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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 23,921
    So my view on Napster. 
    The reason you have Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and whatever the hell else u use to stream is because of them.  So THANK Metallica for that.

    Also remember at the time bands made a ton on music sales. 

    This was also the beginning of bands getting huge deals and most bands weren't getting anything like the deals that Madonna and U2 made.  You can also thank Napster for your high priced concert tix too.

    What I was upset with was the ability to download any song from the site.  I searched PJ and found a ton of songs I'd never heard before like Won't Back Down for example.  Also songs that were long lost by other bands and out of print.  It was GREAT to get these.

    Well, now we have Youtube and you can find almost anything and everything unless the band is a dickhead and takes it down.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,553
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
  • Thierry HenryThierry Henry Posts: 2,583
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Tonight's one should be kinda cool. Salt Lake City Jan. '97
    Greatest era.

    WHERES YOUR CROWN
    KING NOTHII-IIING

    Is it only me, or is James vocals a bit low in the mix (only heard the first two songs).
    Justice tour 
    No Until it Sleeps on that tour. 

    So, wrong.
    Zzzz... 

    No jingoist Black songs on the Justice tour
    The loss of that tour to not get to hear DO YOU LIKE HEAVY?! METALLICA GIVES YOU HEAVY BABEEEEY!!
    😆
    Dublin '96, '00, '06, '10
    Lisbon '06 (x2)
    Katowice '07
    London '07 '09 (x2), '10
    MSG NY '08 (x2)
    Manchester '09 '12
    Belfast '10
    PJ20 Alpine '11 (x2)
    Leeds '14
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,037
    Melbourne 2013 tonight.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,037
    edited June 15
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,332
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,553
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
    Yes! Exactly!
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,037
    edited June 15
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
    I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

    At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

    now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,332
    edited June 15
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
    I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

    At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

    now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 
    Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

    Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

    As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.
    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PAPosts: 33,197
    Melbourne 2013 tonight.
    gonna pass on this one as well

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,037
    edited June 15
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
    I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

    At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

    now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 
    Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

    Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

    As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.
    OH, never heard that one. 

    I just remember from the MTV days, that when the Metallica song came on feeling "Oh... this one really falls in the shadow of the Limp Bizkit song that is a huge hit". But using the MI theme will do that I guess.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,332
    mrussel1 said:
    hrd2imgn said:
    Why is everyone so mad at an artist/group being mad their music was being stolen?  So they didn't want to give away stuff they(with their label) spent millions producing/distributing makes them bad?  This wasn't like dubbing a cassette,  not even close, millions of  records not being sold, but being obtained illegally, oh sorry "shared".  Every artist should have been pissed.  Pearl Jam never gave albums away for free, they just didnt care people ripped them off and stole it.  Then everyone was like it isnt Napstets fault...they just made a platform, but gun companies just make guns they dont kill people is the same argument.

    It is against the law, they didn't like their product being stolen.  The mob loved free shit, so it was the bands as bad guys....typical bassakwards thinking.
    Metallica are dicks for a bunch of reasons.  Who is “so mad” about it.  It’s just typically Metallica who goes the extra mile to be that way.  Rolling Stones sell tickets for outrageous prices, but at least you know it’s happening.  Metallica buys up its own tickets, colluding with Live Nation to do so, after they set the prices.  Did they decide they were too cheap after announcing or did they not want to reinforce the asshole image by having high prices to start?  Who can say, only Lars and James.  Dicks.  
    I don't think it is that easy. Metallica seem to do a lot for their fans too, like now during Corona. And when they tour they tour a lot. So if you are fan, it is almost like a service of them touring close to you. I guess it's only Africa they do not tour regularly on their long ass tours

    They are not expecting every fan to fly to Berlin.

    And I don't think them going against Napster was wrong. I don't remember the details though, so maybe Lars did something shitty back then. But stopping a software solely built around sharing stolen property... what's not to try and stop.
    Lars' big misstep was getting the names of users that had downloaded Metallica (I was actually one of the ones that swiped the rough mix of "I Disappear") and making them (us) seem like enemies, when we're all just fans and it's really the people that made the software that he should've been going after. Which he did...afterward. 
    I figured it was something like this. Him going after regular folks first. 

    At the same time, from their perspective - why would a fan download stuff that has been stolen and leaked from them. Is that really a fan. Etc.

    now I'm gonna listen to that Limp Bizkit MI2 song. 
    Yeah that's fair. I think what also ruffled their feathers was I Disappear wasn't even finished yet, and the rough mix was somehow leaked and available on Napster. That sort of thing would piss off any artist.

    Side note, anyone else think the main riff from "I Disappear" sounds a lot like "Just A Girl" by PJ? That was my first thought when listening to the rough mix on Napster.

    As for you being in Mission Impossible 2 Soundtrack mode now, I love the remix of Chris Cornell's "Mission" on that soundtrack. It was remixed as "Mission 2000." I've read that Chris hated the remix, but I love it. Movie soundtracks were awesome back in the day.
    OH, never heard that one. 

    I just remember from the MTV days, that when the Metallica song came on feeling "Oh... this one really falls in the shadow of the Limp Bizkit song that is a huge hit". But using the MI theme will do that I guess.
    Check it out. It's pretty cool. I prefer it to the Euphoria Morning version. But like I said, Chris didn't....


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    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,037

    Metallica: Live in Bogotá, Colombia - May 2, 1999 (Full Concert)

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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