from smoking, etc. Stuff that we can prevent or even reverse and people flat out refuse to do it, because they see insurance as a safety net. It's called moral hazards.
kucinich should challenge obama since he is most likely going to lose his seat when his district of ohio is completely re-drawn, so he will have nothing to lose....i would like sanders to run, but he is an actual "democratic socailist" which the tea party called obama at all of their early rallies and those words "democratic socialist" would not appeal to many south of the mason-dixon line.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you are overlooking things like genetics. diabetes, mental illness, addictive personality disorder which leads to smoking and alchoholism, cholesterol levels, some heart diseases, are all genetic and run in the family.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/ ... urt-obama/
Im not really a t party supporter, but i do have a brain and i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. Conditional upon this being true, this is wrong. It doesnt appear that our dear ruler has a fucking clue how to create conditions possible for economic success on a micro or marco level. But... Im assuming this story isnt true, if its not plastered all over the lib media, who love to kill the tp, then i dont think it can be. Its a good strategic fabrication though. I mean, look at the website that reported this.
This interview with Chris Hedges really nails down what this Wall Street protest is all about. I find it really incredible how most media outlets are really trying to propagate that most of these protesters are simply clueless sheep who have just shown up because they're too lazy or incompetent to land employment. It's startling when you consider that you get most of your news from giant corporate conglomerates that are doing everything in their power to discredit this issue.
O'Leary's an idiot and got his pee pee spanked after this
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2201757/
Huh? Fabrication...ok then, here is the source.
http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/ ... share_post
http://news.yahoo.com/tea-party-edges-occupy-wall-street-public-favor-183504470.html
another blow to my faith in humanity......first Community goes on "hiatus" and now this.....