As for the business owner, that's pretty much their choice, if they want to take the risk... That doesn't make it all better for an employee who got cancer, of course, but the employee also knows second hand smoking may have consequences (who doesn't?) so that has to be taken under consideration when accepting a job.
Ok then, but so is working for a gas drilling company. And when there is an explosion and someone dies, should we all say...well, they knew it was dangerous?
How about working in a chemical plant? Lots of hazardous chemicals. Should the employer be responsible for keeping the employees safe or should we just say, hell, those employees knew those chemicals were hazardous when they took the job?
I have no idea why the known hazard of cig. smoke gets a pass in restaurants.
The employer is always responsible for the employees well being during work time, that why I said the employer WILL BE taking a risk by not controlling some factor that can interfeer with the employees health. Same things apply to all those examples, if the employer decides to overlook security issues, he's risking a law suit but it's still his choice. As for the employees, again, the situations are parallel, I'm pretty sure people working on a chemical plant or on a gas drilling company KNOW they're job is much more dangerous than most and are still willing to take the chance.
About the restaurants issue there are almost no restaurants left in Portugal that will even have a smokers area... Smoking is outside in nearly every restaurant. And I agree it is wrong to smoke in a restaurant because it's almost impossible to avoid second hand smoke and even if you are a smoker it is not very pleasant to be surrounded by smoke while you're eating, that's why I never did it, even when it was allowed.
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If you hate something, don't you do it too...~
About the Black Lung Program
The mission of the Division of Coal Mine Workers' Compensation, or Federal Black Lung Program, is to administer claims filed under the Black Lung Benefits Act. The Act provides compensation to coal miners who are totally disabled by pneumoconiosis arising out of coal mine employment, and to survivors of coal miners whose deaths are attributable to the disease. The Act also provides eligible miners with medical coverage for the treatment of lung diseases related to pneumoconiosis.
this all I know but hopefully they are not just out there on their own ... that would suck
Coal mining states are poor. The benefits due to the coal miners may be something, but these workers have no where else to work, so they defend the mining, as well as the polluted communities it creates and the illnesses the miners end up getting as a cause of their work. That means they defend their employers, even though their occupation makes them sick. These employers are not liable. Maybe its stated federally that they are regulated and that they do bear some responsibility, but the fossil fuel industry definitely gets around the rules and regulations... Just look at the BP spill. Regulations were in place, but not enforced.
And mine owners are powerful and extremely wealthy.
I don't think they should be outlawed but a non smoker should be able to slap around a smoker if they light up near kids.
yes please...slapping smokers whom are lighting up near a kid is a ass whoopin beggin to happen in some areas of this great land.
also, can a guy (let's say me :evil: for instance) kick a fucker square in the teeth for flicking their smoke butt on the ground? you stupid piece of shit! what the fuck is wrong with you?
these are some of my most unfavorite assholes on the planet. literally i feel my blood run either cold or hot, i can't describe the feeling of wanting to break their nose or arm or kick their ribs in with a $10,000.00 fine, first offense of course.
i'm fucking sick and tired of seeing all the cigarette butts on the ground. sure i pick some of them up and toss them away for those who can't. cigarette butts are the most common type of litter on earth.
more cig butts are floating in the oceans than any other trash; and there's a fucking lot of it out there.
i'm fucking sick and tired of seeing all the cigarette butts on the ground. sure i pick some of them up and toss them away for those who can't. cigarette butts are the most common type of litter on earth.
more cig butts are floating in the oceans than any other trash; and there's a fucking lot of it out there.
I completely agree. In my younger days I was going to school for law enforcement, one of my main goals as a patrol officer was going to be pulling people over for littering when they flick their butts...it would have been epic. I could probably have raised enough money to higher 20 new police officers.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
i'm fucking sick and tired of seeing all the cigarette butts on the ground. sure i pick some of them up and toss them away for those who can't. cigarette butts are the most common type of litter on earth.
more cig butts are floating in the oceans than any other trash; and there's a fucking lot of it out there.
I completely agree. In my younger days I was going to school for law enforcement, one of my main goals as a patrol officer was going to be pulling people over for littering when they flick their butts...it would have been epic. I could probably have raised enough money to higher 20 new police officers.
I don't think they should be outlawed but a non smoker should be able to slap around a smoker if they light up near kids.
yes please...slapping smokers whom are lighting up near a kid is a ass whoopin beggin to happen in some areas of this great land.
also, can a guy (let's say me :evil: for instance) kick a fucker square in the teeth for flicking their smoke butt on the ground? you stupid piece of shit! what the fuck is wrong with you?
these are some of my most unfavorite assholes on the planet. literally i feel my blood run either cold or hot, i can't describe the feeling of wanting to break their nose or arm or kick their ribs in with a $10,000.00 fine, first offense of course.
guess we're mean, dude :twisted:
well they are made from wood pulp or cotton, so surely they are biodegradable, i personally don't think they are worse than paperbags, but i would like to be prove wrong
i'm fucking sick and tired of seeing all the cigarette butts on the ground. sure i pick some of them up and toss them away for those who can't. cigarette butts are the most common type of litter on earth.
more cig butts are floating in the oceans than any other trash; and there's a fucking lot of it out there.
I totally agree- cig butt throwing is disgusting. Maybe try this- a woman I work with did this once- she saw a guy who was stalled in traffic out on the street toss a butt out the window, ran out the store and picked it up, handed it to the guy and said in a stern voice- Here, you lost this!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I don't think they should be outlawed but a non smoker should be able to slap around a smoker if they light up near kids.
yes please...slapping smokers whom are lighting up near a kid is a ass whoopin beggin to happen in some areas of this great land.
also, can a guy (let's say me :evil: for instance) kick a fucker square in the teeth for flicking their smoke butt on the ground? you stupid piece of shit! what the fuck is wrong with you?
these are some of my most unfavorite assholes on the planet. literally i feel my blood run either cold or hot, i can't describe the feeling of wanting to break their nose or arm or kick their ribs in with a $10,000.00 fine, first offense of course.
guess we're mean, dude :twisted:
well they are made from wood pulp or cotton, so surely they are biodegradable, i personally don't think they are worse than paperbags, but i would like to be prove wrong
they are not made from wood pulp or cotton. plastic is the filter, filter is the plastic. check out the two links i posted earlier in this thread. also, i did a college paper in english class on this very issue. cigs are bullshit. mostly what is bullshit is the good folks that puff away and discard the butts onto the ground like a dumb ass. i am into the environment first and foremost everytime. people are greedy, dumb and lazy.
edit... here ya go, Sir
A "plug" of acetate cellulose filter tow
95% of cigarette filters are made of cellulose acetate (a plastic), and the balance are made from papers and rayon. The cellulose acetate tow fibers are thinner than sewing thread, white, and packed tightly together to create a filter; they can look like cotton. Other materials have been tried and rejected in favor of the taste that acetate produces. Filters vary in filtration efficiency, depending on whether the cigarette is to be "light" or regular.
also...
Nicotine is a powerful insecticide and among the deadliest of all plant products in its pure form
what fucking good does a smoke do for anyone? ok. so some of you will say, ok, chadwick
what good does crack cocaine do for anyone?
at least the fucker's getting frickin high as shit :crazy:
at least cow-shit is thrown on a flowerbed as fertilizer
at least meth cooks create jobs for the law and hazmat fuckers to bust and clean the meth messes up
smokes give me a hole in my throat, a empty pocket book, and help increase health costs due to the great number of smokers.
i am glad many of you enjoy supporting the vicious cycle of health insurance/tobacco wars and the like.
cigarettes are fucking useless. please throw them in the rivers and lakes near you :thumbup:
I mean, you take the cigarette, you suck it--drawing smoke into your lungs, and then you blow that smoke out.
What's not to like about all that?
Imagine the guy that came up with that idea....."Hey fellows, look at me, I am drawing smoke from this burning thing into my lungs. Wait. And then I'm gonna blow it out".
Everyone clamoured around. It was an instant "hit".
Soon all across the land, people were pulling smoke into their lungs. And blowing it back out.
a minute very tiny mega-miligram speck of pure nicotine is death. learned this in math class. had to figure out its half life stuff if memory serves...
I mean, you take the cigarette, you suck it--drawing smoke into your lungs, and then you blow that smoke out.
What's not to like about all that?
Imagine the guy that came up with that idea....."Hey fellows, look at me, I am drawing smoke from this burning thing into my lungs. Wait. And then I'm gonna blow it out".
Everyone clamoured around. It was an instant "hit".
Soon all across the land, people were pulling smoke into their lungs. And blowing it back out.
YAYYYYHHHH!!!!
Good one!!
Funniest (but also truest) post of the day!!!!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
what fucking good does a smoke do for anyone? ok. so some of you will say, ok, chadwick
what good does crack cocaine do for anyone?
at least the fucker's getting frickin high as shit :crazy:
at least cow-shit is thrown on a flowerbed as fertilizer
at least meth cooks create jobs for the law and hazmat fuckers to bust and clean the meth messes up
smokes give me a hole in my throat, a empty pocket book, and help increase health costs due to the great number of smokers.
i am glad many of you enjoy supporting the vicious cycle of health insurance/tobacco wars and the like.
cigarettes are fucking useless. please throw them in the rivers and lakes near you :thumbup:
i know this is from wikipedia but i don't care that much to go further but this is what that says
Cellulose acetate fiber is one of the earliest synthetic fibers and is based on cotton or tree pulp cellulose ("biopolymers"). These "cellulosic fibers" have been replaced in may applications by cheaper petro-based fibers (nylon and polyester) in recent decades.
well, what about alcohol? what "purpose" does it serve? Let's make that illegal, too.
And while we're at it, any food that is "empty calories".... what purpose does it serve? Let's make all non-nutritious foods (sweets, candy, ice cream, chips, etc) illegal, too. Those foods and its consequences (obesity) are a much bigger hit on your health care costs than cigarettes.
Finally, I think we should piss test for adrenaline in the work place. We don't need any "thrill seekers" going out for weekend rock climbs and whitewater rafting trips, because they serve no purpose either. They just danger the participant and cost us tax dollars when they get injured or die. Shit, just look at the movie "127 Hours"! That guy was clearly doing something illegal by being outside in nature doing things that "serve no purpose" and costing us tax dollars with search parties, helicopters and such.
Now, everyone get back to work! Writing and reading a meaningless forum online serves no purpose. Remember, be like Dwight on The Office. I think that's the point of all this.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
well, what about alcohol? what "purpose" does it serve? Let's make that illegal, too.
And while we're at it, any food that is "empty calories".... what purpose does it serve? Let's make all non-nutritious foods (sweets, candy, ice cream, chips, etc) illegal, too. Those foods and its consequences (obesity) are a much bigger hit on your health care costs than cigarettes.
Finally, I think we should piss test for adrenaline in the work place. We don't need any "thrill seekers" going out for weekend rock climbs and whitewater rafting trips, because they serve no purpose either. They just danger the participant and cost us tax dollars when they get injured or die. Shit, just look at the movie "127 Hours"! That guy was clearly doing something illegal by being outside in nature doing things that "serve no purpose" and costing us tax dollars with search parties, helicopters and such.
Now, everyone get back to work! Writing and reading a meaningless forum online serves no purpose. Remember, be like Dwight on The Office. I think that's the point of all this.
and mouths...no purpose whatsoever!!!....
why, I'm going to saw open my skull and insert the grilled cheese right in there. Cut out the middle man.
There.
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cigarettes should be made illegal. what do you good people believe? i believe the government is out of order with the fact that we can all smoke ourselves to death if we like beings cigarettes are beyond addictive.
some folks have zero willpower; this will lead to their demise.
the government is making a fortune off tobacco corporations. it is a proven fact that booze and cigarettes are so much worse for our health than marijuana.
this place (the usa) is out of control. very scary.
This country was founded on tobacco. Shit this country was built on tobacco. I do agree that pot is for less harmful that booze and tobacco. If people want to smoke then let'em. Happiness comes in small doses. It’s that smoke, that drink, that piece of candy or orgasm (quote from Dennis Leary). I do like how you cannot smoke in public places but if you want to smoke in your home or backyard then so be it. People know the risk.
cigarettes should be made illegal. what do you good people believe? i believe the government is out of order with the fact that we can all smoke ourselves to death if we like beings cigarettes are beyond addictive.
some folks have zero willpower; this will lead to their demise.
the government is making a fortune off tobacco corporations. it is a proven fact that booze and cigarettes are so much worse for our health than marijuana.
this place (the usa) is out of control. very scary.
This country was founded on tobacco. Shit this country was built on tobacco. I do agree that pot is for less harmful that booze and tobacco. If people want to smoke then let'em. Happiness comes in small doses. It’s that smoke, that drink, that piece of candy or orgasm (quote from Dennis Leary). I do like how you cannot smoke in public places but if you want to smoke in your home or backyard then so be it. People know the risk.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
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The employer is always responsible for the employees well being during work time, that why I said the employer WILL BE taking a risk by not controlling some factor that can interfeer with the employees health. Same things apply to all those examples, if the employer decides to overlook security issues, he's risking a law suit but it's still his choice. As for the employees, again, the situations are parallel, I'm pretty sure people working on a chemical plant or on a gas drilling company KNOW they're job is much more dangerous than most and are still willing to take the chance.
About the restaurants issue there are almost no restaurants left in Portugal that will even have a smokers area... Smoking is outside in nearly every restaurant. And I agree it is wrong to smoke in a restaurant because it's almost impossible to avoid second hand smoke and even if you are a smoker it is not very pleasant to be surrounded by smoke while you're eating, that's why I never did it, even when it was allowed.
If you hate something, don't you do it too...~
Highlights
Looks like there is a federal program...yes?
currently effective
HIPAA Notice
Black Lung
http://www.dol.gov/owcp/dcmwc/
About the Black Lung Program
The mission of the Division of Coal Mine Workers' Compensation, or Federal Black Lung Program, is to administer claims filed under the Black Lung Benefits Act. The Act provides compensation to coal miners who are totally disabled by pneumoconiosis arising out of coal mine employment, and to survivors of coal miners whose deaths are attributable to the disease. The Act also provides eligible miners with medical coverage for the treatment of lung diseases related to pneumoconiosis.
this all I know but hopefully they are not just out there on their own ... that would suck
And mine owners are powerful and extremely wealthy.
also, can a guy (let's say me :evil: for instance) kick a fucker square in the teeth for flicking their smoke butt on the ground? you stupid piece of shit! what the fuck is wrong with you?
these are some of my most unfavorite assholes on the planet. literally i feel my blood run either cold or hot, i can't describe the feeling of wanting to break their nose or arm or kick their ribs in with a $10,000.00 fine, first offense of course.
guess we're mean, dude :twisted:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
laziness is 3/4 the problem.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
more cig butts are floating in the oceans than any other trash; and there's a fucking lot of it out there.
http://www.cigarettelitter.org/index.asp?PageName=Home
http://www.longwood.edu/cleanva/cigaret ... rhome.html
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I completely agree. In my younger days I was going to school for law enforcement, one of my main goals as a patrol officer was going to be pulling people over for littering when they flick their butts...it would have been epic. I could probably have raised enough money to higher 20 new police officers.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Chadwick... you should have just started a "no littering" thread.... no one would have disagreed.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
well they are made from wood pulp or cotton, so surely they are biodegradable, i personally don't think they are worse than paperbags, but i would like to be prove wrong
I totally agree- cig butt throwing is disgusting. Maybe try this- a woman I work with did this once- she saw a guy who was stalled in traffic out on the street toss a butt out the window, ran out the store and picked it up, handed it to the guy and said in a stern voice- Here, you lost this!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
they are not made from wood pulp or cotton. plastic is the filter, filter is the plastic. check out the two links i posted earlier in this thread. also, i did a college paper in english class on this very issue. cigs are bullshit. mostly what is bullshit is the good folks that puff away and discard the butts onto the ground like a dumb ass. i am into the environment first and foremost everytime. people are greedy, dumb and lazy.
edit... here ya go, Sir
A "plug" of acetate cellulose filter tow
95% of cigarette filters are made of cellulose acetate (a plastic), and the balance are made from papers and rayon. The cellulose acetate tow fibers are thinner than sewing thread, white, and packed tightly together to create a filter; they can look like cotton. Other materials have been tried and rejected in favor of the taste that acetate produces. Filters vary in filtration efficiency, depending on whether the cigarette is to be "light" or regular.
also...
Nicotine is a powerful insecticide and among the deadliest of all plant products in its pure form
http://www.longwood.edu/cleanva/cigbuttfilters.htm
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
what good does crack cocaine do for anyone?
at least the fucker's getting frickin high as shit :crazy:
at least cow-shit is thrown on a flowerbed as fertilizer
at least meth cooks create jobs for the law and hazmat fuckers to bust and clean the meth messes up
smokes give me a hole in my throat, a empty pocket book, and help increase health costs due to the great number of smokers.
i am glad many of you enjoy supporting the vicious cycle of health insurance/tobacco wars and the like.
cigarettes are fucking useless. please throw them in the rivers and lakes near you :thumbup:
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
What do you mean?
I mean, you take the cigarette, you suck it--drawing smoke into your lungs, and then you blow that smoke out.
What's not to like about all that?
Imagine the guy that came up with that idea....."Hey fellows, look at me, I am drawing smoke from this burning thing into my lungs. Wait. And then I'm gonna blow it out".
Everyone clamoured around. It was an instant "hit".
Soon all across the land, people were pulling smoke into their lungs. And blowing it back out.
YAYYYYHHHH!!!!
i think i'll go buy me a package of overly inflated cigarettes; i like smoking insecticide. alkaloid is nitrogen atoms...naturally and stuff
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
HURRRRAAAAYYY!
Good one!!
Funniest (but also truest) post of the day!!!!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
i know this is from wikipedia but i don't care that much to go further but this is what that says
Cellulose acetate fiber is one of the earliest synthetic fibers and is based on cotton or tree pulp cellulose ("biopolymers"). These "cellulosic fibers" have been replaced in may applications by cheaper petro-based fibers (nylon and polyester) in recent decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetate#Fiber
And while we're at it, any food that is "empty calories".... what purpose does it serve? Let's make all non-nutritious foods (sweets, candy, ice cream, chips, etc) illegal, too. Those foods and its consequences (obesity) are a much bigger hit on your health care costs than cigarettes.
Finally, I think we should piss test for adrenaline in the work place. We don't need any "thrill seekers" going out for weekend rock climbs and whitewater rafting trips, because they serve no purpose either. They just danger the participant and cost us tax dollars when they get injured or die. Shit, just look at the movie "127 Hours"! That guy was clearly doing something illegal by being outside in nature doing things that "serve no purpose" and costing us tax dollars with search parties, helicopters and such.
Now, everyone get back to work! Writing and reading a meaningless forum online serves no purpose. Remember, be like Dwight on The Office. I think that's the point of all this.
habits are the best things we got going for us
and mouths...no purpose whatsoever!!!....
why, I'm going to saw open my skull and insert the grilled cheese right in there. Cut out the middle man.
There.
As a friend once told me, "Everything in moderation... including moderation!"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I prefer "excess in moderation"