The Eddie Vedder LIE (WM3)
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Godfather. wrote:BinauralJam wrote:Blockhead, have you ever been arrested?
wow Bro tha's kind of a personal question.......I have once or twice..
Godfather.
I have to,i'm not ashamed, sometimes you don't get away with it, especailly when your driving a Golf Cart and there in a Cop car, but i wondered if Blockhead as had any experiance on the other side of the fence.0 -
They pled guilty?Byrnzie wrote:
Jesse maintained his guilt for months to his own attornies after his arrest, and confessed twice more after his conviction.
Thats about as smoking gun as evidence gets...0 -
Thats not why it was locked.Byrnzie wrote:
Also, letter has already been sent to the fan club.
I am not expecting a response.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
again 11 hours in custody is not 12 of interrogation.Byrnzie wrote:Blockhead wrote:The last thread was locked/closed (for bringing eddies family into it)
This was written in the June 17th East Coast/Far west Sniper (playbill)
"came after 12 hours of Interrogation"
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmtl.html
8:00am: Squad meeting/discussed attempting to pick up Jessie Misskelley Jr in reference to his being a member of cult that Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin are said to be members of. Check possibility of his being a witness to homicide or any statements he may have overheard from Damien or anyone concerning the homicide.
9:13am: Detective Sgt. Mike Allen checked into service.
Detective Allen went to the residence of Jessie Misskelley Jr. to attempt to make contact. Contacted the female who was at the residence who informed that Jessie Jr was not at the residence. She informed Allen that he could go to Jim’s Diesel Repair and meet with Jessie Misskelley Sr.
9:45am: Allen went to Jim’s repair and met with Jessie Sr who went and picked up Jessie Misskelley Jr. Jessie Misskelley Jr then went with Detective Sgt Allen to the West Memphis Police Department.
10:00am: Detective Sgt Allen filled out the subject description form and the interview began with the questions or any knowledge he had of the homicide and his whereabouts on the day of the homicide.
11:00am: Detective Sgt Allen read Jessie Misskelley Jr his rights according to the Miranda Rule with Detective Ridge being a witness to the procedure. It was determined that it would be necessary for Misskelley Sr to sign a consent to allow Jessie Jr. to submit to a polygraph examination.
11:15am: Detective Sgt Allen went with Jessie Misskelley Jr to find his father to obtain consent to take a polygraph examination. Sgt. Allen had Jessie riding as a unsecured passenger in the front seat at which time he met Jessie at or near Missouri Street and Shopping Way. Sgt. Allen met with Jessie Misskelley Sr at Chief's Auto Parts where he explained the upcoming procedure and obtained a written consent for Jessie Misskelley Jr to take a polygraph examination.
11:30am: Jessie Misskelley Jr was read his rights according to the Miranda Rule by Bill Durham prior to his administering a polygraph examination.
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11:55am: First chart was completed during polygraph examination.
12:03pm: Second chart completed during polygraph examination
12:11pm: Third chart completed during polygraph examination. After the test about 15 minutes were spent in the post test interview.
12:30pm: Bill Durham advised detective ridge, Inspector Gitchell, and Sgt Mike Allen that Jessie Misskelley Jr was being deceptive in his responses to the relevant questions asked during the polygraph examination.
12:40pm: It was decided that detective ridge and Inspector Gitchell would continue the interview.
2:20pm: Jessie states to Inspector Gitchell that he was present when the three boys were killed. Preparations were begun to tape the rest of the interrogation when it was determined that Jessie was a direct witness or a participant of the homicide.
2:44pm: The taped confession began with Jessie Misskelley Jr being questioned by Detective Ridge and Inspector Gitchell.
3:18pm: The taped confession was completed. Work was started in reference to obtaining search warrants and arrest warrants for the persons named as participants in the homicide.
3:22pm: Jessie Jr offered food which he declined and was given two cigarettes.
[the word "incorrect" is written in margin] 3:45pm Inspector Gitchell conducted a second interview with Jessie Misskelley Jr to clear up some discrepancies concerning time and events in the first interview.
5:05pm: Jessie Jr asked if he wanted any food to eat.
6:15pm: Jessie Jr was fed.
6:30pm: Jessie Jr was asked if he want to relieve himself.
9:06pm: Ridge, Gitchell, Fogelman present for a probable cause hearing with Judge P Rainey presiding.
9:14pm: Testimony was given concerning the probable cause for the search warrants and arrest warrants for those involved in the homicide.
Any sort of interrogation was over by 5pm. If my math is correct 10am to 5pm is 7 hours. Taped confession was complete by 3:18 pm.
I see alot of people post about Eddie being some sort of expert on this case, and many people saying they trust his judgement.
Any reason why he would lie, and why do you continue to support him on this case?
He was in police custody for at least eleven hours the day of the first so-called 'confession'.
So this makes Ed Vedder a liar?
Pathetic.
AND he was not interrogated after 5pm.
How do you know what went on in the time between such things as him being given a cigarette [3:22pm] and being given some food to eat [6:15pm]? How do you know what went on in the time between him being asked if he wanted to relieve himself [6:30pm] and his giving testimony [9:14pm]?
You don't.
You don't know shit.
All of the evidence points to the so-called 'confessions' as having been false confessions - based on intimidation and coercion.
Everyone of the points you've raised regarding this case has been conjecture.
You have NO EVIDENCE.
You have also lied on numerous occasions in the other thread and tried to muddy the water with selective use of the facts.
And yet you have the audacity to start yet another thread accusing Ed Vedder of being a liar?
Sorry pal, but I cannot take anything you say seriously anymore.Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
Blockhead wrote:The last thread was locked/closed (for bringing eddies family into it)
This was written in the June 17th East Coast/Far west Sniper (playbill)
"came after 12 hours of Interrogation"
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/jmtl.html
8:00am: Squad meeting/discussed attempting to pick up Jessie Misskelley Jr in reference to his being a member of cult that Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin are said to be members of. Check possibility of his being a witness to homicide or any statements he may have overheard from Damien or anyone concerning the homicide.
9:13am: Detective Sgt. Mike Allen checked into service.
Detective Allen went to the residence of Jessie Misskelley Jr. to attempt to make contact. Contacted the female who was at the residence who informed that Jessie Jr was not at the residence. She informed Allen that he could go to Jim’s Diesel Repair and meet with Jessie Misskelley Sr.
9:45am: Allen went to Jim’s repair and met with Jessie Sr who went and picked up Jessie Misskelley Jr. Jessie Misskelley Jr then went with Detective Sgt Allen to the West Memphis Police Department.
10:00am: Detective Sgt Allen filled out the subject description form and the interview began with the questions or any knowledge he had of the homicide and his whereabouts on the day of the homicide.
11:00am: Detective Sgt Allen read Jessie Misskelley Jr his rights according to the Miranda Rule with Detective Ridge being a witness to the procedure. It was determined that it would be necessary for Misskelley Sr to sign a consent to allow Jessie Jr. to submit to a polygraph examination.
11:15am: Detective Sgt Allen went with Jessie Misskelley Jr to find his father to obtain consent to take a polygraph examination. Sgt. Allen had Jessie riding as a unsecured passenger in the front seat at which time he met Jessie at or near Missouri Street and Shopping Way. Sgt. Allen met with Jessie Misskelley Sr at Chief's Auto Parts where he explained the upcoming procedure and obtained a written consent for Jessie Misskelley Jr to take a polygraph examination.
11:30am: Jessie Misskelley Jr was read his rights according to the Miranda Rule by Bill Durham prior to his administering a polygraph examination.
# 006047
11:55am: First chart was completed during polygraph examination.
12:03pm: Second chart completed during polygraph examination
12:11pm: Third chart completed during polygraph examination. After the test about 15 minutes were spent in the post test interview.
12:30pm: Bill Durham advised detective ridge, Inspector Gitchell, and Sgt Mike Allen that Jessie Misskelley Jr was being deceptive in his responses to the relevant questions asked during the polygraph examination.
12:40pm: It was decided that detective ridge and Inspector Gitchell would continue the interview.
2:20pm: Jessie states to Inspector Gitchell that he was present when the three boys were killed. Preparations were begun to tape the rest of the interrogation when it was determined that Jessie was a direct witness or a participant of the homicide.
2:44pm: The taped confession began with Jessie Misskelley Jr being questioned by Detective Ridge and Inspector Gitchell.
3:18pm: The taped confession was completed. Work was started in reference to obtaining search warrants and arrest warrants for the persons named as participants in the homicide.
3:22pm: Jessie Jr offered food which he declined and was given two cigarettes.
[the word "incorrect" is written in margin] 3:45pm Inspector Gitchell conducted a second interview with Jessie Misskelley Jr to clear up some discrepancies concerning time and events in the first interview.
5:05pm: Jessie Jr asked if he wanted any food to eat.
6:15pm: Jessie Jr was fed.
6:30pm: Jessie Jr was asked if he want to relieve himself.
9:06pm: Ridge, Gitchell, Fogelman present for a probable cause hearing with Judge P Rainey presiding.
9:14pm: Testimony was given concerning the probable cause for the search warrants and arrest warrants for those involved in the homicide.
Any sort of interrogation was over by 5pm. If my math is correct 10am to 5pm is 7 hours. Taped confession was complete by 3:18 pm.
I see alot of people post about Eddie being some sort of expert on this case, and many people saying they trust his judgement.
Any reason why he would lie, and why do you continue to support him on this case?
You could nic pick the facts of this case for months, and just like everyone involved in the case, still be wrong. The bottomline is this, EV doesn’t have to justify or apologize to anyone for the causes he chose to support. He has never barred anyone from his concerts based on his personal beliefs. You were always free to choose. Let it go!!!SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.0 -
Then why does ED assume to know...Byrnzie wrote:How do you know what went on in the time between such things as him being given a cigarette [3:22pm] and being given some food to eat [6:15pm]? How do you know what went on in the time between him being asked if he wanted to relieve himself [6:30pm] and his giving testimony [9:14pm]?
You don't.
You don't know shit.
Everyone of the points you've raised regarding this case has been conjecture.
You have NO EVIDENCE.
You have also lied on numerous occasions in the other thread and tried to muddy the water with selective use of the facts.
And yet you have the audacity to start yet another thread accusing Ed Vedder of being a liar?
Sorry pal, but I cannot take anything you seriously anymore.
It was the court documented time line, I think if it was false the defense would have went after it...
I havent taken you seriously... You just posted that they did the luminol test "some two weeks after" when it was 5 days after...0 -
wow... How am i nitpicking... He blatantly lied. 7 hours is not 12.puremagic wrote:
You could nic pick the facts of this case for months, and just like everyone involved in the case, still be wrong. The bottomline is this, EV doesn’t have to justify or apologize to anyone for the causes he chose to support. He has never barred anyone from his concerts based on his personal beliefs. You were always free to choose. Let it go!!!
I don't care what he supports, just as long as he dosent use lies to influence his followers...0 -
Blockhead wrote:
They pled guilty?Byrnzie wrote:
Jesse maintained his guilt for months to his own attornies after his arrest, and confessed twice more after his conviction.
Thats about as smoking gun as evidence gets...
The confessions were false confessions.
He then recanted them one month later and has recanted them ever since, claiming they were made after hours of sustained police intimidation and coercion. This was carried out with someone with an I.Q of 72.
Also, the so-called 'confessions' were full of inaccuracies that directly contradicted the evidence at the crime scene and the time of the murders.
But then you already know all this, and you don't care. Because you have no real interest in the justice of this case at all.
There is NO smoking gun.0 -
They were not false confessions.Byrnzie wrote:Blockhead wrote:They pled guilty?
Jesse maintained his guilt for months to his own attornies after his arrest, and confessed twice more after his conviction.
Thats about as smoking gun as evidence gets...
The confessions were false confessions.
He then recanted them one month later and has recanted them ever since, claiming they were made after hours of sustained police intimidation and coercion. This was carried out with someone with an I.Q of 72.
Also, the so-called 'confessions' were full of inaccuracies that directly contradicted the evidence at the crime scene and the time of the murders.
But then you already know all this, and you don't care. Because you have no real interest in the justice of this case at all.
There is NO smoking gun.
The last confession jessie made, his lawyer Stidham did not want him to do. In that confession Jessie says that he tried to confuse the police by saying rope instead of shoestrings. Also Jessie claimed he left early and said he went to drink a bottle of booze and threw it down, explain why his attorney went a year after the crime to look for the broken bottle? If he thought Jessie was lying and just making up this last confession why did he even bother to go looking for it.
Can you offer an explaination as to why an innocent Misskelly would continue to tell his own attorney he was present and participated in the murders long after he was no longer in the custody of his interrogators?0 -
a "smoking gun ?" those doc's are full of stuff that a well funded lawyer can dance around.. and besides that is not the question you asked at first, and yes he is taking a chance supporting this case,you don't see that ? even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.Byrnzie wrote:
yeah buddy there is always risk.
did EV contribute $$ to the legal team at all ?
Godfather.0 -
Blockhead wrote:They were not false confessions.
The last confession jessie made, his lawyer Stidham did not want him to do. In that confession Jessie says that he tried to confuse the police by saying rope instead of shoestrings. Also Jessie claimed he left early and said he went to drink a bottle of booze and threw it down, explain why his attorney went a year after the crime to look for the broken bottle? If he thought Jessie was lying and just making up this last confession why did he even bother to go looking for it.
Why would he lie if he was 'confessing'?Blockhead wrote:Can you offer an explaination as to why an innocent Misskelly would continue to tell his own attorney he was present and participated in the murders long after he was no longer in the custody of his interrogators?
Maybe because he'd been pressured by the prosecution.
After his conviction, LE worked on Jessie, attempting to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. They had him convinced that his attorneys were not there to help him. There were only two post conviction statements. The first was in the car on the way to prison. This type of statement is very common in someone of Jessie's IQ. It was an attempt to tell the authorities what they wanted to hear so he (Jessie) could go home. The second post conviction statement, the one made over the objection of his attorneys, was, as I said before, after LE had been talking to Jessie, without notifying his attorneys, in an attempt to get him to testify against Damien and Jason. As you probably know, Jessie did not testify against Damien and Jason because he simply couldn't continue telling his false story any longer. He has not "continued to confess." He has maintained his innocence since approximately one month after his conviction.0 -
Godfather. wrote:even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.
There was no evidence.
The only thing the prosecution had were the coerced confessions of Jessie Misskelley, which were full of inaccuracies, and which he recanted one month later. He has claimed his innocence ever since.
Ed Vedder obviously looked deeply into this case and was 100% convinced that the convictions of the WM3 were a stitch-up. There's no way he'd have gone public with his support for the WM3 unless he was 100% convinced of their innocence.
The prosecutions case against those three boys, on the other hand, was a sham from beginning to end.Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
There was physical and trace evidence, albeit circumstantial.Byrnzie wrote:Godfather. wrote:even without any evidence one way or an other in a murder case there is always risk because your dealing with human mental issues (anger,control issues etc.) and a lawyer that has a job to defend his client guilty or not.
There was no evidence.
The only thing the prosecution had were the coerced confessions of Jessie Misskelley, which were full of inaccuracies, and which he recanted one month later. He has claimed his innocence ever since.
Ed Vedder obviously looked deeply into this case and was 1005 convinced that the convictions of the WM3 were a stitch-up. There's no way he'd have gone public with his support for the WM3 unless he was 100% convinced of their innocence.
The prosecutions case against those three boys, on the other hand, was a sham from beginning to end.
To say there is no evidence is false.0 -
what physical evidence?
these 3 beat, raped and murdered 3 kids and then had no traces of blood on them?
Anyone who reads about this case for 30 minutes and thinks these 3 had anything to do with it should not be allowed to breed!This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0 -
a lot more evidence points towards terry hobbs than the WM3...members of his own family thought he did it all along and he lied about where he was at the time of the murders. too bad he didn't listen to metallica and wear black.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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You should not be allowed to post, why post when you havent even read about the case for 30 seconds...ComeToTX wrote:what physical evidence?
these 3 beat, raped and murdered 3 kids and then had no traces of blood on them?
Anyone who reads about this case for 30 minutes and thinks these 3 had anything to do with it should not be allowed to breed!
If you did, you would know whats wrong in your post.0 -
i've been reading about the case since i was 16. i'm 31 now. and i can't argue with someone who thinks rain would wash away an enormous amount of blood in such a short time.This show, another show, a show here and a show there.0
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well arnt you just a vast wealth of knowledge, but you to study up on breeding.ComeToTX wrote:what physical evidence?
these 3 beat, raped and murdered 3 kids and then had no traces of blood on them?
Anyone who reads about this case for 30 minutes and thinks these 3 had anything to do with it should not be allowed to breed!
Godfather.0 -
man blockhead....
i am embarrassed for you
hopefully you never serve on a jury.0
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