Maybe the system isn't 100% fair, but i tell ya what, i would love to have had my education paid for.
What about those fringe sports, where athetes get a paid tution and don't generate any revenue for the school. Are they not just a drain on joe tax payer?
do you know how many scholarships go to those fringe sports? Most baseball teams split like 3-4, swimming and diving has 1, etc. Many of those kids are playing on their own dime, and not really costing the University that much. Look at how successful Athletic Departments and University budgets have been at every school that has dropped football (Mansfield and Boston to name two).
ok so Mansfield and Boston's budgets may be more successful but they provide way less opportunities. Granted I looked this up quickly but Ohio State offers 18 Mens and 19 Women's sports while Mansfield offers 5 Mens and 7 women's sports. now granted of the university plays a part as well but is the extra money and headaches generated by the BCS worth more opportunities for more students? and sure as heck more women's sports? without football and basketball revenue no chance Ohio State would offer anywhere near the number of women's sports they do.
if only somewhere between 5-70 schools make money on football and/or basketball how can they "provide" for other sports? additionally there is a woman's sport that would be a huge revenue producer and is cheaper than football - competitive cheer. That's how UMD pays for their women's sports, and why Debbie Yow was a pretty badass AD.
This was actually written by two authors funded by a right-wing think tank (American Enterprise Institute). What is happening in this world?
that article said nothing new. should i get upset because i work 50 hours a week and make less than my boss does? a $100,000 education vs. $3.5 million annually is still a much better percentage than what the workers in a large corporation make vs. the chief executives of a company. besides the guys writing that article will the 1st jackasses lining up complaining when we pay Terrelle Pryor to play football but his little Amanda doesn't get shit for playing field hockey. because of Title IX, gender equity and biases there no way to pay just football or basketball players and no way budgets can handle paying all athletes in a school. dumb article and dumb argument.
if only somewhere between 5-70 schools make money on football and/or basketball how can they "provide" for other sports? additionally there is a woman's sport that would be a huge revenue producer and is cheaper than football - competitive cheer. That's how UMD pays for their women's sports, and why Debbie Yow was a pretty badass AD.
competive cheer is not a sport it's an event. you can't be a sport if winners are determined by 'judges' - at least in my opinion.
Ohio State vacates wins from 2010 football season, places program on probation
Friday, July 8, 2011 12:20 PM
Updated: Friday, July 8, 2011 12:52 PM
By Randy Ludlow
An "embarrassed" Ohio State University is wiping its stellar 2010 football season from the record books as self-imposed punishment for major NCAA violations.
But it is not suggesting that the team lose scholarships or be banned from postseason play.
In a response submitted today to the NCAA, Ohio State admits allegations that then-coach Jim Tressel lied and allowed ineligible players to compete by failing to report that they had sold OSU-issued memorabilia to a tattoo-parlor owner.
Ohio State concedes major violations of NCAA regulations but says it should not face harsher punishment, because no OSU official other than Tressel was aware of player violations, according to the response that was obtained by The Dispatch.
"The responsibility is upon Tressel. No other institutional personnel were aware" of the violations, and the former coach failed in his obligation to report them, the response says. "The institution is embarrassed by the actions of Tressel."
The university concedes it is a "repeat violator" of NCAA regulations but contends that its "corrective and punitive actions are appropriate" and asks that the football program be spared additional punishment.
OSU also reported that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30. Until athletic director Gene Smith acknowledged that fact yesterday, Ohio State officials had repeatedly said that Tressel was not forced out.
In addition to vacating the wins from its 12-1 season along with its Big Ten and Sugar Bowl championships, the university has placed its football program on probation for two years effective today, Ohio State reported to the NCAA.
Today's report also reveals that the university has identified one additional football player who received discounts on tattoos and has declared him ineligible. The university has requested that the NCAA reinstate the unnamed player.
The Dispatch reported today that Ohio State is increasing compliance efforts and staffing. The report to the NCAA includes new restrictions on how and when players receive awards, in an attempt to ensure they do not sell them.
Players must prove they still have their championship rings and watches and will not receive other items, such as gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn helmets, until they leave the program.
The university also says that at least one compliance officer will travel with the football and basketball teams to away games to monitor players.
In Tressel's response, OSU officials wrote: "Coach Tressel has explained his thinking at the time, but offers no excuses for his faulty judgment ... (he) has paid a terrible price for his mistake, losing his job at one of the premier programs in the country."
In a Feb. 18 interview with OSU officials, Tressel said that he understood that, by allowing ineligible players to compete, Ohio State was "going to get as our works deserve" and that "we were going to pay the fiddler."
The university argues that Tressel's "integrity and proven history of promoting rules compliance," combined with his team's improving academic performance and other factors, should mitigate the severity of any NCAA sanctions. It also notes that he and his wife have donated $3 million since 2001, primarily to Ohio State.
The fallout from the scandal has included the resignation of Tressel, the partial-season suspension of six players, and quarterback Terrelle Pryor's decision to skip his senior season and turn pro.
Ohio State reported to the NCAA that is continuing to investigate other allegations of player misconduct that have swirled around the football team and will self-report any discovered violations. Pryor, who has denied wrongdoing, was being investigated for his use of several cars during his three years on campus.
The NCAA could take away scholarships and impose a post-season ban on the football program as additional punishment for its violations following a hearing before the infractions committee on Aug. 12 in Indianapolis.
Ohio State also could face additional punishment if the NCAA considers it a repeat offender stemming from violations in a 2006 case by then-basketball coach Jim O'Brien for which the NCAA put the university on probation for five years.
The downfall of Tressel and Ohio State began on April 2, 2010, when former OSU walk-on linebacker Christopher Cicero, who is now a Columbus lawyer, sent the coach an email informing him that at least two players had sold memorabilia to tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife.
Rife had considered hiring Cicero as his lawyer, but ultimately did not retain him. Cicero now faces professional punishment for improperly revealing Rife's confidences to Tressel.
"Tressel reported that when he read information in the email about drug trafficking, homicide and possession of criminal tools, he said 'it was a bad situation that scared him,'" the response says.
Rife, who has pleaded guilty to marijuana trafficking in federal court, paid the players with $9,480 in cash and $555 in free and discounted tattoos for items that included gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn gear.
In addition to five-game suspensions for the coming season for all but one of the implicated players, they are paying the university the money they received from the memorabilia sales, in monthly installments through November.
The report states that players began associating with Rife and his Fine Line Ink tattoo parlor after a "chance meeting" between him and a couple of players at a Columbus-area nightclub in early 2008.
The first memorabilia dealings with Rife occurred in 2009, but Ohio State should not vacate wins from that season because no one, including Tressel, was aware of those transactions, the university says.
The section of Ohio State's response detailing player accounts of their dealings with Rife was heavily redacted. Most said they sold the items due to personal and family financial hardships.
Tressel did not inform the compliance office or OSU officials that his players had committed apparent violations of NCAA regulations, and he signed an NCAA form certifying that he had no knowledge of violations.
He did not directly confront the players about selling memorabilia, but "told them to make proper choices and be careful with whom they associate," according to the response.
The former coach said he did not disclose the violations because he considered potential criminal activity and interference in an active federal investigation a higher priority.
The Dispatch reported previously that, although he did not notify OSU officials of the player misconduct, he shared the information Cicero provided with Jeannette, Pa., businessman Ted Sarniak, a mentor to Pryor. Ohio State's response to the NCAA concerning contact with Sarniak is heavily redacted and sheds no light on what Tressel and Sarniak discussed.
OSU officials learned of the violations in December when federal officials told them that investigators had found player memorabilia when they searched Rife's home during a drug investigation. Federal officials have said there is no evidence Ohio State players were involved in drug transactions.
i don't care what anybody says....OSU still beat MI last year. that's all that matters
btw, anybody catch pawn stars the other night? guy came in with a pair of golden pants...you know the ones...buckeye players get a pair when they beat michigan. i think the show bought them for 1K each.
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ok so Mansfield and Boston's budgets may be more successful but they provide way less opportunities. Granted I looked this up quickly but Ohio State offers 18 Mens and 19 Women's sports while Mansfield offers 5 Mens and 7 women's sports. now granted of the university plays a part as well but is the extra money and headaches generated by the BCS worth more opportunities for more students? and sure as heck more women's sports? without football and basketball revenue no chance Ohio State would offer anywhere near the number of women's sports they do.
that article said nothing new. should i get upset because i work 50 hours a week and make less than my boss does? a $100,000 education vs. $3.5 million annually is still a much better percentage than what the workers in a large corporation make vs. the chief executives of a company. besides the guys writing that article will the 1st jackasses lining up complaining when we pay Terrelle Pryor to play football but his little Amanda doesn't get shit for playing field hockey. because of Title IX, gender equity and biases there no way to pay just football or basketball players and no way budgets can handle paying all athletes in a school. dumb article and dumb argument.
competive cheer is not a sport it's an event. you can't be a sport if winners are determined by 'judges' - at least in my opinion.
Friday, July 8, 2011 12:20 PM
Updated: Friday, July 8, 2011 12:52 PM
By Randy Ludlow
An "embarrassed" Ohio State University is wiping its stellar 2010 football season from the record books as self-imposed punishment for major NCAA violations.
But it is not suggesting that the team lose scholarships or be banned from postseason play.
In a response submitted today to the NCAA, Ohio State admits allegations that then-coach Jim Tressel lied and allowed ineligible players to compete by failing to report that they had sold OSU-issued memorabilia to a tattoo-parlor owner.
Ohio State concedes major violations of NCAA regulations but says it should not face harsher punishment, because no OSU official other than Tressel was aware of player violations, according to the response that was obtained by The Dispatch.
"The responsibility is upon Tressel. No other institutional personnel were aware" of the violations, and the former coach failed in his obligation to report them, the response says. "The institution is embarrassed by the actions of Tressel."
The university concedes it is a "repeat violator" of NCAA regulations but contends that its "corrective and punitive actions are appropriate" and asks that the football program be spared additional punishment.
OSU also reported that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30. Until athletic director Gene Smith acknowledged that fact yesterday, Ohio State officials had repeatedly said that Tressel was not forced out.
In addition to vacating the wins from its 12-1 season along with its Big Ten and Sugar Bowl championships, the university has placed its football program on probation for two years effective today, Ohio State reported to the NCAA.
Today's report also reveals that the university has identified one additional football player who received discounts on tattoos and has declared him ineligible. The university has requested that the NCAA reinstate the unnamed player.
The Dispatch reported today that Ohio State is increasing compliance efforts and staffing. The report to the NCAA includes new restrictions on how and when players receive awards, in an attempt to ensure they do not sell them.
Players must prove they still have their championship rings and watches and will not receive other items, such as gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn helmets, until they leave the program.
The university also says that at least one compliance officer will travel with the football and basketball teams to away games to monitor players.
In Tressel's response, OSU officials wrote: "Coach Tressel has explained his thinking at the time, but offers no excuses for his faulty judgment ... (he) has paid a terrible price for his mistake, losing his job at one of the premier programs in the country."
In a Feb. 18 interview with OSU officials, Tressel said that he understood that, by allowing ineligible players to compete, Ohio State was "going to get as our works deserve" and that "we were going to pay the fiddler."
The university argues that Tressel's "integrity and proven history of promoting rules compliance," combined with his team's improving academic performance and other factors, should mitigate the severity of any NCAA sanctions. It also notes that he and his wife have donated $3 million since 2001, primarily to Ohio State.
The fallout from the scandal has included the resignation of Tressel, the partial-season suspension of six players, and quarterback Terrelle Pryor's decision to skip his senior season and turn pro.
Ohio State reported to the NCAA that is continuing to investigate other allegations of player misconduct that have swirled around the football team and will self-report any discovered violations. Pryor, who has denied wrongdoing, was being investigated for his use of several cars during his three years on campus.
The NCAA could take away scholarships and impose a post-season ban on the football program as additional punishment for its violations following a hearing before the infractions committee on Aug. 12 in Indianapolis.
Ohio State also could face additional punishment if the NCAA considers it a repeat offender stemming from violations in a 2006 case by then-basketball coach Jim O'Brien for which the NCAA put the university on probation for five years.
The downfall of Tressel and Ohio State began on April 2, 2010, when former OSU walk-on linebacker Christopher Cicero, who is now a Columbus lawyer, sent the coach an email informing him that at least two players had sold memorabilia to tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife.
Rife had considered hiring Cicero as his lawyer, but ultimately did not retain him. Cicero now faces professional punishment for improperly revealing Rife's confidences to Tressel.
"Tressel reported that when he read information in the email about drug trafficking, homicide and possession of criminal tools, he said 'it was a bad situation that scared him,'" the response says.
Rife, who has pleaded guilty to marijuana trafficking in federal court, paid the players with $9,480 in cash and $555 in free and discounted tattoos for items that included gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn gear.
In addition to five-game suspensions for the coming season for all but one of the implicated players, they are paying the university the money they received from the memorabilia sales, in monthly installments through November.
The report states that players began associating with Rife and his Fine Line Ink tattoo parlor after a "chance meeting" between him and a couple of players at a Columbus-area nightclub in early 2008.
The first memorabilia dealings with Rife occurred in 2009, but Ohio State should not vacate wins from that season because no one, including Tressel, was aware of those transactions, the university says.
The section of Ohio State's response detailing player accounts of their dealings with Rife was heavily redacted. Most said they sold the items due to personal and family financial hardships.
Tressel did not inform the compliance office or OSU officials that his players had committed apparent violations of NCAA regulations, and he signed an NCAA form certifying that he had no knowledge of violations.
He did not directly confront the players about selling memorabilia, but "told them to make proper choices and be careful with whom they associate," according to the response.
The former coach said he did not disclose the violations because he considered potential criminal activity and interference in an active federal investigation a higher priority.
The Dispatch reported previously that, although he did not notify OSU officials of the player misconduct, he shared the information Cicero provided with Jeannette, Pa., businessman Ted Sarniak, a mentor to Pryor. Ohio State's response to the NCAA concerning contact with Sarniak is heavily redacted and sheds no light on what Tressel and Sarniak discussed.
OSU officials learned of the violations in December when federal officials told them that investigators had found player memorabilia when they searched Rife's home during a drug investigation. Federal officials have said there is no evidence Ohio State players were involved in drug transactions.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sp ... -ncaa.html
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i don't care what anybody says....OSU still beat MI last year.
btw, anybody catch pawn stars the other night? guy came in with a pair of golden pants...you know the ones...buckeye players get a pair when they beat michigan. i think the show bought them for 1K each.