cigarettes should be outlawed
chadwick
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cigarettes should be made illegal. what do you good people believe? i believe the government is out of order with the fact that we can all smoke ourselves to death if we like beings cigarettes are beyond addictive.
some folks have zero willpower; this will lead to their demise.
the government is making a fortune off tobacco corporations. it is a proven fact that booze and cigarettes are so much worse for our health than marijuana.
this place (the usa) is out of control. very scary.
some folks have zero willpower; this will lead to their demise.
the government is making a fortune off tobacco corporations. it is a proven fact that booze and cigarettes are so much worse for our health than marijuana.
this place (the usa) is out of control. very scary.
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Cigarettes are just one of a hundred things on the market sold "legally" that kill people who use them.
I HATE cirgarettes, I think smoking (and everything related to it) is extremely disgusting... but I hate it more when governments try to tell people what they can or can't do to themselves. If someone wants to slowly kill himself with cigarettes, that's ok with me. Just don't do it anywhere near me. Oh, and please, use a fucking ashtray. thank you.
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smoke em if you got em, or smoke some dope, crack, coke, huff paint, shoot some heroin, snort some meth, use steroids, hgh, get stem cells from fetuses, use a prostitute, base jump...
this place is out of control...but I think we may disagree as to how
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Oh yeah, thanks for those "concessions" so that me and my kid don't get cancer from your choice. :roll:
This is true. In this situation it gets tricky because they are having an effect on those around them not choosing to smoke.
And I think business owners that allow smoking in their establishments are putting themselves at great risk for future lawsuits from employees that get lung cancer from second hand smoke.
My head just exploded.
:roll: it's not the governments role to decide what we can or cannot put into our bodies. What makes you think if they out law cigarettes that somehow they would legalize pot.
but does not allowed me to tell the people should do the same.. i agree about the prohibition of smoking in some areas (like the bus or train) but people must have choice.. besides.. if you can't smoke.. can you talk about liberty??
It must be nice for them inside a smoke filled house or car :roll:
Agreed!
that depends on his parents
Well, my experience applies only to my country, of course, but... As for second hand smoking, non-smokers have a lot more options than smokers nowadays, it's the smokers that are set aside to some "isolated corner" or have their going out choices very reduced. Which is ok, we accept we cannot be harming others so if we chose to smoke, we will have to do so on the areas that are reserved for that, even if it is outside and it's raining... Too bad!
As for the business owner, that's pretty much their choice, if they want to take the risk... That doesn't make it all better for an employee who got cancer, of course, but the employee also knows second hand smoking may have consequences (who doesn't?) so that has to be taken under consideration when accepting a job.
I don't want to sound cold or as if I'm defending this particular addiction. I'm not. I think it is nasty even speaking as a smoker. But I also think that it is not that difficult not to expose oneself to smoke these days.
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what about car crashes? they kill so many people... should we all just walk around instead of using transportation of any kind, since people die?
but that's pretty dangerous, too. let's just put nerf padding on the entire world so everyone is "safe."
sheesh guys, the last thing we need is more people telling other people what to do. It sickens me.
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And yes, that's me smoking a cigar in the picture. But there were no kids around!
Probably the same kind of parents who would take their infant to a rock concert. I believe that occurred at Alpine Valley.
Yep, I saw them tailgating.
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Ok then, but so is working for a gas drilling company. And when there is an explosion and someone dies, should we all say...well, they knew it was dangerous?
How about working in a chemical plant? Lots of hazardous chemicals. Should the employer be responsible for keeping the employees safe or should we just say, hell, those employees knew those chemicals were hazardous when they took the job?
I have no idea why the known hazard of cig. smoke gets a pass in restaurants.
Coal mine employees have have to sign a liability waiver when they go to work understanding that they could die of black lung - a direct effect of working in coal mines - and they can't sue their employer. I'm sure this is common in other 'dangerous' jobs as well. Not that it's right, but that's how business owners get around responsibility.
Really? How is that possible? Although that industry is protected by Mine safety and not OSHA. Companies all over are required to protect their employees form the hazards of the jobs and if something happens, guess who is on the hook for medical for life?? Yep, you guessed it, the employer.
I haven't heard this about miners before.
These people's health care costs related to their smoking is far more than the taxes.
We should stop paying for treatments related to smokers...or....better yet...
Much like life insurance, health insurance carriers should be allowed to rate based on an exam of smoking/non-smoking, so they can pay for their own damn care either through premium or going broke with no coverage WHEN (it's not if) they get sick.
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The last coal mine operator for whom the miner worked for a cumulative period of at least one year is usually responsible for the payment of benefits; however, the Black Lung Disability Trust Fund pays benefits when:
The miner's last coal mine employment was before January 1, 1970;
There is no liable coal mine operator; or
The miner's most recent employment of at least one year with an operator ended while the operator was authorized to self-insure, and such operator is no longer financially capable of securing benefit payments.
In 2001, the basic monthly benefit for a totally disabled miner or the surviving spouse of the miner is $500.50 per month. This may be increased to a maximum of $1001.00 per month for claimants with three or more qualified dependents. Because the Act links benefit rates to Federal employee salary rates, benefit levels are usually adjusted annually in accordance with changes in the Federal employee pay schedules.