geez ... this is getting messy in more ways than one
It's so funny. These folks should understand this - it's just like their moms (since they still live at home) asking them to lift their feet so she can vacuum. Jesus - you won't even let the city clean up after you? How about Bloomberg gives them each 5 bucks to clean up after themselves? I hate giving in and having these jokers win by getting actual jobs through their laziness. But, heh - it's a win-win in the end. The city gets cheap labor, and they get on the job training.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
geez ... this is getting messy in more ways than one
It's so funny. These folks should understand this - it's just like their moms (since they still live at home) asking them to lift their feet so she can vacuum. Jesus - you won't even let the city clean up after you? How about Bloomberg gives them each 5 bucks to clean up after themselves? I hate giving in and having these jokers win by getting actual jobs through their laziness. But, heh - it's a win-win in the end. The city gets cheap labor, and they get on the job training.
Sounds like government jobs.
Everything is fine, then you create the need for the job, get paid to do it and everything is back exactly the way it was, but the taxpayers are out some $.
I agree that there are problems with our economy that need fixing, I just don't agree that the existence of wealthy people is the problem and I don't think most of the protesters have a good idea about any of these issues based on the interviews I've seen and read. I get the impression that a lot of these people are really just there so they can be a part of some sort of "movement" and it reeks of imitating the Arab protests from earlier in the year. There is no clear message being given from the people there. If there was, I might be able to get behind them a little bit but I see and hear a lot of people railing against "greed," "the man," and "the Establishment" like it's Woodstock and I see people complaining that they have student loan debt as if they were forced at gunpoint to sign the paperwork for those loans. I've heard people say they're protesting "all the stuff going on with the Fed" and their "fake money" without explaining what any of that really means and it makes them sound like paranoid conspiracy theorists. Most of all, I hear a lot of talk about "the system" and how it's broken, but I don't see anyone with any solutions. Most importantly, I'm not sure who exactly they're mad at. Is it the government? Is it individual companies? Both? People who utilize the tax breaks that exist? Wall Street isn't an actual entity, so it's not like there's a CEO of Wall Street to come out and placate them. It seems like they're really just mad at people who have a lot of money and assume that they've obtained that money unfairly, but I don't know what they think is unfair. Who do they blame for the lack of jobs?
I actually see your story as one of personal accomplishment that is possible in our system when you work hard, but I see a lot of people protesting who seem to think that life should never be even remotely unpleasant let alone hard and whatever message they want us to take from this is coming across as whining because other people have things they don't and I view that as a childish outlook on life. I think a lot of them haven't really experienced life, and I can safely say that most (not all) of the ones who are college students haven't experienced the real world at all yet and they seem like they're afraid to face it. I get it. The world is a terrifying place, especially when you're finishing school and have loans to pay and it's hard to find a job. I was in that spot at one point, but if you view it as an impossible situation in which to succeed, then that's what it will become for you and that's how a lot of these people come across--"Well that looks hard so I'll just give up and protest so I can blame other people." I understand that there are other people protesting, too, but I'm just talking about this one segment that seems to be the largest group there--young adults who are in their late-teens to early-20s.
I don't want to come across as thinking our economic system is perfect. There's no such thing as a perfect system. There are always things that can be changed as the world changes, but I don't get the feeling that the people in NY are looking for subtle changes.
great post. my sentiments as well. i wonder how many of these protesters understand how hypocritical they are. complanining about big business, banks, and government waste - while forcing cities like Philadelphia to already spend over $100,000 extra for police overtime to help keep the peace at the occupy rally, who use their big business Iphones and Ipads to communicate with each other and run over to the local Wawa (convenience store) and use their ATMs to purchase a $3.00 cup of coffee.
I'd just like to point out that as long as we see differences in ourselves rather than similarities, we are our own greatest enemy. It's not the fault of gov't, corporations, or the Fed Reserve... it's WE THE PEOPLE screwing ourselves. All of you guys who put the protestors and the movement down? You all contribute to acceptance of the country AS IS, and we all KNOW it's fucked. But because you refuse to see the bigger picture, that we all should be ON THE SAME SIDE, instead of ridiculous bickering what's wrong with every social movement, we are screwing ourselves. :x So keep up the criticism...it's only getting us absolutely nowhere.
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I'd just like to point out that as long as we see differences in ourselves rather than similarities, we are our own greatest enemy. It's not the fault of gov't, corporations, or the Fed Reserve... it's WE THE PEOPLE screwing ourselves. All of you guys who put the protestors and the movement down? You all contribute to acceptance of the country AS IS, and we all KNOW it's fucked. But because you refuse to see the bigger picture, that we all should be ON THE SAME SIDE, instead of ridiculous bickering what's wrong with every social movement, we are screwing ourselves. :x So keep up the criticism...it's only getting us absolutely nowhere.
:thumbup:
I'm editing my thumbs up just a tad. I'm not sure how I to find useful that which I have in common with the very few who hold the power over us very many. But other than that, you are right Jeanwah- it should be about we the people. I doubt any of us here on AMT are corporate heads or powerful politicians so, in that sense, I totally agree with you. My generation for the most part failed at bringing about peace and love and justice and now a new breed of young people are working to create a fair and just world- things we would all benefit from. Change for the better is still possible. Reminds me of a line from an REM song: "Let's put our heads together/ and start a new country up."
I agree with you very much, we should all be on the same side. We would do well to look out for each other, take care of each other, wish each other well, and be compassionate. And really, for the most part, that is what happens here on the PJ forum. The outreach I've seen here (well, on All Encompassing anyway ) always gives me hope. There are a lot of very caring people here. Yes, let's see more of that on AMT.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
I'd just like to point out that as long as we see differences in ourselves rather than similarities, we are our own greatest enemy. It's not the fault of gov't, corporations, or the Fed Reserve... it's WE THE PEOPLE screwing ourselves. All of you guys who put the protestors and the movement down? You all contribute to acceptance of the country AS IS, and we all KNOW it's fucked. But because you refuse to see the bigger picture, that we all should be ON THE SAME SIDE, instead of ridiculous bickering what's wrong with every social movement, we are screwing ourselves. :x So keep up the criticism...it's only getting us absolutely nowhere.
Bingo!!
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Several reports I've read this morning mention the fact that protesters have done most of the clean up themselves. Can we please stop calling people "idiots" and "jokers" (think about it- you are probably calling some of your fellow posters names like that and I think we all agree that name-calling here is inappropriate) and stick to the issues?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
It's the word Occupy that really is bothering me... not just the word... doing it.
I am all for marches and rallies ... respectful, to the point, get a message across,
have a permit, have millions present, walk with pride. Make a change, perhaps not
immediate but overtime and by being civil.
Occupy....
If people came to my yard... and occupied it cause they hated the color of my house,
it's yellow.. and stayed against my wishes, that would be illegal.
It would also not be respected by anyone and it would tread on my rights.
Occupy sounds like it is bullying, terroristic behavior. It sounds immature, dangerous,
unlawful, and that it impedes the rights of other citizens.
Some have set up tents here in Atlanta, not many. Our Mayor backed down after saying
they must leave by Monday evening after they walk to the mission tomorrow.
I'm sure many affected Governors are in contact with the federal government/homeland
security as to how to proceed. What the policy will be.
I don't know what the President has said but he might want to get on
TV for a real Presidential address to this soon.
It's the word Occupy that really is bothering me... not just the word... doing it.
I am all for marches and rallies ... respectful, to the point, get a message across,
have a permit, have millions present, walk with pride. Make a change, perhaps not
immediate but overtime and by being civil.
Occupy....
If people came to my yard... and occupied it cause they hated the color of my house,
it's yellow.. and stayed against my wishes, that would be illegal.
It would also not be respected by anyone and it would tread on my rights.
Occupy sound like it is bullying, terroristic behavior. It sounds immature, dangerous,
unlawful, and that it impedes the rights of other citizens.
Some have set up tents here in Atlanta, not many. Our Mayor backed down after saying
they must leave by Monday evening after they walk to the mission tomorrow.
I'm sure many affected Governors are in contact with the federal government/homeland
security as to how to proceed. What the policy will be.
I don't know what the President has said but he might want to get on
TV for a real Presidential address to this soon.
Before someone gets hurt.
I think this could be a great oppertunity for Obama, but we got see what he makes of it.
I'd just like to point out that as long as we see differences in ourselves rather than similarities, we are our own greatest enemy. It's not the fault of gov't, corporations, or the Fed Reserve... it's WE THE PEOPLE screwing ourselves. All of you guys who put the protestors and the movement down? You all contribute to acceptance of the country AS IS, and we all KNOW it's fucked. But because you refuse to see the bigger picture, that we all should be ON THE SAME SIDE, instead of ridiculous bickering what's wrong with every social movement, we are screwing ourselves. :x So keep up the criticism...it's only getting us absolutely nowhere.
:thumbup:
I'm editing my thumbs up just a tad. I'm not sure how I to find useful that which I have in common with the very few who hold the power over us very many. But other than that, you are right Jeanwah- it should be about we the people. I doubt any of us here on AMT are corporate heads or powerful politicians so, in that sense, I totally agree with you. My generation for the most part failed at bringing about peace and love and justice and now a new breed of young people are working to create a fair and just world- things we would all benefit from. Change for the better is still possible. Reminds me of a line from an REM song: "Let's put our heads together/ and start a new country up."
I agree with you very much, we should all be on the same side. We would do well to look out for each other, take care of each other, wish each other well, and be compassionate. And really, for the most part, that is what happens here on the PJ forum. The outreach I've seen here (well, on All Encompassing anyway ) always gives me hope. There are a lot of very caring people here. Yes, let's see more of that on AMT.
Maybe I should jump over to AET then for a while. Even those who are all about "love and live and let live" (you know who you are) can't stop themselves from criticizing about something as stupid as the name of the movement, as well as what they stand for. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Don't you people realize that you're pessimistic ways and need to put down anything outside of your comfort level stops you from evolving and growing as a person? We are all on the same team: THE PEOPLE.
It's the word Occupy that really is bothering me... not just the word... doing it.
I am all for marches and rallies ... respectful, to the point, get a message across,
have a permit, have millions present, walk with pride. Make a change, perhaps not
immediate but overtime and by being civil.
Occupy....
If people came to my yard... and occupied it cause they hated the color of my house,
it's yellow.. and stayed against my wishes, that would be illegal.
It would also not be respected by anyone and it would tread on my rights.
Occupy sound like it is bullying, terroristic behavior. It sounds immature, dangerous,
unlawful, and that it impedes the rights of other citizens.
Some have set up tents here in Atlanta, not many. Our Mayor backed down after saying
they must leave by Monday evening after they walk to the mission tomorrow.
I'm sure many affected Governors are in contact with the federal government/homeland
security as to how to proceed. What the policy will be.
I don't know what the President has said but he might want to get on
TV for a real Presidential address to this soon.
Before someone gets hurt.
I think this could be a great oppertunity for Obama, but we got see what he makes of it.
I hope so ...
He gives a damn good speech
I pray for peaceful change
and also worry demands will be fulfilled to some degree without
compromise
To feed a mob is not good it will make for more and more ... everyone with a grip will
think the government can magically fix it, probably financially, when it can't.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
in the first one a cop punches a man who is walking away from him. it was caught by a multitude of cameras and the crowd starts chanting "the whole world is watching! the whole world is watching!!"
and the second one is a cop running over a man with his scooter and leaving it on the man's leg...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
....I think we all agree that name-calling here is inappropriate) and stick to the issues?
tree hugging hippie uncle snuffagauffaassuses ....
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Democracy Dies in Darkness- Washington Post
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well, i'm heading down to occupy st louis this morning...
i'm gonna head down there and see what's shakin'... and i am going to have my flip cam to see what i can see...
if you all don't hear from me for a few days assume i got arrested ....
Be safe, man. We'll look forward to hearing your reports from the St. Louis front!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
well, i'm heading down to occupy st louis this morning...
i'm gonna head down there and see what's shakin'... and i am going to have my flip cam to see what i can see...
if you all don't hear from me for a few days assume i got arrested ....
Be safe, man. We'll look forward to hearing your reports from the St. Louis front!
i'm back from occupy st. louis. i missed all of the good stuff. when i got there there were only about 2 or 300 people there. it was more like "loiter st louis", but earlier in the day there were more people there. they had education centers and booths where you can learn things, your rights, and all of the different issues that are being protested. it was pretty interesting. all of our news media networks were there interviewing people and filming. i asked a few of the people who have been living there the last 15 days where everyone else went and they said that they had dispatched volunteers to areas all over st louis to hand out flyers with facts about the movement and to invite more people down there. they are expecting more people tomorrow. there were a few police officers who were mingling amongst the crowd and talking to people. there were no arrests, no disturbances, everyone was cool to the cops because the cops were cool to them. it was almost eerily peaceful.
tomorrow at noon a bunch of them are going to the monsanto world headquarters, which is about 10 minutes from here, to protest there. apparently they got a permit and it is going to be peaceful..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This happened today. Early reports show that over 25 people were arrested after some protesters, including customers of citibank entered with the intention of closing their accounts. There are reports that the doors were locked barring exit until the police arrived.
As a whole, the police, military or any other group designated by the government authorities to maintain the status quo is not their to protect the general population. It is only in times where citizens are abused, taken advantage of in an unjust manner or stand up for themselves via protest that people recognize it.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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Thanks for the report, gimmesometruth27. Going back tomorrow? Keep up posted!
Jeanwah- the video you posted is disturbing. That kind of action by the police is... it's just wrong.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
This morning news showed some of the protests around our country,
then Rome, it was very different...
violent with car fires, windows being busted out, protesters with hammers, riot gear
on military/police.
I wondered if this is what it escalates to when there is no change, when 'demands' aren't met.
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It's so funny. These folks should understand this - it's just like their moms (since they still live at home) asking them to lift their feet so she can vacuum. Jesus - you won't even let the city clean up after you? How about Bloomberg gives them each 5 bucks to clean up after themselves? I hate giving in and having these jokers win by getting actual jobs through their laziness. But, heh - it's a win-win in the end. The city gets cheap labor, and they get on the job training.
Sounds like government jobs.
Everything is fine, then you create the need for the job, get paid to do it and everything is back exactly the way it was, but the taxpayers are out some $.
great post. my sentiments as well. i wonder how many of these protesters understand how hypocritical they are. complanining about big business, banks, and government waste - while forcing cities like Philadelphia to already spend over $100,000 extra for police overtime to help keep the peace at the occupy rally, who use their big business Iphones and Ipads to communicate with each other and run over to the local Wawa (convenience store) and use their ATMs to purchase a $3.00 cup of coffee.
I'm editing my thumbs up just a tad. I'm not sure how I to find useful that which I have in common with the very few who hold the power over us very many. But other than that, you are right Jeanwah- it should be about we the people. I doubt any of us here on AMT are corporate heads or powerful politicians so, in that sense, I totally agree with you. My generation for the most part failed at bringing about peace and love and justice and now a new breed of young people are working to create a fair and just world- things we would all benefit from. Change for the better is still possible. Reminds me of a line from an REM song: "Let's put our heads together/ and start a new country up."
I agree with you very much, we should all be on the same side. We would do well to look out for each other, take care of each other, wish each other well, and be compassionate. And really, for the most part, that is what happens here on the PJ forum. The outreach I've seen here (well, on All Encompassing anyway
Bingo!!
It's the word Occupy that really is bothering me... not just the word... doing it.
I am all for marches and rallies ... respectful, to the point, get a message across,
have a permit, have millions present, walk with pride. Make a change, perhaps not
immediate but overtime and by being civil.
Occupy....
If people came to my yard... and occupied it cause they hated the color of my house,
it's yellow.. and stayed against my wishes, that would be illegal.
It would also not be respected by anyone and it would tread on my rights.
Occupy sounds like it is bullying, terroristic behavior. It sounds immature, dangerous,
unlawful, and that it impedes the rights of other citizens.
Some have set up tents here in Atlanta, not many. Our Mayor backed down after saying
they must leave by Monday evening after they walk to the mission tomorrow.
I'm sure many affected Governors are in contact with the federal government/homeland
security as to how to proceed. What the policy will be.
I don't know what the President has said but he might want to get on
TV for a real Presidential address to this soon.
Before someone gets hurt.
I think this could be a great oppertunity for Obama, but we got see what he makes of it.
Maybe I should jump over to AET then for a while. Even those who are all about "love and live and let live" (you know who you are) can't stop themselves from criticizing about something as stupid as the name of the movement, as well as what they stand for. :roll: :roll: :roll:
Don't you people realize that you're pessimistic ways and need to put down anything outside of your comfort level stops you from evolving and growing as a person? We are all on the same team: THE PEOPLE.
He gives a damn good speech
I pray for peaceful change
and also worry demands will be fulfilled to some degree without
compromise
To feed a mob is not good it will make for more and more ... everyone with a grip will
think the government can magically fix it, probably financially, when it can't.
:thumbup:
here are a few videos showing cops acting with excessive force...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/1 ... 11144.html
in the first one a cop punches a man who is walking away from him. it was caught by a multitude of cameras and the crowd starts chanting "the whole world is watching! the whole world is watching!!"
and the second one is a cop running over a man with his scooter and leaving it on the man's leg...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
also the more unforgiving everyone will be, those who do not agree with this kind of
ACTION and those who do
i'm gonna head down there and see what's shakin'... and i am going to have my flip cam to see what i can see...
if you all don't hear from me for a few days assume i got arrested
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If you get arrested, it would be worth it, right? We know you're not gonna cause trouble, Gimme...
http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CT ... b=CP24Home
Setting up camps..Some people are saying that Police may try and remove the tents tonight, if that happens, things may get a bit wild.
Right now it's fairly quiet, I do really like this one section they have teaching people their rights etc, Smart Idea.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
tomorrow at noon a bunch of them are going to the monsanto world headquarters, which is about 10 minutes from here, to protest there. apparently they got a permit and it is going to be peaceful..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This happened today. Early reports show that over 25 people were arrested after some protesters, including customers of citibank entered with the intention of closing their accounts. There are reports that the doors were locked barring exit until the police arrived.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Jeanwah- the video you posted is disturbing. That kind of action by the police is... it's just wrong.
then Rome, it was very different...
violent with car fires, windows being busted out, protesters with hammers, riot gear
on military/police.
I wondered if this is what it escalates to when there is no change, when 'demands' aren't met.