a "smoking gun ?" those doc's are full of stuff that a well funded lawyer can dance around.. and besides that is not the question you asked at first, and yes he is taking a chance supporting this case,you don't see that ? even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.
yeah buddy there is always risk.
did EV contribute $$ to the legal team at all ?
Godfather.
They were not false confessions.
The last confession jessie made, his lawyer Stidham did not want him to do. In that confession Jessie says that he tried to confuse the police by saying rope instead of shoestrings. Also Jessie claimed he left early and said he went to drink a bottle of booze and threw it down, explain why his attorney went a year after the crime to look for the broken bottle? If he thought Jessie was lying and just making up this last confession why did he even bother to go looking for it.
Can you offer an explaination as to why an innocent Misskelly would continue to tell his own attorney he was present and participated in the murders long after he was no longer in the custody of his interrogators?
Maybe because he'd been pressured by the prosecution.
After his conviction, LE worked on Jessie, attempting to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. They had him convinced that his attorneys were not there to help him. There were only two post conviction statements. The first was in the car on the way to prison. This type of statement is very common in someone of Jessie's IQ. It was an attempt to tell the authorities what they wanted to hear so he (Jessie) could go home. The second post conviction statement, the one made over the objection of his attorneys, was, as I said before, after LE had been talking to Jessie, without notifying his attorneys, in an attempt to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. As you probably know, Jessie did not testify against Damien and Jason because he simply couldn't continue telling his false story any longer. He has not "continued to confess." He has maintained his innocence since approximately one month after his conviction.
even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.
There was no evidence.
The only thing the prosecution had were the coerced confessions of Jessie Misskelley, which were full of inaccuracies, and which he recanted one month later. He has claimed his innocence ever since.
Ed Vedder obviously looked deeply into this case and was 100% convinced that the convictions of the WM3 were a stitch-up. There's no way he'd have gone public with his support for the WM3 unless he was 100% convinced of their innocence.
The prosecutions case against those three boys, on the other hand, was a sham from beginning to end.
even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.
There was no evidence.
The only thing the prosecution had were the coerced confessions of Jessie Misskelley, which were full of inaccuracies, and which he recanted one month later. He has claimed his innocence ever since.
Ed Vedder obviously looked deeply into this case and was 1005 convinced that the convictions of the WM3 were a stitch-up. There's no way he'd have gone public with his support for the WM3 unless he was 100% convinced of their innocence.
The prosecutions case against those three boys, on the other hand, was a sham from beginning to end.
There was physical and trace evidence, albeit circumstantial.
To say there is no evidence is false.
a lot more evidence points towards terry hobbs than the WM3...members of his own family thought he did it all along and he lied about where he was at the time of the murders. too bad he didn't listen to metallica and wear black.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
these 3 beat, raped and murdered 3 kids and then had no traces of blood on them?
Anyone who reads about this case for 30 minutes and thinks these 3 had anything to do with it should not be allowed to breed!
You should not be allowed to post, why post when you havent even read about the case for 30 seconds...
If you did, you would know whats wrong in your post.
i've been reading about the case since i was 16. i'm 31 now. and i can't argue with someone who thinks rain would wash away an enormous amount of blood in such a short time.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Then why does ED assume to know...
It was the court documented time line, I think if it was false the defense would have went after it...
I havent taken you seriously... You just posted that they did the luminol test "some two weeks after" when it was 5 days after...
I can't believe you started ANOTHER thread about this.
Ed does not ASSUME to know anything. He is so familiar with the facts of this case that he is actually part of the defense team. He knows stuff you don't know or understand.
You are a random guy on a message board who has repeatedly lied about and misrepresented the facts. You have also demonstrated time & again that you do not fully read or understand the documents you are posting.
The fact is, the document you posted does not indicate how or when things ended with Jessie that day. It does NOT indicate that he went home at the end of the document or even that the interrogation did not continue. You are posting a document that does not support your claims.
I'm not going to address anything else except the topic of this thread - the supposed lie that Ed told about the length of the interrogation. (You haven't even proven, by the way, that he ever said this on his playbill.) If you want to discuss the other facts of the case, please return to the other thread where that discussion is already in progress - where nearly everything you have claimed has already been clearly disproven with documented evidence.
If you wish to speak with Ed about what you're calling his "lying," you'll need to contact him elsewhere. It's not ok to come here and make abusive comments
Thats not why it was locked.
Also, letter has already been sent to the fan club.
I am not expecting a response.
I'd love to read that letter if you're willing to post it.
i've been reading about the case since i was 16. i'm 31 now. and i can't argue with someone who thinks rain would wash away an enormous amount of blood in such a short time.
You studied the case for 15 years?
They were raped?
I can't believe you started ANOTHER thread about this.
Ed does not ASSUME to know anything. He is so familiar with the facts of this case that he is actually part of the defense team. He knows stuff you don't know or understand.
You are a random guy on a message board who has repeatedly lied about and misrepresented the facts. You have also demonstrated time & again that you do not fully read or understand the documents you are posting.
The fact is, the document you posted does not indicate how or when things ended with Jessie that day. It does NOT indicate that he went home at the end of the document or even that the interrogation did not continue. You are posting a document that does not support your claims. Then how does eddie know its 12 hours then?
I'm not going to address anything else except the topic of this thread - the supposed lie that Ed told about the length of the interrogation. (You haven't even proven, by the way, that he ever said this on his playbill.) If you want to discuss the other facts of the case, please return to the other thread where that discussion is already in progress - where nearly everything you have claimed has already been clearly disproven with documented evidence. Do I need to take a picture?
Nothing I have said has been disproven...
Nothing will convince you...
I would think as long as you are still in the interrogation room you would still be considered 'under interrogation' even if not being asked direct questions. so from 9:00 am to 9:00 pm would be 12 hours. i guess you have to define what interrogation means. by the definition of being in the interrogation room (which i don't know to be a fact but seems to be indicated by what you posted here) 12 hours seems about right UNDER THAT DEFINITION. i think a reasonable person could argue that 12 hours is correct under those terms.
I can't believe you started ANOTHER thread about this.
Ed does not ASSUME to know anything. He is so familiar with the facts of this case that he is actually part of the defense team. He knows stuff you don't know or understand.
You are a random guy on a message board who has repeatedly lied about and misrepresented the facts. You have also demonstrated time & again that you do not fully read or understand the documents you are posting.
The fact is, the document you posted does not indicate how or when things ended with Jessie that day. It does NOT indicate that he went home at the end of the document or even that the interrogation did not continue. You are posting a document that does not support your claims. Then how does eddie know its 12 hours then?
I'm not going to address anything else except the topic of this thread - the supposed lie that Ed told about the length of the interrogation. (You haven't even proven, by the way, that he ever said this on his playbill.) If you want to discuss the other facts of the case, please return to the other thread where that discussion is already in progress - where nearly everything you have claimed has already been clearly disproven with documented evidence. Do I need to take a picture?
Nothing I have said has been disproven...
Nothing will convince you...
He is part of the defense team. He knows more about it than you do.
Wow, it's like you're delusional or something. Like you think if you say something enough times - and start a new thread about it to detract from the documentation that you're full of shit - then people will believe you.
Its sad that because hes Eddie Vedder of PJ, no one can acknowledge that he lied for a cause he supports...
see what i posted about. unless you have evidence that says the 'interrogation' was over at 5:00, what you listed could be construed as he was interrogated for 12 hours. i will state that i really don't know what went on there for sure just presenting the case here.
sooo did rolling stone lie too....their article also references the "questionable" 12 HOUR interrogation... you gonna start threads calling them liars too. Eddie has done a wonderful job supporting a cause that he believes in. nuff said
Its sad that because hes Eddie Vedder of PJ, no one can acknowledge that he lied for a cause he supports...
see what i posted about. unless you have evidence that says the 'interrogation' was over at 5:00, what you listed could be construed as he was interrogated for 12 hours. i will state that i really don't know what went on there for sure just presenting the case here.
Read the OP, the was not asked anything after 5pm.
And he already CONFESSED at 3:18...
Wow...another wm3 thread bitching about eds involvement...this is just like the people who are threatening Casey Anthony. Get on with your lives people. Instead of griping about ed and retrying the case on amt why not work on finding the real killers....
I could not for the life of me imagine myself supporting any artist that I so vehemently disagree with....but hey that's just me...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That is originally what the police believed and you seem to think they did a great job. I should have clarified what I meant.
If you truly believe that Eddie helped to free 3 murderers then I hope you never listen to PJ again. If I believed that I know I wouldn't be able to support them.
i've been reading about the case since i was 16. i'm 31 now. and i can't argue with someone who thinks rain would wash away an enormous amount of blood in such a short time.
You studied the case for 15 years?
They were raped?
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
That is originally what the police believed and you seem to think they did a great job. I should have clarified what I meant.
If you truly believe that Eddie helped to free 3 murderers then I hope you never listen to PJ again. If I believed that I know I wouldn't be able to support them.
i've been reading about the case since i was 16. i'm 31 now. and i can't argue with someone who thinks rain would wash away an enormous amount of blood in such a short time.
You studied the case for 15 years?
They were raped?
Really... now your backpedaling...
Autopsy were done on the 7th, death form released on the 10th. (4 days after)
None of those documents refer to rape...
You know Blockhead, I haven't followed this case all that closely, nor do I really care. There are plenty of people locked up right here in my home state (some allegedly innocent) and all over the country/world that I don't really give a shit about one case in Arkansas just because it is a pet project of every musician/celebrity under the sun. I don't know whether they are guilty or innocent, though as with many things I've heard Ed talk about in the past, I'm sure it's not nearly as simple as makes it out to be. I don't know if he "lied", if he just doesn't know any better, or if he's right. Don't know, don't care.
I don't mind that Ed got involved, and I certainly don't mind that some people disagree with him (I only agree with about half of what he says myself) on this issue and that amidst the celebration some people have their own questions and opinions on the subject. There are some people here who think they are innocent simply because the Almighty Ed said so, some that did their own research and came to the same conclusion as Ed, and some that have researched the matter and think these guys were guilty.
But having said that, you've got to relax bud. Being passionate about an issue is one thing, but you're something else entirely. If you want to have a meaningful conversation on the matter, there has to be give and take, and not this hardline stance of "Ed is a liar" and "you're all wrong" etc. I think you'll find that the titles of your threads alone are enough to make people dislike you before they even read what you have to say.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
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yeah buddy there is always risk.
did EV contribute $$ to the legal team at all ?
Godfather.
Why would he lie if he was 'confessing'?
Maybe because he'd been pressured by the prosecution.
After his conviction, LE worked on Jessie, attempting to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. They had him convinced that his attorneys were not there to help him. There were only two post conviction statements. The first was in the car on the way to prison. This type of statement is very common in someone of Jessie's IQ. It was an attempt to tell the authorities what they wanted to hear so he (Jessie) could go home. The second post conviction statement, the one made over the objection of his attorneys, was, as I said before, after LE had been talking to Jessie, without notifying his attorneys, in an attempt to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. As you probably know, Jessie did not testify against Damien and Jason because he simply couldn't continue telling his false story any longer. He has not "continued to confess." He has maintained his innocence since approximately one month after his conviction.
There was no evidence.
The only thing the prosecution had were the coerced confessions of Jessie Misskelley, which were full of inaccuracies, and which he recanted one month later. He has claimed his innocence ever since.
Ed Vedder obviously looked deeply into this case and was 100% convinced that the convictions of the WM3 were a stitch-up. There's no way he'd have gone public with his support for the WM3 unless he was 100% convinced of their innocence.
The prosecutions case against those three boys, on the other hand, was a sham from beginning to end.
To say there is no evidence is false.
these 3 beat, raped and murdered 3 kids and then had no traces of blood on them?
Anyone who reads about this case for 30 minutes and thinks these 3 had anything to do with it should not be allowed to breed!
If you did, you would know whats wrong in your post.
Godfather.
i am embarrassed for you
hopefully you never serve on a jury.
Another habit says its long overdue
Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
So? No then.
I can't believe you started ANOTHER thread about this.
Ed does not ASSUME to know anything. He is so familiar with the facts of this case that he is actually part of the defense team. He knows stuff you don't know or understand.
You are a random guy on a message board who has repeatedly lied about and misrepresented the facts. You have also demonstrated time & again that you do not fully read or understand the documents you are posting.
The fact is, the document you posted does not indicate how or when things ended with Jessie that day. It does NOT indicate that he went home at the end of the document or even that the interrogation did not continue. You are posting a document that does not support your claims.
I'm not going to address anything else except the topic of this thread - the supposed lie that Ed told about the length of the interrogation. (You haven't even proven, by the way, that he ever said this on his playbill.) If you want to discuss the other facts of the case, please return to the other thread where that discussion is already in progress - where nearly everything you have claimed has already been clearly disproven with documented evidence.
They were raped?
He is part of the defense team. He knows more about it than you do.
Wow, it's like you're delusional or something. Like you think if you say something enough times - and start a new thread about it to detract from the documentation that you're full of shit - then people will believe you.
see what i posted about. unless you have evidence that says the 'interrogation' was over at 5:00, what you listed could be construed as he was interrogated for 12 hours. i will state that i really don't know what went on there for sure just presenting the case here.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... e-20110901
sooo did rolling stone lie too....their article also references the "questionable" 12 HOUR interrogation...
And he already CONFESSED at 3:18...
I could not for the life of me imagine myself supporting any artist that I so vehemently disagree with....but hey that's just me...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Somebody answer this and cite your source.
Otherwise this thread is the equivalent of 'tards humping a doorknob.
If you truly believe that Eddie helped to free 3 murderers then I hope you never listen to PJ again. If I believed that I know I wouldn't be able to support them.
Autopsy were done on the 7th, death form released on the 10th. (4 days after)
None of those documents refer to rape...
I don't mind that Ed got involved, and I certainly don't mind that some people disagree with him (I only agree with about half of what he says myself) on this issue and that amidst the celebration some people have their own questions and opinions on the subject. There are some people here who think they are innocent simply because the Almighty Ed said so, some that did their own research and came to the same conclusion as Ed, and some that have researched the matter and think these guys were guilty.
But having said that, you've got to relax bud. Being passionate about an issue is one thing, but you're something else entirely. If you want to have a meaningful conversation on the matter, there has to be give and take, and not this hardline stance of "Ed is a liar" and "you're all wrong" etc. I think you'll find that the titles of your threads alone are enough to make people dislike you before they even read what you have to say.