Gaza Freedom Flotilla

usamamasan1

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Tldr

Winners win
They prolly sabotaged their own boat so the moving train could whine about it.

To "bring attention to the humanitarian crisis". :?

Dumbasses "the audacity of"

"tldr" = "too long didn't read"....we all know that you have posted that exact post on the moving train at least 30 times.....

i did not post my posts for you, as i knew you in your ignorance would not read it. why post in a thread and show your immaturity and bump the thread to the top of the forum when you do not read the presented material??? this is not a kindergarden. this is a serious discussion.

seriously, you are a troll, and you are a major part of the problem.

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Tldr

Winners win
They prolly sabotaged their own boat so the moving train could whine about it.

To "bring attention to the humanitarian crisis". :?

Dumbasses "the audacity of"

"tldr" = "too long didn't read"....we all know that you have posted that exact post on the moving train at least 30 times.....

i did not post my posts for you, as i knew you in your ignorance would not read it. why post in a thread and show your immaturity and bump the thread to the top of the forum when you do not read the presented material??? this is not a kindergarden. this is a serious discussion.

seriously, you are a troll, and you are a major part of the problem.

why did you quote me and say nothing?

gimmesometruth27

really? would any other ship have to undergo such scrutiny and delay tactics? by the greek government not allowing them to sail, wouldn't that make them prisoners? actually no, because they have not been charged with anything. how can a government not allow people to leave it's shores???
more red tape and delays and hoops to jump through....


Endless delays and fading hope while waiting to sail to Gaza

Activists scramble to meet Greek authorities' criteria to set sail toward Gaza despite meticulous planning.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... a-1.370940

Agios Nikolaos, Crete - Friday, 4:45 P.M.: J., a red-bearded Jewish-Canadian youth hears enviously from his friend J., a black-bearded Jewish-American youth, that the American ship to Gaza, the Audacity of Hope, sailed out of the Athens port at 4:30 P.M. without waiting for the permission of the Greek port authorities.

Two days earlier, it seemed certain the Canadian Tahrir would sail first, and it was the American J. who was envying his Crete comrades. Through the week, every new demand posed by the Greek port authority to the Canadian ship was meticulously followed. A signature, a document, another signature. An activist flew to Athens and back just to work out a single document. The Canadians turned out to be relentless virtuosi in dealing with the Greek bureaucracy. They didn't give up and they didn't betray a single sign of irritation, despite knowing that behind the exhausting and unusual pedantry of the authorities was a political decision to stop the ships.

On Thursday night it was understood that after the next meeting, scheduled for 10 A.M. Friday, at which point the steering committee will have submitted the final paper to the Greek authorities, the Tahrir will be free to sail. But on Friday morning, steering committee member and linguistics lecturer David Heap said he regrets to say there was nothing new. Go, swim and come back at 11:30, he suggested. Everyone came back at 11:30, only to hear there was nothing new, and to come back at 3:30. At 3:30 there was still nothing new, please return at 5. At ten minutes past five, at the fourth update meeting on the same day, Canadian J. burst into the meeting panting and announced that the American boat had sailed. The steering committee was not present.

At 5:35, Canadian J. - hooked to mobile phone and twitter with the American J. - announced the Greek coast guard is blocking the American ship and there are shouts being exchanged across the decks. At 5:40, an urgent call came in from the steering committee: Everyone get to the marina fast, journalists included. All rushed to the marina, by car or on foot, and there the picture finally became clear.

Since the morning, Heap told them, the authorities started making new demands. First, they were told to replace the boat's radio. One of the French Canadians rushed off and got one. Then it was: You don't have beds on the boats. "Yes we do," the Tahririan sailors said, pointing at some padded benches. The minimum demand is 10, they were told, and you've only got seven, and even these are too narrow. "We can find the legal minimum of bed width if we look." Then, another demand: a water heater on the boat.

The steering committee spent the day negotiating with the inspectors. Then, at 5 P.M., as they were holding a consultation on deck, a coast guard officer appeared in white uniform, accompanied by police, and asked to see their licenses. He then announced he was going back to the office with the documents - in other words, he's confiscating them.

The committee members, led by Sandra Ruch - the Jewish American registered owner of the boat, who has been in Crete organizing the flotilla since March - demanded to get the documents back, with Ruch offering to give the officer copies, rather than the originals. The handful of activists on the deck tried to prevent the officer from going back to shore.

Meanwhile the reinforcements from the hotel rolled in. While in Athens the coast guard was blocking the American ship, in Crete the activists were blocking the coast guard officer. But not for long. When the Citizen Protection Minister announced the government ban on all ships departing for Gaza, the transparent delay tactics became redundant. The officer left without the documents, while Heap told the journalists they could now state the boat is docked at the Crete port city of Agios Nikolaos, named after the sea-farers patron saint.

dimitrispearljam

its a big joke....the port authorities stop the ship cos didnt have all papers for sailing..
yeah right..now they remember to check this specific ship and the same time they dont give a shit about the thousand of people comes to Greece via ships from Turkey without any paper..all assholes rent ships and boats and dont have any insourance...they never check anthing..and now they do their job..
this Goverment is the worst in our History..is the one make Greeks dont feel proud to be Greeks..

but you know what?i saw a Canadian lady interview ,one of people on the ship..she said
"no matter what they do..we will go..nothing will stop us"
when someone want something so bad,he will do it..
and i really hope.this time Israelians(,cos they will stop the ships again..and tell you the truth from the moment they think they need to protect their country they do the right thing,to stop those ships)wrong or right is another conversation..,so i really hope the order will be not shoot and kill,but arrest them..so all will end in peace..no people need to die

gimmesometruth27

dimitrispearljam wrote:

its a big joke....the port authorities stop the ship cos didnt have all papers for sailing..
yeah right..now they remember to check this specific ship and the same time they dont give a shit about the thousand of people comes to Greece via ships from Turkey without any paper..all assholes rent ships and boats and dont have any insourance...they never check anthing..and now they do their job..
this Goverment is the worst in our History..is the one make Greeks dont feel proud to be Greeks..

but you know what?i saw a Canadian lady interview ,one of people on the ship..she said
"no matter what they do..we will go..nothing will stop us"
when someone want something so bad,he will do it..
and i really hope.this time Israelians(,cos they will stop the ships again..and tell you the truth from the moment they think they need to protect their country they do the right thing,to stop those ships)wrong or right is another conversation..,so i really hope the order will be not shoot and kill,but arrest them..so all will end in peace..no people need to die

i agree D. and to echo what you said, if people want to do something they will find a way to do it. when people will give their lives for a cause that they believe in, it makes it very hard to discourage them from acting. what is the old saying? it is hard to work with someone who has nothing to lose or something along those lines..

i think the greek governent is not allowing them to sail because financial aid from israel will be cut off if they sail. israel and those that may bail out greece has the greek government by the balls...

on bended knee is no way to be free...

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think the greek governent is not allowing them to sail because financial aid from israel will be cut off if they sail. israel and those that may bail out greece has the greek government by the balls...

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we say Yes Sir to all now..Israel is nothing infront of what the rest countries treat us....
we will be allies with the devil to save our asses..the funny is we cant be saved....all know it..they dont say it yet..first we sale all our power sources,all,our islands..and then..goodnight Greece...

gimmesometruth27

dimitrispearljam wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think the greek governent is not allowing them to sail because financial aid from israel will be cut off if they sail. israel and those that may bail out greece has the greek government by the balls...

...

we say Yes Sir to all now..Israel is nothing infront of what the rest countries treat us....
we will be allies with the devil to save our asses..the funny is we cant be saved....all know it..they dont say it yet..first we sale all our power sources,all,our islands..and then..goodnight Greece...

that is awful man. being in debt is about the worst position to be in. those that you owe money to have all of the power over you.

dimitrispearljam

they just announced in tv..Greek Goverment said they dont allowed the ship to sail
they said the put an offer in table,that they will transfer all the help to palestine that those ships carry..
and both Palestine and Israel agrees... they cut people salary for save money and will pay for transfer of an American ship load to Palestine...the biggest joke ever..

gimmesometruth27

dimitrispearljam wrote:

they just announced in tv..Greek Goverment said they dont allowed the ship to sail
they said the put an offer in table,that they will transfer all the help to palestine that those ships carry..
and both Palestine and Israel agrees... they cut people salary for save money and will pay for transfer of an American ship load to Palestine...the biggest joke ever..

yep. this is all political grandstanding on the part of greece. it is clear as day that everyone has to appease israel, and i am tried of it. nothing is ever going to change. i hope those on the boat tell the greek government to take the offer (that we all know they don't even have) and shove it.

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

they just announced in tv..Greek Goverment said they dont allowed the ship to sail
they said the put an offer in table,that they will transfer all the help to palestine that those ships carry..
and both Palestine and Israel agrees... they cut people salary for save money and will pay for transfer of an American ship load to Palestine...the biggest joke ever..

yep. this is all political grandstanding on the part of greece. it is clear as day that everyone has to appease israel, and i am tried of it. nothing is ever going to change. i hope those on the boat tell the greek government to take the offer (that we all know they don't even have) and shove it.

and all this they say it in the name of Democracy ..really,i could be angry,but im not..i just laugh and turn off the tv ..is my reaction,cos the Goverment fuck me,atleast i dont stay to watch..
i met alot of Israelians the last 2 weeks.cos of work .lovely people,and i have 2 very best friends from there.,i have 3-4 friends form Palaistine..lovely people too..
but their Goverments..pff..no word to describe..

gimmesometruth27

i agree d. i know people with roots in israel and have met a few from palestine. it is not the people that is the problem. the people want peace. it is those governing the people that are the problem. i am sure that if you lock those in the region in a room they can come out with a deal. but when you get outside influences like the us government sticking their nose in there, that is where things break down. i am tired of my government fucking things up for people in the rest of the world.

democracy?

yeah right....

fuck

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i agree d. i know people with roots in israel and have met a few from palestine. it is not the people that is the problem. the people want peace. it is those governing the people that are the problem. i am sure that if you lock those in the region in a room they can come out with a deal. but when you get outside influences like the us government sticking their nose in there, that is where things break down. i am tired of my government fucking things up for people in the rest of the world.

democracy?

yeah right....

you have no clue what you're talking about. the problem isn't just israeli government, it is israeli society, and the evidence is all the polls that are always conducted. when the majority of israelis vote in favor of discriminatory policies toward Palestinians, in favor of ethnic cleansing type policies such as population transfer, and are completely racist toward palestinians, this is not a coincidence. the problem in this conflict is not governments, it is the Zionist ideology. this is an ideological battle against a racist colonial ideology that needs to be completely rejected. unfortunately, the majority of israelis subscribe to this ideology, due to many reasons including an education system that brainwashes these kids.

a categorical rejection of the zionist ideology is what is needed to solve this conflict.

Byrnzie

fuck wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i agree d. i know people with roots in israel and have met a few from palestine. it is not the people that is the problem. the people want peace. it is those governing the people that are the problem. i am sure that if you lock those in the region in a room they can come out with a deal. but when you get outside influences like the us government sticking their nose in there, that is where things break down. i am tired of my government fucking things up for people in the rest of the world.

democracy?

yeah right....

you have no clue what you're talking about. the problem isn't just israeli government, it is israeli society, and the evidence is all the polls that are always conducted. when the majority of israelis vote in favor of discriminatory policies toward Palestinians, in favor of ethnic cleansing type policies such as population transfer, and are completely racist toward palestinians, this is not a coincidence. the problem in this conflict is not governments, it is the Zionist ideology. this is an ideological battle against a racist colonial ideology that needs to be completely rejected. unfortunately, the majority of israelis subscribe to this ideology, due to many reasons including an education system that brainwashes these kids.

a categorical rejection of the zionist ideology is what is needed to solve this conflict.

Gimme does know what he's talking about. Though it seems that the majority of Israeli's support the occupation, not every Israeli supports it, and/or the crimes of their government. I.e, who do you think B'Tselem are? Who is Jeff Halper? Who are Uri Avnery, Amos Oz, and Ilan Pappé?
The list goes on and on.

usamamasan1

I say, don't fuck with Israel unless you want to get manhandled

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

I say, don't fuck with Israel....

And, get a room

Do you support the occupation and continued Jewish-only settlement building?

usamamasan1

Huh

Byrnzie

usamamasan1 wrote:

Huh

I asked, do you support the occupation and continued Jewish-only settlement building?

fuck

Byrnzie wrote:

fuck wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i agree d. i know people with roots in israel and have met a few from palestine. it is not the people that is the problem. the people want peace. it is those governing the people that are the problem. i am sure that if you lock those in the region in a room they can come out with a deal. but when you get outside influences like the us government sticking their nose in there, that is where things break down. i am tired of my government fucking things up for people in the rest of the world.

democracy?

yeah right....

you have no clue what you're talking about. the problem isn't just israeli government, it is israeli society, and the evidence is all the polls that are always conducted. when the majority of israelis vote in favor of discriminatory policies toward Palestinians, in favor of ethnic cleansing type policies such as population transfer, and are completely racist toward palestinians, this is not a coincidence. the problem in this conflict is not governments, it is the Zionist ideology. this is an ideological battle against a racist colonial ideology that needs to be completely rejected. unfortunately, the majority of israelis subscribe to this ideology, due to many reasons including an education system that brainwashes these kids.

a categorical rejection of the zionist ideology is what is needed to solve this conflict.

Gimme does know what he's talking about. Though it seems that the majority of Israeli's support the occupation, not every Israeli supports it, and/or the crimes of their government. I.e, who do you think B'Tselem are? Who is Jeff Halper? Who are Uri Avnery, Amos Oz, and Ilan Pappé?
The list goes on and on.

I never said that every Israeli supports it. What I said was that there is a problem with Israeli society in that the majority of it is racist toward Palestinians. You may bring up some Israelis who are uniquely past this idea of racism (though I would argue that Amos Oz is still a racist Zionist), but it doesn't change the fact that there is a problem with israeli society itself. a problem that runs as deep as the problem with the israeli government, and that's because it's not the core of the issue. the core of the issue, which causes these problems, is the zionist ideology that the jewish state runs on

gimmesometruth27

fuck wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i agree d. i know people with roots in israel and have met a few from palestine. it is not the people that is the problem. the people want peace. it is those governing the people that are the problem. i am sure that if you lock those in the region in a room they can come out with a deal. but when you get outside influences like the us government sticking their nose in there, that is where things break down. i am tired of my government fucking things up for people in the rest of the world.

democracy?

yeah right....

you have no clue what you're talking about. the problem isn't just israeli government, it is israeli society, and the evidence is all the polls that are always conducted. when the majority of israelis vote in favor of discriminatory policies toward Palestinians, in favor of ethnic cleansing type policies such as population transfer, and are completely racist toward palestinians, this is not a coincidence. the problem in this conflict is not governments, it is the Zionist ideology. this is an ideological battle against a racist colonial ideology that needs to be completely rejected. unfortunately, the majority of israelis subscribe to this ideology, due to many reasons including an education system that brainwashes these kids.

a categorical rejection of the zionist ideology is what is needed to solve this conflict.

i am going on the official policy that the government of israel has seemingly implemented. am i palestinian? no. am i israeli? no. have i been to gaza? no. i go by what i have read in the world media, not just the american media, because nothing is ever covered in the american media. i base my position on the positions of people that i have met who are close to the situation. some of those are directly affected by it. i also base my position on the materials provided to me from people who used to post here that know more about the situation on the ground than i do. i am not going to condemn all israelis because there are plenty who have stood up against the occupation and the blockade.

you seem to be posting an indictment of all jews, or all israeli citizens. sure, zionism is something that has seemed to be the offical policy in israel. just as imperialism seems to be the motivation of the united states. sure, leadership has chosen the policy that has been implemented, but that does not mean that all americans agree with or approve of our foreign policy, just as all israelis do not fail to see the insanity of the actions of the zionists.

i do not agree with zionist idealogy for several reasons, and i agree that that idealogy has created much more harm than good. you have been around long enough, through several screen name changes, to know that i am on your side in this conflict. but i am a realist in this situation. i do not forsee the complete rejection of zionist philosophy in israel, especially within one or two generations, just as i do not forsee the rejection of racist beliefs that seem to be indoctrinated in our southeastern states. that has been ingrained into society there for centuries. with the hardliners seemingly in control you can bet your life on the fact that the israeli government is looking out for one thing, the interests of israel. the land it has aquired is not going to be given back without a war. and how do you propose they go about rejecting the zionist idealogy? you and i know that it is fucked up, but it takes more than simply acknowledging that. it takes a concerted effort by those that do not hold the power to cause real change. unfortunately any sort of rebellion would result in the united states acting on behalf of israel. most people on either side do not want war. they want a peaceful resolution to this conflict. as long as those outside of the situation hold sway over those directly in that situation nothing is ever going to be resolved.

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

I say, don't fuck with Israel unless you want to get manhandled

what do you mean get a room?

why not go back under your bridge, troll...