ya know i was gonna say something funny but i'm reminded of a cousin of mine who is no longer in the picture but was or is an addict. he's still alive last i heard. shame on all the people in the other amy thread for making fun of her and her addiction. i'm sure everyone of you has or had a family member or you yourself has gone through an addiction. i thought better and i'm proud that i did.
So true Metsy. It's easy to pass judgment when it's someone else. But what is an addiction really other than anattempt to deal with overwhelming emotions in an unhealthy way gone haywire? We all try to escape our feelings from time to time...whether it's through sleep, music, work, a drink, etc. It's just that much harder for someone who may have experienced some fucked up shit that they are trying to run away from feeling...add in a predisposition to develop an addiction...and there ya go. Yes, choice plays a role - the choice to take the first hit, to not seek help, etc. But her life was painful to watch. I can't imagine what it must have been to live it. She looked decades beyond 27. I'm not gonna judge her. Loved her voice, loved her style. I think it's sad.
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ya know i was gonna say something funny but i'm reminded of a cousin of mine who is no longer in the picture but was or is an addict. he's still alive last i heard. shame on all the people in the other amy thread for making fun of her and her addiction. i'm sure everyone of you has or had a family member or you yourself has gone through an addiction. i thought better and i'm proud that i did.
So true Metsy. It's easy to pass judgment when it's someone else. But what is an addiction really other than anattempt to deal with overwhelming emotions in an unhealthy way gone haywire? We all try to escape our feelings from time to time...whether it's through sleep, music, work, a drink, etc. It's just that much harder for someone who may have experienced some fucked up shit that they are trying to run away from feeling...add in a predisposition to develop an addiction...and there ya go. Yes, choice plays a role - the choice to take the first hit, to not seek help, etc. But her life was painful to watch. I can't imagine what it must have been to live it. She looked decades beyond 27. I'm not gonna judge her. Loved her voice, loved her style. I think it's sad.
well said cbg
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ya know i was gonna say something funny but i'm reminded of a cousin of mine who is no longer in the picture but was or is an addict. he's still alive last i heard. shame on all the people in the other amy thread for making fun of her and her addiction. i'm sure everyone of you has or had a family member or you yourself has gone through an addiction. i thought better and i'm proud that i did.
So true Metsy. It's easy to pass judgment when it's someone else. But what is an addiction really other than anattempt to deal with overwhelming emotions in an unhealthy way gone haywire? We all try to escape our feelings from time to time...whether it's through sleep, music, work, a drink, etc. It's just that much harder for someone who may have experienced some fucked up shit that they are trying to run away from feeling...add in a predisposition to develop an addiction...and there ya go. Yes, choice plays a role - the choice to take the first hit, to not seek help, etc. But her life was painful to watch. I can't imagine what it must have been to live it. She looked decades beyond 27. I'm not gonna judge her. Loved her voice, loved her style. I think it's sad.
Exactly.
So sad, whichever way you look at it... But especially because I consider it a tragically epic waste of talent - even though I never really listened to her music I did like the stuff I heard, and there's something to be said for artists (especially female) who are in the industry based on talent and not just their bodies and how well an audio machine can tune their "singing".
ya know i was gonna say something funny but i'm reminded of a cousin of mine who is no longer in the picture but was or is an addict. he's still alive last i heard. shame on all the people in the other amy thread for making fun of her and her addiction. i'm sure everyone of you has or had a family member or you yourself has gone through an addiction. i thought better and i'm proud that i did.
So true Metsy. It's easy to pass judgment when it's someone else. But what is an addiction really other than anattempt to deal with overwhelming emotions in an unhealthy way gone haywire? We all try to escape our feelings from time to time...whether it's through sleep, music, work, a drink, etc. It's just that much harder for someone who may have experienced some fucked up shit that they are trying to run away from feeling...add in a predisposition to develop an addiction...and there ya go. Yes, choice plays a role - the choice to take the first hit, to not seek help, etc. But her life was painful to watch. I can't imagine what it must have been to live it. She looked decades beyond 27. I'm not gonna judge her. Loved her voice, loved her style. I think it's sad.
well said cbg
well said both you.
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Brian Jones (Rolling Stones)
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Pete Ham (Badfinger)
Chris Bell (Big Star)
D. Boon (Minutemen)
Pete de Freitas (Echo & The Bunnymen)
Mia Zapata (The Gits)
Kurt Cobain (Nirvana)
Kristen Pfaff (Hole)
Richey Edwards (Manic Street Preachers - 27 when he disappeared)
I guess the saddest thing about Amy joining it is its inevitability...
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I've never heard any of her songs either and I guess she was maybe more popular in the U.K. but I seem to feel she was more of a "celebrity" than a really great artist.
However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
I've never heard any of her songs either and I guess she was maybe more popular in the U.K. but I seem to feel she was more of a "celebrity" than a really great artist..
However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
Yeah I'm sure it's as simple as that......that old saying about not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind.
as one in recovery, its sad that she wouldnt take the help that works.
Perhaps for some the fame and everything that goes with it are too much.
I know for myself and from others I've heard, until a person is ready to do something different,until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, absolutely NOTHING can be done for those like me.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
Yeah I'm sure it's as simple as that......that old saying about not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind.
Unfortunately, it IS that simple. I know people who are struggling with addiction and you can talk to them and do your best to convince them they need help and do interventions, and force them into rehab, but until they are ready to change, it's not going to happen.
Been playing a bunch of Amy this afternoon. Her songs were very very cool.
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What a shame. So sad, that girl had such a great voice. :(
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However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
Yeah I'm sure it's as simple as that......that old saying about not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind.
Unfortunately, it IS that simple. I know people who are struggling with addiction and you can talk to them and do your best to convince them they need help and do interventions, and force them into rehab, but until they are ready to change, it's not going to happen.
It's important to remember that wanting to change and being ready to change are not the same thing. Facing your demons is some very scary shit. People have to have the tools, the support, the courage and the hope to do it. I've got nothing but admiration for anyone who's ever even thought about attempting to do so...whether they've succeeded or not.
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I saw this quote years ago, and actually wrote it down and have kept it ever since. At the time it made me think of someone I loved and their troubles. I can't get it out of my head now, I think it's appropos here as well.
Sadly, sadly, the sun rose; it rose upon no sadder sight than the man of good abilities and good emotions, incapable of their directed exercise, incapable of his own help and his own happiness, sensible of the blight on him, and resigning himself to let it eat him away.
However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
Yeah I'm sure it's as simple as that......that old saying about not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind.
Unfortunately, it IS that simple. I know people who are struggling with addiction and you can talk to them and do your best to convince them they need help and do interventions, and force them into rehab, but until they are ready to change, it's not going to happen.
It's that simple in theory, but drug addiction and rational thought don't really go hand in hand. The fact she was in and out of rehab (including a few weeks ago) shows that at times she did want help, but obviously she was overwhelmed by her addiction.
I'm not familiar with Amy's music. I've only heard about her through all the media jokes. Cruel, how a lot of people kicked her while she was down. So sad, she was in such a fragile and troubled state,
and her family or friends couldn't save her. Perhaps she never should have been left alone. May she finally find peace.
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You're right. You are a monster! You are sick! Get help!
So sad, she was in such a fragile and troubled state,
and her family or friends couldn't save her. Perhaps she never should have been left alone. May she finally find peace.
the only person that could save her was herself and she didn't want the help and thusly she killed herself
an addict will never realize that till they hit rock bottom
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Exactly.
So sad, whichever way you look at it... But especially because I consider it a tragically epic waste of talent - even though I never really listened to her music I did like the stuff I heard, and there's something to be said for artists (especially female) who are in the industry based on talent and not just their bodies and how well an audio machine can tune their "singing".
Not surprising, but all the same tragic.
RIP, Amy
well said both you.
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Robert Johnson
Brian Jones (Rolling Stones)
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison (The Doors)
Ron McKernan (Grateful Dead)
Dave Alexander (The Stooges)
Pete Ham (Badfinger)
Chris Bell (Big Star)
D. Boon (Minutemen)
Pete de Freitas (Echo & The Bunnymen)
Mia Zapata (The Gits)
Kurt Cobain (Nirvana)
Kristen Pfaff (Hole)
Richey Edwards (Manic Street Preachers - 27 when he disappeared)
I guess the saddest thing about Amy joining it is its inevitability...
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)
However, it's sad when someone dies but obviously she didn't want help. She had all the resources at her disposal and was in and out of rehab but it never stuck because she just didn't want it.
With a voice like this she was more than just a celebrity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ludxpkyr ... re=related
Yeah I'm sure it's as simple as that......that old saying about not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes comes to mind.
Such a tragic loss of talent. RIP Amy :(
Perhaps for some the fame and everything that goes with it are too much.
I know for myself and from others I've heard, until a person is ready to do something different,until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, absolutely NOTHING can be done for those like me.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/ju ... osing-game
Unfortunately, it IS that simple. I know people who are struggling with addiction and you can talk to them and do your best to convince them they need help and do interventions, and force them into rehab, but until they are ready to change, it's not going to happen.
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Have you been working on that all weekend?
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Sadly, sadly, the sun rose; it rose upon no sadder sight than the man of good abilities and good emotions, incapable of their directed exercise, incapable of his own help and his own happiness, sensible of the blight on him, and resigning himself to let it eat him away.
RIP
It's that simple in theory, but drug addiction and rational thought don't really go hand in hand. The fact she was in and out of rehab (including a few weeks ago) shows that at times she did want help, but obviously she was overwhelmed by her addiction.
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and her family or friends couldn't save her. Perhaps she never should have been left alone. May she finally find peace.
You're right. You are a monster! You are sick! Get help!
At least, I am not a fuck-up! A lying fuck-up!
Nah it just popped into my head there and then.
an addict will never realize that till they hit rock bottom
Sammi: Wanna just break up?