The Death Penalty

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

Just finished watching the airing of the new WM3 after their release
show from Sunday night.

Couldn't help but look into Damien's big brown eyes
and think he might not have been here if not for the dedication of kind souls....
the guardian angels that saved him.

Another very good example why there should be no death penalty.

Hey Pandora, do you recall what show it was? I'd like ot see it.
I also recall Damien saying he spend the majority of his time in solitary confinement. 1 hour of sun a day.
No HDtvs, gym, basketball, cushy matresses there...

Commy

if you are against the death penalty, you are opposed to the killing of osama.


whaqt happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Commy wrote:

if you are against the death penalty, you are opposed to the killing of osama.


whaqt happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I am both. As I was with Saddam.

Byrnzie

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Commy wrote:

if you are against the death penalty, you are opposed to the killing of osama.


whaqt happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I am both. As I was with Saddam.

Me too.

We/society/the law/justice should never stoop to the level of a murderer. And sometimes that involves a tough test - when dealing with particularly depraved individuals. But If society can't maintain a humane approach to life then why should any individual? Maybe this is why America is so riddled with violence. Murdering your own citizens in the name of 'justice', and waging countless wars doesn't exactly set a good example.

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Just finished watching the airing of the new WM3 after their release
show from Sunday night.

Couldn't help but look into Damien's big brown eyes
and think he might not have been here if not for the dedication of kind souls....
the guardian angels that saved him.

Another very good example why there should be no death penalty.

Hey Pandora, do you recall what show it was? I'd like ot see it.
I also recall Damien saying he spend the majority of his time in solitary confinement. 1 hour of sun a day.
No HDtvs, gym, basketball, cushy matresses there...

It was on channel IDHD 'Investigative Discovery' channel ... a show called 48 Hours ID aired 9pm
Sunday evening.
My daughter called me Sunday morning .... she new I'd want to catch it
Everything Eddie Vedder

it was a great show ... hope you can watch

drmrkelley

johnny america wrote:

I think giving killers and rapists decent living conditions for a few decades on my dime is a cool way to fix problems in society.

So long as they get HD TV's and mattresses that don't hurt their backs, weight rooms, basketball courts, and three meals a day, I have no problem with putting bad criminals in prison.

For example: a guy goes and holds a chick at knifepoint. He tells her to take her clothes off. She of course says no and begs him to let her go. He responds by slapping her in the face, pulling her hair, and making her suck his dick, lest she be stabbed to death. He then rips her clothes off and forcefully penetrates her, raping and hitting her as she cries and screams for help. After he ejaculates inside of her, possibly giving her an STD, he warns her not to tell anyone what happened, and beats her until she's unconscious. As icing on the cake, he steals her wallet.

Doesn't sound like an animal to me. Sounds like a misunderstood individual who deserves a second chance. It's nothing the rest of us might not accidentally do someday, right?

I mean, shit, if he goes to jail, I think he deserves to at least have good living conditions. He is a human being, after all. If he shows recognizance, we ought to give him an early release and even give him financial assistance for a few years while he relearns how to be a productive member of society.

I'm sure there's a good person inside of him, just waiting for understanding and guidance. Everyone is beautiful in their own way.

There is a man in Indiana who was convicted of shooting and killing his wife 20 years ago. He was recently released because of "good behavior". During his time in prison, he was able to do an apprenticeship to learn how to be an electrician. He is now out of jail and making $30 an hour. Our unemployment rate sits near 10 percent, yet this murderer has a nice job. I simply cannot see how this is a deterrent to criminals. Commit a major crime, stay in jail where you know when your next meal will be, learn a new trade, make some friends. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty in its current state because it simply takes too long and uses up too many resources. If it was more swift and brutal in those cases where there is no doubt, I think it would be more effective in preventing crime.

lukin2006

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29 ... t-wouldnt/

Maybe if Capital Punishment was applied to this monster he wouldn't have continued to kill while locked up in prison!!! ... sometimes there's evil among us!!! I know it doesn't act as a deterrent, but it would most certainly act as a deterrent to this monster.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29/prison-couldnt-keep-michael-wayne-mcgray-from-killing-just-like-he-said-it-wouldnt/

Maybe if Capital Punishment was applied to this monster he wouldn't have continued to kill while locked up in prison!!! ... sometimes there's evil among us!!! I know it doesn't act as a deterrent, but it would most certainly act as a deterrent to this monster.

in this case - what we should be looking at is:

1. why did they put him in a medium security prison with a cellmate?
2. what is the effects of child abuse?

brianlux

The fact remains that countries and states that do not use capital punishment have lower rates of violent crime. Countries/states that use capital punishment think violently, act violently. The statistics are out there, easy to find but I don't have time to look. I will do so later if need be.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/29/prison-couldnt-keep-michael-wayne-mcgray-from-killing-just-like-he-said-it-wouldnt/

Maybe if Capital Punishment was applied to this monster he wouldn't have continued to kill while locked up in prison!!! ... sometimes there's evil among us!!! I know it doesn't act as a deterrent, but it would most certainly act as a deterrent to this monster.

in this case - what we should be looking at is:

1. why did they put him in a medium security prison with a cellmate?
2. what is the effects of child abuse?

Without knowing the details one can only assume he was placed in a medium security jail because he must have demonstrated good...or just plain and simply conned everyone he came in contact with who makes these decisions.

lukin2006

People like him, Bernardo, Williams, Olson I have no problem with capital punishment anymore...they clearly committed those crimes...hell in the case of Bernardo and Williams they videotaped their crimes...but maybe they were abused as children!!!

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

Without knowing the details one can only assume he was placed in a medium security jail because he must have demonstrated good...or just plain and simply conned everyone he came in contact with who makes these decisions.

he admitted his appetite for murder was insatiable ... he didn't con anyone ...

again - violence begets violence ... killing him nor anyone else solves the problem ... all it does is validate a lust for murder ...

and i'm sorry you feel the need to mock the effects of child abuse ... :(

lukin2006

I'm not mocking the effects of child abuse, I'm mocking the effects of child abuse as a defense for murder...

In Canada the system believes in rehabilitation...thats why almost every one who goes to jail is eligible for parole.

polaris_x

lukin2006 wrote:

I'm not mocking the effects of child abuse, I'm mocking the effects of child abuse as a defense for murder...

In Canada the system believes in rehabilitation...thats why almost every one who goes to jail is eligible for parole.

which in essence is mocking the effects of child abuse ....

dude you referred to is serving consecutive life sentences ... he wasn't going anywhere ...

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

dude you referred to is serving consecutive life sentences ... he wasn't going anywhere ...

Neither is his former cellmate.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

Neither is his former cellmate.

soo ... killing him was the only way to prevent that? ... how about not giving him a cellmate?

mikepegg44

brianlux wrote:

The fact remains that countries and states that do not use capital punishment have lower rates of violent crime. Countries/states that use capital punishment think violently, act violently. The statistics are out there, easy to find but I don't have time to look. I will do so later if need be.

which came first?

do countries feel like they do not need capital punishment because they have low violent crime rates? or do countries who have capital punishment have it because violent crimes were there and the citizenry got sick of it?

deterrent? who cares in my opinion...justifiable punishment for ending another citizens life?...absolutely

polaris_x

what it boils down to is this ...

you want to live in a world where violence is the solution to all that ails ... so be it ... is it any wonder that america is involved in so many conflicts around the world where many INNOCENT people have died!?? ... i wonder if troy davis wanted to live in a such a world?

pandora

Capital Punishment will not rid the world of Evil
there will always be Evil ... Evil perpetuates

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Neither is his former cellmate.

soo ... killing him was the only way to prevent that? ... how about not giving him a cellmate?

It's 100% effective method. Even without a cellmate, he will be in contact with other human beings at some point in the future and you cannot guarantee 100% that he will never harm another human being in the future.

I wonder if troy davis would have wanted him as a cellmate? Deterrent or not, this guy is defective to the point he cannot function within society, is beyond rehabilitation, and presents an extreme risk to those that encounter him. Is it more humane to stick this guy in a small cell and let him rot away in isolation or put him out of his misery?