Moving to Canada...

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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    demetrios wrote:
    come to halifax. i will show you the way's of thy pearl jam swag that i own! ;)
    you know, i still haven't gotten my stuff :(
    in revenge to canada post i'm going to sit around and not sell any stamps at work today.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    hahah just move to the westcoast... we dont even know what's going on on that side of the country :)

    ya next trip to the east coast, make a trip to D ville. i will show you a good time! :)

    i'll be there next year in the westcoast. can't wait for the ride! :)
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    demetrios wrote:
    ya next trip to the east coast, make a trip to D ville. i will show you a good time! :)

    i'll be there next year in the westcoast. can't wait for the ride! :)
    its always a coast to coast party with d!
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    you know, i still haven't gotten my stuff :(
    in revenge to canada post i'm going to sit around and not sell any stamps at work today.

    hopefully this week you'll receive the package.
    lately i'm suprised what's been happening with the postage.
    friend in Jersey just received the package yesterday (that was sent Sept 4th) while a friend in Israel received her package in less then 4 day's .. from Nova Scotia!!!
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    its always a coast to coast party with d!

    ah yeah! book that week or so for flight to mars in '09! :)
    if there's a pj show in halifax '09, come on down.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Hey Arq, if you're still reading this thread, don't mind the childish name calling nonsense between the French and English, It's just something you have to live with if you move to this country. It's like the sound of traffic, very annoying, but you eventually get used to it and you don't hear it anymore. I feel lucky that i'm bilingual. Variety is the spice of life.

    Keep us updated on your move, I know a lot of cool PJ fans in the Toronto area.

    I'm still reading this thread but i can't believe how long this has become, i thought it was gonna be short! but i like as much information as possible, good and bad to round things up!

    Thanks ;)
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    arq wrote:
    I'm still reading this thread but i can't believe how long this has become, i thought it was gonna be short! but i like as much information as possible, good and bad to round things up!

    Thanks ;)
    they are changing the hockey night in canada theme song!
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • arq wrote:
    Well my priorities are:

    have 2 kids
    a house
    a couple o real friends in Canada
    the chance to see Pearl Jam a lot of times
    I nice job, i don't need to be millionarie but a job good enough to take care of my family.

    I'm very Thankful for all the comments, i feel they're all truth and well intentioned.

    Thanks!

    Just to clarify, do you currently have 2 kids and a couple of real friends in Canada, or you want to have 2 kids and a couple of real friends?

    If you currently have 2 kids and want to buy a house when you arrive, I'd stay away from big cities like Vancouver and Toronto - houses are very expensive in these places. If you go out into the surrounding suburbs, housing become more affordable, but if you have to commute in and out of the city each day for work, it'll take years off your life (I'm not kidding). You'd be better off in smaller town (e.g. Guelph, Kitchener-Waterloo, London [Ontario]), that you can work and live in, but are still within driving distance to Toronto to see PJ play....

    If you're just thinking about a house and kids in the future, by all means start in a big city, and go to a smaller town when you're ready to settle down and have a family....

    Similarly, if you already have friends living in Canada, I'd say go live in the same town as them! You can't put a price on having a built in social network when starting a new life in a new country....

    Ottawa and Montreal are beautiful cities, but the winters are BRUTAL. As in DAMN COLD. I'd love to live in one of them, but I don't think I could handle the winters. I spent one winter in Kingston, Ontario and that was enough.
    Similarly with Vancouver, it may not get cold, but I couldn't handle the rain and lack of sunlight. I think Victoria (apart from being a giant retirement community) or the Okanagan Valley would be more my preference (I'm not sure how good the job opportunities are in the Okanagan are, however...)
    I've visited the East Coat a number of times; the people are very friendly, and it is much more affordable than Toronto or BC. If you can get a job on the East Coast, great. But I don't think PJ play out there often (except the Cdn Tour)....
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    I've visited the East Coat a number of times; the people are very friendly, and it is much more affordable than Toronto or BC. If you can get a job on the East Coast, great. But I don't think PJ play out there often (except the Cdn Tour)....

    it's true. pj has only played here in the east coast of the atlantic canada 3 times, in '05. 1 in halifax & 2 in newfoundland. that's about it. being a fan since '91, it does get depressing living out here, plus hard to find any close friends that are into the music you love.
  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    but must add, it's pretty peaceful & quite here. we got 3 great university of known across canada (dalhousie univeristy, saint mary's university & mount saint vincent university) all close within minutes away. plus acadia university in wolfville. it all balances out.

    with the new dartmouth crossing opening, which will be complete in 10 year's, and hoping to start work on a centre, things are going well here.
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Just to clarify, do you currently have 2 kids and a couple of real friends in Canada, or you want to have 2 kids and a couple of real friends?

    If you currently have 2 kids and want to buy a house when you arrive, I'd stay away from big cities like Vancouver and Toronto - houses are very expensive in these places. If you go out into the surrounding suburbs, housing become more affordable, but if you have to commute in and out of the city each day for work, it'll take years off your life (I'm not kidding). You'd be better off in smaller town (e.g. Guelph, Kitchener-Waterloo, London [Ontario]), that you can work and live in, but are still within driving distance to Toronto to see PJ play....

    If you're just thinking about a house and kids in the future, by all means start in a big city, and go to a smaller town when you're ready to settle down and have a family....

    Similarly, if you already have friends living in Canada, I'd say go live in the same town as them! You can't put a price on having a built in social network when starting a new life in a new country....

    Ottawa and Montreal are beautiful cities, but the winters are BRUTAL. As in DAMN COLD. I'd love to live in one of them, but I don't think I could handle the winters. I spent one winter in Kingston, Ontario and that was enough.
    Similarly with Vancouver, it may not get cold, but I couldn't handle the rain and lack of sunlight. I think Victoria (apart from being a giant retirement community) or the Okanagan Valley would be more my preference (I'm not sure how good the job opportunities are in the Okanagan are, however...)
    I've visited the East Coat a number of times; the people are very friendly, and it is much more affordable than Toronto or BC. If you can get a job on the East Coast, great. But I don't think PJ play out there often (except the Cdn Tour)....


    Not pearl jam very often? mmm... that's hard... I thought maybe Vancouver could be a good city just because is close to Seatle... but i guess a big city for a couple of years it's going to be better, a nice single room or a studio in a big city like toronto or montreal?... sounds nice, isn't?
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  • QcPjFan wrote:
    That was you just said yesterday !!! = oh and don't forget how rude the people are if you're french isn't perfect.

    I can tell you the same! Dont judge the rest of french quebecers based on one loser.

    anyway i love my Country because my country is all i Know !


    What ?!?! I never based my assessment on one person. Also you need to get a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word racist.
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    arq wrote:
    Not pearl jam very often? mmm... that's hard... I thought maybe Vancouver could be a good city just because is close to Seatle... but i guess a big city for a couple of years it's going to be better, a nice single room or a studio in a big city like toronto or montreal?... sounds nice, isn't?
    i've never been to toronto or montreal, but i can speak for vancouver...
    its a city, but its easy to escape from as well.
    vancouver has the largest urban park in canada (Stanley Park) which is amazing and has an amazing sea wall that you can walk/run/skate/bike/whatever around, and in the middle has a zoo and aquarium etc. Plus there's no shortage of mountains (Grouse, Seymour, Cyprus... Whistler/Blackcomb are a bit further away). Most of the mountains you can hike in the summer, and of course ski/snowboard/do other winter wonderland things in the winter.
    It's easy to get to the ferry terminal - about a 20 min bus ride from downtown. Once you're on the ferry to vancouver island, its about an hour and a half ride. Great for weekends or daytrips, there's plenty of resorts, bed and breakfasts etc that are a great way to escape from the stress of a big city.
    Don't forget Vancouver is on the ocean, and though the beaches arent the same as they are further south in the pacific ocean, its still a nice escape.
    The downtown core of Vancouver is relatively small, but its nice all the same. Yes, we have a homeless and drug problem, but its pretty safe and i've never felt threatened walking alone around downtown at night. (of course i never go down hastings solo :))
    Oh yah, Vancouver also has some great public markets and quays, (Granville Island Market, Lonsdale Quay, New Westminster Quay).
    It's a port city, so no flying involved if you ever want a cruise ;)
    Like someone else said, seattle is 3 hours away. Buses and trains go back and forth between vancouver for anywhere between $25 - $80. In fact, when I fly internationally, I bus to seattle and fly from there - always cheaper.
    One of the things I love about Vancouver is you can have urban life and country life in the same day.

    You know, if you have the opportunity, I would try to visit some cities first to see what you get the best feel for. Time permitting, you might even wanna try taking the train across the country, something like Vancouver to Jasper to Calgary...etc all the way to Toronto and Montreal. It's something i've always wanted to do and i think it'd be a great way to get a feel for the Country.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • I have to say, I'm basically a Toronto native and have lived at most an hour from the city since I was five, but the past two years I've been in Ottawa for university and it's quickly becoming my favourite of the two.

    As for winters, I honestly don't think that they are that much worse than what I'm used to in Toronto, as last winter was disgusting for EVERYONE, and the previous winter was actually fairly mild as far as I remember anyway.

    I love Toronto for the general hustle and bustle and of course the music scene, but Ottawa can be just as exciting. It's a more welcoming atmosphere, peaceful and laid-back, and a stunning city, much more distinguished than Toronto in my opinion. The culture here is much more European I find, influenced by its close proximity to Quebec (walking distance to the border), and the Byward Market kicks all of Toronto's ass! :)

    We have some really cool little pubs (The Pour House being my favourite :)), some local bands worth seeing, and some decent bigger bands that make the rounds, although many skip us over and go to Montreal (often the case with PJ), which is still a very doable distance for a show, less than 2 hours. This year I've seen Raine Maida, Foo Fighters and Oasis and I have Uncle Neil lined up in December. Toronto is still only a 4-hour train ride away so the distance is doable if you're willing to take the train, as driving adds on at least an hour. I was at home between May and August so I got my real concert fix then, including a little trip down to Hartford :D

    If you're into history and/or politics, this is Canada's capital city (assuming that most Americans tend to think it's Toronto), so we have museums and monuments, Parliament Hill in all its beauty, the national art gallery, and a hell of a lot more. We have a very diverse community with a huge bilingual population, although you most definitely don't NEED to speak French. It's also university town (Carleton University, University of Ottawa and Algonquin College) so there's always something going on.

    It's a great city for jobs and the housing market is substantially cheaper than most of the other major cities in Canada. it's a small but busy city so it's easy enough to get from the suburbs to the downtown core in 20 minutes. Our public transportation system is incredible, fast and affordable, and a great help in winter as the transit ways are a strong priority, and in my experience it is much more reliable and simpler than the TTC in Toronto or that god-awful electric blue VIVA bus. And no, I'm not a simpleton that's only used to busing around a smaller city -- I was able to figure out the New York subway system pretty well on my own earlier this year.

    There's the Ottawa locks, which is probably my favourite part of the city, and my favourite place to write, read or bring my newest music purchase. It's a great area for biking or hiking and if you go down right to the end overlooking the Rideau Canal, it's quite the sight. I have spent countless days off by myself just drinking it all in while listening to "Into the Wild", and it was actually the very first place I listened to it.

    And speaking of the Rideau Canal, Winterlude and skating on the longest outdoor skating rink in the world is worth the cold.

    Oh and if nothing else can persuade you, there's beaver tails! :D
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    You guys are a mix of wikipedia and real life experience... I can't thank you enough. Still, i don't know yet where to go but i will take the train... :)
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  • arq wrote:
    Not pearl jam very often? mmm... that's hard... I thought maybe Vancouver could be a good city just because is close to Seatle... but i guess a big city for a couple of years it's going to be better, a nice single room or a studio in a big city like toronto or montreal?... sounds nice, isn't?

    Dude... so will you be able to come back to the states after you leave... just asking because of your status that is forcing you to leave... I hope that's not the case so you can see more of PJ sometime in the future....
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  • FifthelementFifthelement Lotusland Posts: 6,963
    This thread has been an awesome read - it's nice to see so many of us so proud of our country, our provinces and our cities. Wherever you decide to move to Arq, Strummers and Jennytree as well, I'm sure that you will find something to suit your tastes. I was born and raised in Calgary. Spent four years in Fredericton, New Brunswick, four years in Edmonton, Alberta and seven years on the island in Victoria, B.C. I've driven across the country three times and have been to every province except Newfoundland (unfortunately :( ). What I can tell you is this - each province has something spectacular to offer (yes, even Saskatchewan and Manitoba :D ).Most of the Maritimes are pretty laid back (almost somnolent in some places!), but Halifax was always a blessing to get too. It actually seemed to hum with energy. It's also a fantastic place to party. Quebec has amazing history and architecture, food and culture. I love visiting that province. The people that I met were amazingly kind and forgiving of my high school French. If they were Francophone, they really seemed to appreciate the fact that I tried to communicate with them in thier language. However, nine times out of ten, especially in Montreal, they would just seem to look at me and speak to me in English - it's like I was wearing an invisible sign or something :)

    Ontario was amazing in the variety of lifestyles that you chose to have depending on where you settle. Ottawa is amaing and from what I hear a great place to live.

    The Prairies (Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta) can be brutally hot in the summers and brutally cold in the winters, but each offer amazing vistas and beautiful lakes. The northern halves of these provinces are nothing like the southern halves. They are wild and beautiful. They are also very sparsely populated. Saskatchewan and Alberta are booming right now, but after being overseas for a year, I cannot believe how ridiculously expensive things have gotten in Alberta. You probably would have no trouble getting a job in Alberta, but finding a place to live is another matter - good luck finding a rental.
    British Columbia is spectacular - it's Supernatural! ;)
    When I moved to this province it felt like I had moved home! It was like a weight that I didn't know was on my shoulders just lifted. I absolutely love it here. I'm not looking forward to the day that we have to move to Ottawa (even though that too is a beautiful city), but I am happy knowing that we will be coming back to the Island.

    Good luck with wherever you end up - I'm sure that you won't be disappointed :)

    Cheers!
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  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    I have to say, I'm basically a Toronto native and have lived at most an hour from the city since I was five, but the past two years I've been in Ottawa for university and it's quickly becoming my favourite of the two.

    As for winters, I honestly don't think that they are that much worse than what I'm used to in Toronto, as last winter was disgusting for EVERYONE, and the previous winter was actually fairly mild as far as I remember anyway.

    I love Toronto for the general hustle and bustle and of course the music scene, but Ottawa can be just as exciting. It's a more welcoming atmosphere, peaceful and laid-back, and a stunning city, much more distinguished than Toronto in my opinion. The culture here is much more European I find, influenced by its close proximity to Quebec (walking distance to the border), and the Byward Market kicks all of Toronto's ass! :)

    We have some really cool little pubs (The Pour House being my favourite :)), some local bands worth seeing, and some decent bigger bands that make the rounds, although many skip us over and go to Montreal (often the case with PJ), which is still a very doable distance for a show, less than 2 hours. This year I've seen Raine Maida, Foo Fighters and Oasis and I have Uncle Neil lined up in December. Toronto is still only a 4-hour train ride away so the distance is doable if you're willing to take the train, as driving adds on at least an hour. I was at home between May and August so I got my real concert fix then, including a little trip down to Hartford :D

    If you're into history and/or politics, this is Canada's capital city (assuming that most Americans tend to think it's Toronto), so we have museums and monuments, Parliament Hill in all its beauty, the national art gallery, and a hell of a lot more. We have a very diverse community with a huge bilingual population, although you most definitely don't NEED to speak French. It's also university town (Carleton University, University of Ottawa and Algonquin College) so there's always something going on.

    It's a great city for jobs and the housing market is substantially cheaper than most of the other major cities in Canada. it's a small but busy city so it's easy enough to get from the suburbs to the downtown core in 20 minutes. Our public transportation system is incredible, fast and affordable, and a great help in winter as the transit ways are a strong priority, and in my experience it is much more reliable and simpler than the TTC in Toronto or that god-awful electric blue VIVA bus. And no, I'm not a simpleton that's only used to busing around a smaller city -- I was able to figure out the New York subway system pretty well on my own earlier this year.

    There's the Ottawa locks, which is probably my favourite part of the city, and my favourite place to write, read or bring my newest music purchase. It's a great area for biking or hiking and if you go down right to the end overlooking the Rideau Canal, it's quite the sight. I have spent countless days off by myself just drinking it all in while listening to "Into the Wild", and it was actually the very first place I listened to it.

    And speaking of the Rideau Canal, Winterlude and skating on the longest outdoor skating rink in the world is worth the cold.

    Oh and if nothing else can persuade you, there's beaver tails! :D
    ive said it before and ill say it again, :D
    i love love love love LOVE ottawa!
    its so beautiful, and so is parliament hill... and that hotel, what's it called again? like the designer or the original owner or something was on the titanic and died or something and it had a totally cool story to go with it.

    i remember walking around at night and just being competely stunned!
    i need to go back and spend more time there
    def. one of my favourite canadian cities...
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    pateljam wrote:
    Dude... so will you be able to come back to the states after you leave... just asking because of your status that is forcing you to leave... I hope that's not the case so you can see more of PJ sometime in the future....
    i was wondering this as well when we were talking about the toronto/new york and vancouver/seattle stuff...

    oh and don't forget to practice spelling stuff with a U, ;)
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • there is a good chance that canada may be graced with my presence next year, and perhaps for a while ;)
    nothing planned yet, just ideas!
    2003 - Sydney x3,
    2006 - Reading Festival,
    2007 - Katowice, London, Nijmegen, Rock Werchter,
    2008 - MSG x2, Hartford, Mansfield x2, Beacon Theater,
    2009 - Melbourne, Sydney,
    2010 - I watched it go to fire!
    2011 - EV Brisbane x3, Newcastle, Sydney x3,
    2012 - Manchester x 2, Amsterdam x2, Prague, Berlin x2, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen,
    2014 - Sydney, EV Sydney x3

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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    pateljam wrote:
    Dude... so will you be able to come back to the states after you leave... just asking because of your status that is forcing you to leave... I hope that's not the case so you can see more of PJ sometime in the future....

    thank you for your words... i really don't know, i hope so because i'm going to leave the country voluntarely... that's a question i was avoiding since i made my decision :( .
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  • MohabMohab Posts: 310
    demetrios wrote:
    Sweet man! :)

    I know a few of the big shot's too! ;) My family and relatives here are all in the constuction business for many, many year's here. Which i'm taking that route of taking over the family business someday. My cousin is moving in to the new Spice Towers that up the street of the Casino. So close to where he works. Where I live, i'm close to Burnside. Where my setting materials are all at. I'm only a few minutes away from everything where I live. It's just .. I wish the music & enterainment business here picked up. Which I love alot. Being a ceramic tile installer .. I just love art & it's work.


    Well, I moved to Nunavet if you want to talk about a lack of music, but the art is very good. And new houses get built in days they are so hard up for housing. If you ever need to expand or try somewhere else, look up Iqaluit.
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    arq wrote:
    thank you for your words... i really don't know, i hope so because i'm going to leave the country voluntarely... that's a question i was avoiding since i made my decision :( .
    it can be tough entering/re-entering the US/Canada if you arent a citizen of either country... i know it sucks to think about it, but you should really find out so you don't get stuck somewhere!
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,344
    good luck eh.
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    Mohab wrote:
    Well, I moved to Nunavet if you want to talk about a lack of music, but the art is very good. And new houses get built in days they are so hard up for housing. If you ever need to expand or try somewhere else, look up Iqaluit.

    i will. thanks! :)
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    Well i guess this is the end of this thread, i'm very happy with the results, i will post when i have all ready to move to Canada, i'm couldn't believe the amount of good vibes i recieved throught all the people who gave me a little bit of their time and said something positive and wonderful about Canada, now i know for sure the canadian people is a very proud and i will feel in Canada like in my own country (only coolder and with more PJs fans) or like in my beloved USA.

    Thanks to all and your kind words and support, see you all in Canada!
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  • demetriosdemetrios Posts: 93,704
    when you get settled in to you home in canada, let me know. pm me you addy and i'll have a sweet gift basket for ya. it'll be pearl jam related. many already know what i would be sending to you anway's. ;)
  • haffajappahaffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    demetrios wrote:
    when you get settled in to you home in canada, let me know. pm me you addy and i'll have a sweet gift basket for ya. it'll be pearl jam related. many already know what i would be sending to you anway's. ;)
    this is reminding me to check my mail!
    i havnt done it in 2 days!!
    *runs to mail box*

    ta daaa: nothing! booo.

    hahaha
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • this is reminding me to check my mail!
    i havnt done it in 2 days!!
    *runs to mail box*

    ta daaa: nothing! booo.

    hahaha

    boooo
    i am having some goodies sent via michagin mike, anlong with my Beacon shirt :)
    2003 - Sydney x3,
    2006 - Reading Festival,
    2007 - Katowice, London, Nijmegen, Rock Werchter,
    2008 - MSG x2, Hartford, Mansfield x2, Beacon Theater,
    2009 - Melbourne, Sydney,
    2010 - I watched it go to fire!
    2011 - EV Brisbane x3, Newcastle, Sydney x3,
    2012 - Manchester x 2, Amsterdam x2, Prague, Berlin x2, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen,
    2014 - Sydney, EV Sydney x3

    I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
  • my impression from my first trip there (Toronto) last week is it's very liveable - similar vibe to back home in Oz.

    considering a job offer to move to mississauga myself. What's scaring me though is Mark Seymore's 2007 ballad 'Mississauga'. Paints a very different picture.
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