International standards on the use of the death penalty state that the death penalty should not be imposed against people with mental disabilities. This safeguard continues to be ignored in the USA.
Florida executed John Ferguson on 5 August, despite his decades-long history of mental illness which pre-dated his crimes. He was first diagnosed with schizophrenia in 1971. In 1975 a court-appointed psychiatrist concluded that Ferguson’s severe mental illness rendered him dangerous and meant that he “should not be released under any circumstances” from a maximum security mental hospital. He was, however, discharged, and within three years was on death row for eight murders. The diagnoses of serious mental illness, including by prison doctors, continued on death row.
On 21 August, the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit found Texas death row prisoner Scott Panetti competent for execution and rejected the claim that he had been incompetent to represent himself at his 1995 trial. Scott Panetti was sentenced to death for murdering his parents-in-law in 1992, several years after he was first diagnosed with schizophrenia. He had been hospitalized for mental illness, including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, on a number of occasions prior to the crime.
Warren Hill’s execution was stopped three hours before it was due to be carried out on 19 July in Georgia, in connection with litigation on the state’s lethal injection protocol. Despite all seven experts to have assessed Warren Hill stating that he had “mental retardation”, the execution was not stopped on these grounds. The execution of those with “mental retardation” has been prohibited in the USA since 2002, but concerns remain about implementation of this US Supreme Court ruling.
A year earlier, on 17 July 2012, the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary extrajudicial executions had urged the US authorities to stop the execution of Warren Hill. He voiced “particular concern that Georgia is now the only US state that requires proof of what it calls ‘mental retardation beyond reasonable doubt,’ rather than a preponderance of the evidence as in other jurisdictions.”
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10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
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its simple. the day they executed the wrong man was the day capital punishment should have been 86'd.
Yup. But we know for a fact that it's happened to as many as 1200 people since 1976. And people still support it. They obviously don't care about innocent people being killed. They are too busy focusing on revenge.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Dip a guy in batter just for a goof (in the boiling oil method).
Dip a guy in brown gravy and lock him in a room with a wolverine high on angel dust. There's a guy who won't be fuckin' with kids at the bus stop for a while.
Take a small tactical nuclear weapon and stuff it up his ass (or that little small hole at the end of a guy's dick).
Ex-soldier apologizes for killing five-year-old daughter, asks jury to let him live.
Essentially, between sniffles and long dramatic pauses... the guy says, "Sorry" for beating his 5 year old daughter to death on a military base in Hawaii. He explains that he was very frustrated and that is why he beat her to death. This explanation for his motivation seems to make sense, I guess?
He also wants the chance to be a better father to his two other children, an 11-year-old son who lives in Georgia and a nine-year-old daughter who lives in Tennessee.
I guess he's not only asking for people to spare his life... he wants the freedom to try being a dad again?
Incredulously, his crime isn't near as horrific as some child murderer's crimes (although a child's death at the hands of her father bears some grimacing). As such- being I'm becoming more and more desensitized to these acts- I'm indifferent to what our response should be... just so long as he doesn't get the chance to 'play dad' again.
It's not going to happen though. He's got some really good courtroom theatrics going on (collapsing before the judge)... and he's got a crafty attorney using the oldest one in the book (going for the old 'not guilty plea by reason of insanity'). Guaranteed there'll be some idiots falling hook, line and sinker for these shenanigans. They'll overlook the fact that he was on a cross country tour in pursuit of his ex-wife.
It's interesting how he got a little weak-kneed confronted by his obscenity, but stood strong when he fatally shot Stephen and Katie Stay, and their four children, ages 4 to 14, in the back of their heads.
Against...only due to the massive waste of time and money it takes to kill them. Let them build license plates until they die old and grey.
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Henry McCollum, Leon Brown declared innocent after 30 years in prison None of the DNA collected at the scene was linked to Brown or McCollum
Sure they where Evil doers and deserved to die anyway. Bastards. And so what if a few innocents get thrown in with the baddies so I can feel good about someone dying.
Henry McCollum, Leon Brown declared innocent after 30 years in prison None of the DNA collected at the scene was linked to Brown or McCollum
Sure they where Evil doers and deserved to die anyway. Bastards. And so what if a few innocents get thrown in with the baddies so I can feel good about someone dying.
I disagree. I think it's tragic that these two wasted 30 years of their life behind bars falsely accused and convicted.
The fact that these two innocent people were falsely convicted doesn't change my opinion that Clifford Olson deserved death for kidnapping, torturing and killing a dozen of our province's children though. Maybe if he hadn't nailed spikes into their heads while they were still alive I'd feel differently? I don't know.
Henry McCollum, Leon Brown declared innocent after 30 years in prison None of the DNA collected at the scene was linked to Brown or McCollum
Sure they where Evil doers and deserved to die anyway. Bastards. And so what if a few innocents get thrown in with the baddies so I can feel good about someone dying.
I disagree. I think it's tragic that these two wasted 30 years of their life behind bars falsely accused and convicted.
The fact that these two innocent people were falsely convicted doesn't change my opinion that Clifford Olson deserved death for kidnapping, torturing and killing a dozen of our province's children though. Maybe if he hadn't nailed spikes into their heads while they were still alive I'd feel differently? I don't know.
Agree ... I have no problem with DP in cases like that where its clear that are guilty ...
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I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.
I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.
Jonny,I'm talking about after they have been convicted,and as stated earlier if DNA matches or video evidence are available.Those endless appeals trying to get off on technicalities is the problem.
I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.
Jonny,I'm talking about after they have been convicted,and as stated earlier if DNA matches or video evidence are available.Those endless appeals trying to get off on technicalities is the problem.
It may sound crazy but neither video or DNA matches are always conclusive proof. If you and I get into an altercation caught on video at a gas station and I end up dead that afternoon is this proof? It may well be enough for a conviction, but it's hardly proof. Let's say I have a one night stand with a girl and when I leave, her BF murders her, is my DNA at the crime scene proof? Again, it's enough for a conviction but not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Neither of these scenarios is far-fetched. I know of a case where a man was convicted of murder for "satanic" comics he had drawn. Art. Proof? No but enough to convince a jury. Hence the appeals process. We all get the same rights, not just those who SEEM more savory.
I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.
Jonny,I'm talking about after they have been convicted,and as stated earlier if DNA matches or video evidence are available.Those endless appeals trying to get off on technicalities is the problem.
It may sound crazy but neither video or DNA matches are always conclusive proof. If you and I get into an altercation caught on video at a gas station and I end up dead that afternoon is this proof? It may well be enough for a conviction, but it's hardly proof. Let's say I have a one night stand with a girl and when I leave, her BF murders her, is my DNA at the crime scene proof? Again, it's enough for a conviction but not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Neither of these scenarios is far-fetched. I know of a case where a man was convicted of murder for "satanic" comics he had drawn. Art. Proof? No but enough to convince a jury. Hence the appeals process. We all get the same rights, not just those who SEEM more savory.
I agree that DNA evidence isn't enough proof, and no, the kind of video evidence you mention isn't proof either. Video proof in my book would be clear video of the person actually committing the crime. But even then, don't punish murder with murder. And don't give your government permission to commit murder of a citizen in your own country under any circumstances.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have only two problems with the Death Penalty.1.it takes too long to get to the punishment part of the sentence.2.The way we do it. Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
It only takes that long because they are allowed certain amounts of appeals to be sure we got he right guy. If it was sped up, we'd have murdered an excessive amount of innocent people.
Jonny,I'm talking about after they have been convicted,and as stated earlier if DNA matches or video evidence are available.Those endless appeals trying to get off on technicalities is the problem.
It may sound crazy but neither video or DNA matches are always conclusive proof. If you and I get into an altercation caught on video at a gas station and I end up dead that afternoon is this proof? It may well be enough for a conviction, but it's hardly proof. Let's say I have a one night stand with a girl and when I leave, her BF murders her, is my DNA at the crime scene proof? Again, it's enough for a conviction but not to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Neither of these scenarios is far-fetched. I know of a case where a man was convicted of murder for "satanic" comics he had drawn. Art. Proof? No but enough to convince a jury. Hence the appeals process. We all get the same rights, not just those who SEEM more savory.
I agree that DNA evidence isn't enough proof, and no, the kind of video evidence you mention isn't proof either. Video proof in my book would be clear video of the person actually committing the crime. But even then, don't punish murder with murder. And don't give your government permission to commit murder of a citizen in your own country under any circumstances.
I agree! Leave the passionate calls for "justice" (vengeance) in the trash can and work toward a peaceful mindset.
Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?
Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?
Compassion? Who said anything about compassion? Being opposed to the death penalty has nothing to do with compassion as far as I'm concerned, unless you mean compassion for the people who are innocent and sent to death row anyway. I have a lot of compassion for them.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Ok,I get your points and they are valid.But take those two clowns who tied up and burned the family to death in Connecticut.A witnessed hideous crime,or the movie theatre shooter,or the Boston Bomber .Do all these humans deserve compassion ?What about their victims?Where they given a choice,or compassion?
They don't deserve compassion. But do we stoop to their level. Not in rational society. And rather have those ass hats live than take the chance of one innocent put to death.
Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?
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when someone is caught red-handed guilty as clear as crystal spring water & they are a very dangerous bad little monster, off they go to fight some isis guys in cage matches. or like carlin said, gravy dipped & locked in a room w/ a wolverine on angel dust
Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?
screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free
Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?
screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free
Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?
screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free
Does a guy like Michael Rafferty seriously deserve better? He raped and killed beautiful little 8 year old Tori Stafford in as brutal fashion as possible.
... he joked and smirked as he chatted with a defence co-counsel, as if he had not a care in the world. And, of course, they knew nothing about his enthusiasm for child rape and other horrors because the Crown's evidence about his Internet interests was ruled inadmissible.
But the jury probably did notice his attire on one of the trial’s most unpleasant days, when pathologist Michael Pollanen detailed the frightful wounds inflicted on Tori, who was kidnapped, raped and beaten to death with a hammer. To the distress of Tori's relatives, seated at the front of the public gallery, Mr. Rafferty sported a crisp new purple shirt – Tori's favourite colour, and her family's emblem.
As the awful autopsy images were flashed on to the screen – Tori’s skull was cracked, 16 of her 24 ribs were broken by being stomped upon, and her liver was lacerated – he looked bored, and at one point yawned.
Killing an individual in order to avenge another killing just smacks of a frontier justice that has never led to a decent, livable society. Even with those pesky "technicalities" (which help protect everyone's legal rights, including yours), does anyone really want the state to have a legal means to execute its citizens?
screw the state. private citizens or family members should have a go at some of these low lifes. it would cost the state nothing, it would cost bob $3.50 for a 50 caliber round or go cheaper, throw the maniac child serial predator off a cliff for free
Life isn't actually a video game.
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International standards on the use of the death penalty state that the death penalty should not be imposed against people with mental disabilities. This safeguard continues to be ignored in the USA.
Florida executed John Ferguson on 5 August, despite his decades-long history of mental illness which pre-dated his crimes. He was first diagnosed with schizophrenia in 1971. In 1975 a court-appointed psychiatrist concluded that Ferguson’s severe mental illness rendered him dangerous and meant that he “should not be released under any circumstances” from a maximum security mental hospital. He was, however, discharged, and within three years was on death row for eight murders. The diagnoses of serious mental illness, including by prison doctors, continued on death row.
On 21 August, the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit found Texas death row prisoner Scott Panetti competent for execution and rejected the claim that he had been incompetent to represent himself at his 1995 trial. Scott Panetti was sentenced to death for murdering his parents-in-law in 1992, several years after he was first diagnosed with schizophrenia. He had been hospitalized for mental illness, including bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, on a number of occasions prior to the crime.
Warren Hill’s execution was stopped three hours before it was due to be carried out on 19 July in Georgia, in connection with litigation on the state’s lethal injection protocol. Despite all seven experts to have assessed Warren Hill stating that he had “mental retardation”, the execution was not stopped on these grounds. The execution of those with “mental retardation” has been prohibited in the USA since 2002, but concerns remain about implementation of this US Supreme Court ruling.
A year earlier, on 17 July 2012, the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary extrajudicial executions had urged the US authorities to stop the execution of Warren Hill. He voiced “particular concern that Georgia is now the only US state that requires proof of what it calls ‘mental retardation beyond reasonable doubt,’ rather than a preponderance of the evidence as in other jurisdictions.”
96: Cork, Dublin
00: Dublin
06: London, Dublin
07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
09: Manchester, London
10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
11: San José
12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
But we know for a fact that it's happened to as many as 1200 people since 1976. And people still support it. They obviously don't care about innocent people being killed. They are too busy focusing on revenge.
Dip a guy in brown gravy and lock him in a room with a wolverine high on angel dust. There's a guy who won't be fuckin' with kids at the bus stop for a while.
Take a small tactical nuclear weapon and stuff it up his ass (or that little small hole at the end of a guy's dick).
Funny clip.
Essentially, between sniffles and long dramatic pauses... the guy says, "Sorry" for beating his 5 year old daughter to death on a military base in Hawaii. He explains that he was very frustrated and that is why he beat her to death. This explanation for his motivation seems to make sense, I guess?
He also wants the chance to be a better father to his two other children, an 11-year-old son who lives in Georgia and a nine-year-old daughter who lives in Tennessee.
I guess he's not only asking for people to spare his life... he wants the freedom to try being a dad again?
Incredulously, his crime isn't near as horrific as some child murderer's crimes (although a child's death at the hands of her father bears some grimacing). As such- being I'm becoming more and more desensitized to these acts- I'm indifferent to what our response should be... just so long as he doesn't get the chance to 'play dad' again.
http://www.canada.com/life/soldier+apologizes+killing+five+year+daughter+asks+jury+live/9908325/story.html
http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/courtroom-drama-texas-slaughter-suspect-collapses-before-judge
It's not going to happen though. He's got some really good courtroom theatrics going on (collapsing before the judge)... and he's got a crafty attorney using the oldest one in the book (going for the old 'not guilty plea by reason of insanity'). Guaranteed there'll be some idiots falling hook, line and sinker for these shenanigans. They'll overlook the fact that he was on a cross country tour in pursuit of his ex-wife.
It's interesting how he got a little weak-kneed confronted by his obscenity, but stood strong when he fatally shot Stephen and Katie Stay, and their four children, ages 4 to 14, in the back of their heads.
Fuckin' loser.
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Henry McCollum, Leon Brown declared innocent after 30 years in prison
None of the DNA collected at the scene was linked to Brown or McCollum
The fact that these two innocent people were falsely convicted doesn't change my opinion that Clifford Olson deserved death for kidnapping, torturing and killing a dozen of our province's children though. Maybe if he hadn't nailed spikes into their heads while they were still alive I'd feel differently? I don't know.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Firing squad would be quicker,and more humane.Not that I care about the last part.
But even then, don't punish murder with murder. And don't give your government permission to commit murder of a citizen in your own country under any circumstances.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
... he joked and smirked as he chatted with a defence co-counsel, as if he had not a care in the world. And, of course, they knew nothing about his enthusiasm for child rape and other horrors because the Crown's evidence about his Internet interests was ruled inadmissible.
But the jury probably did notice his attire on one of the trial’s most unpleasant days, when pathologist Michael Pollanen detailed the frightful wounds inflicted on Tori, who was kidnapped, raped and beaten to death with a hammer. To the distress of Tori's relatives, seated at the front of the public gallery, Mr. Rafferty sported a crisp new purple shirt – Tori's favourite colour, and her family's emblem.
As the awful autopsy images were flashed on to the screen – Tori’s skull was cracked, 16 of her 24 ribs were broken by being stomped upon, and her liver was lacerated – he looked bored, and at one point yawned.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/michael-raffertys-evil-defies-explanation/article4184526/
How awful of people to think this loser deserves death for his offence.