Fiscal Cons, still think the death penalty is worth it??

know1

I am VERY fiscally conservative, and VERY much against the death penalty in all cases, but I don't really see the connection.

Go Beavers

know1 wrote:

I am VERY fiscally conservative, and VERY much against the death penalty in all cases, but I don't really see the connection.

For me the connection is that conservatives often speak of being fiscally responsible and making "common sense" decisions. Supporting the death penalty exposes the hypocrisy, with it being more expensive and because it doesn't reduce crime, and shows that supporting it is really about vengeance.

Jason P

Go Beavers wrote:

know1 wrote:

I am VERY fiscally conservative, and VERY much against the death penalty in all cases, but I don't really see the connection.

For me the connection is that conservatives often speak of being fiscally responsible and making "common sense" decisions. Supporting the death penalty exposes the hypocrisy, with it being more expensive and because it doesn't reduce crime, and shows that supporting it is really about vengeance.

I noted this earlier, but the root cause of the fiscal issue is the inefficiency of the California court system. Fix that, and billions, instead of millions, will be saved. Money wasted on the appeals of death penalty is just one tiny facet of money being lost in an inefficient system.

gimmesometruth27

Go Beavers wrote:

know1 wrote:

I am VERY fiscally conservative, and VERY much against the death penalty in all cases, but I don't really see the connection.

For me the connection is that conservatives often speak of being fiscally responsible and making "common sense" decisions. Supporting the death penalty exposes the hypocrisy, with it being more expensive and because it doesn't reduce crime, and shows that supporting it is really about vengeance.

that was the point i was trying to make in connecting the two.

mikepegg44

Go Beavers wrote:

know1 wrote:

I am VERY fiscally conservative, and VERY much against the death penalty in all cases, but I don't really see the connection.

For me the connection is that conservatives often speak of being fiscally responsible and making "common sense" decisions. Supporting the death penalty exposes the hypocrisy, with it being more expensive and because it doesn't reduce crime, and shows that supporting it is really about vengeance.

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_18293309

capital punishment costs aren't even close to the costs of the drug war in california.

Get those cases out of the legal system you automatically reduce the cost of housing capital punishment inmates because appeals would get expedited. years would be taken off and cases would be heard.

as far as the deterrent argument finding its way in, doesn't seem like life in prison is a deterrent either, so we should probably just release them into the general public after a time out. Prison is PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME, it isn't anything but that, it is society's revenge on the people committing crimes...how severe the punishment depends on how severe the crime is. That seems like a prime example of common sense. I realize the arguments against the death penalty are plenty and are persuasive, I for one find it disturbing that and innocent man could die. But a fiscal argument against the death penalty isn't the first thing we should be talking about as far as justice system reform...it seems like that point that myself and jason keep making is falling on deaf ears as I don't see it being addressed at all. So yes, reform should be on the agenda, but instead of doing away with a punishment for a serious crime, why not look for what makes an immediate cost savings impact, as well as make an impact on the cost of housing death penalty inmates...I realize everyone on here wants to consistently call out what they see as hypocrisy, just don't think this fits.