Northern Ireland

Mariamaniatis
Mariamaniatis Posts: 90
edited May 2011 in A Moving Train
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43056781/ns ... s-ireland/

Isnt it time for England to give back its last remaining colony? Maybe the Queen can end once and for all this last semblance of British treachery.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I agree.
    Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland!
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  • Bigda
    Bigda Posts: 469
    i agree with all my heart.
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  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    The majority of people in NI want to remain part of the UK...fact.

    Whats more important?
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  • Bigda
    Bigda Posts: 469
    edited May 2011
    Mikee J wrote:
    The majority of people in NI want to remain part of the UK...fact.

    Whats more important?

    nothing, indeed. but have they voted yet? i dont remember...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Most people in England couldn't care less about Northern Ireland. If it was handed back to the Irish it would make no difference to 99% of us.

    Sorry to disapoint you 'Last Exodus', aka 'The Face', aka 'Mariamaniatis', as I know this thread was created purely for my benefit.

    You'll have to try harder.
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Most people in England couldn't care less about Northern Ireland. If it was handed back to the Irish it would make no difference to 99% of us.

    Clearly, you have no idea....
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    Bigda wrote:
    Mikee J wrote:
    The majority of people in NI want to remain part of the UK...fact.

    Whats more important?

    nothing, indeed. but have they voted yet? i dont remember...

    Northern Ireland remains part of the UK because more than 50% of the population do not wish to be part of the Irish Republic. These people, known as 'Unionists' or 'Loyalists' also trace their roots back to Scottish settlers to Northern Ireland and consider themselves British, not Irish.

    Four of the six counties want to be Irish, but the population of the other two counties that want to be in the U.K. outnumber the population of the other four counties combined; it's a complicated.......


    And many many people in the UK, including England care.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Give NI back, it will be fine. Ireland is broke - completely - with nearly more debt than the country's worth hence the EU Bailouts which will be paid back for generations. If NI was handed back (especially with the economy as it is) it would bankrupt a nation. would that be right?
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    hostis wrote:
    Give NI back, it will be fine. Ireland is broke - completely - with nearly more debt than the country's worth hence the EU Bailouts which will be paid back for generations. If NI was handed back (especially with the economy as it is) it would bankrupt a nation. would that be right?

    No, it wouldn't. Its a naive and ridiculous statement.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Bigda
    Bigda Posts: 469
    Mikee J wrote:
    Bigda wrote:
    Mikee J wrote:
    The majority of people in NI want to remain part of the UK...fact.

    Whats more important?

    nothing, indeed. but have they voted yet? i dont remember...

    Northern Ireland remains part of the UK because more than 50% of the population do not wish to be part of the Irish Republic. These people, known as 'Unionists' or 'Loyalists' also trace their roots back to Scottish settlers to Northern Ireland and consider themselves British, not Irish.

    Four of the six counties want to be Irish, but the population of the other two counties that want to be in the U.K. outnumber the population of the other four counties combined; it's a complicated.......

    i am well aware of all that, however, is all this meaningful until they vote in the popular vote? easy to say for the majority about what it wants. i guess that a referendum could clear the complicated matter a little bit. cos now it is only word against word.
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  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Mikee J wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    Give NI back, it will be fine. Ireland is broke - completely - with nearly more debt than the country's worth hence the EU Bailouts which will be paid back for generations. If NI was handed back (especially with the economy as it is) it would bankrupt a nation. would that be right?

    No, it wouldn't. Its a naive and ridiculous statement.

    Then give back NI to Ireland. Im not sure any of us in England actually really do care, in the slightest....
  • foursymbols
    foursymbols Dublin Posts: 528
    Jeez, there's peace, lets just leave it at that... :roll:
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  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    Bigda wrote:

    i am well aware of all that, however, is all this meaningful until they vote in the popular vote? easy to say for the majority about what it wants. i guess that a referendum could clear the complicated matter a little bit. cos now it is only word against word.

    The figures are from the elections held every four years.. each one is much like a referendum in many ways as the choice is basically for or against unity. Its also something that would need to be done by Stormont, not Westminster... NI needs to lead its own future.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    hostis wrote:
    Mikee J wrote:
    hostis wrote:
    Give NI back, it will be fine. Ireland is broke - completely - with nearly more debt than the country's worth hence the EU Bailouts which will be paid back for generations. If NI was handed back (especially with the economy as it is) it would bankrupt a nation. would that be right?

    No, it wouldn't. Its a naive and ridiculous statement.

    Then give back NI to Ireland. Im not sure any of us in England actually really do care, in the slightest....

    I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    foursymbolz wrote:
    Jeez, there's peace, lets just leave it at that... :roll:

    Unfortunately this is not the case (I wish it were!). There are currently no big bombs (although two bombs have been diffused today in the republic as the Queen is visiting) there are daily paramilitary related incidents and the Real IRA are active.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Bigda
    Bigda Posts: 469
    Mikee J wrote:
    Bigda wrote:

    i am well aware of all that, however, is all this meaningful until they vote in the popular vote? easy to say for the majority about what it wants. i guess that a referendum could clear the complicated matter a little bit. cos now it is only word against word.

    The figures are from the elections held every four years.. each one is much like a referendum in many ways as the choice is basically for or against unity. Its also something that would need to be done by Stormont, not Westminster... NI needs to lead its own future.

    point. very reasononable statement. however, i am sure this is a lot more complicated than that. cos are the settlers "planted" by foreign, occupying power entitled to decide whether the island should or should not be united? and so on, and so on.. i would like to see all the nations and countries decide for themselves, but in this case i dont see how giving it back to RI could stop any hatred and hostility in real life. which is sad.
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  • hostis
    hostis Posts: 441
    Then give back NI to Ireland. Im not sure any of us in England actually really do care, in the slightest....[/quote]

    I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.[/quote]

    you may do, many families with direct contact may do as well but in my experience no one really cares 2 hoots either way.

    and the Real IRA are NOT active. this is dissident fringe groups that the Real IRA have openly distanced themselves from. and to call them paramilitary gives them credence, they are thugs and bullies that think they can scare people into their way of thinking. Intimidation through fear is losing its grip in NI.
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    hostis wrote:
    Then give back NI to Ireland. Im not sure any of us in England actually really do care, in the slightest....

    I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.[/quote]

    you may do, many families with direct contact may do as well but in my experience no one really cares 2 hoots either way.

    and the Real IRA are NOT active. this is dissident fringe groups that the Real IRA have openly distanced themselves from. and to call them paramilitary gives them credence, they are thugs and bullies that think they can scare people into their way of thinking. Intimidation through fear is losing its grip in NI.[/quote]

    Just shows your ignorance, with all due respect. The Real IRA is the splinter group that came from the Provisional IRA when it put down its guns in 1997. It is still active on a street level and has been vocal in its wish to unite Ireland with violence. In 2009 it was responsible for the deaths of two soldiers in a barracks in Massessereene.

    Your experience is not important.. what is important is the wishes of the people of NI. They have the opportunity for peace and stability with Stormont they just need to motivate their politicians to sit together.... very very difficult.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Mikee J wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Most people in England couldn't care less about Northern Ireland. If it was handed back to the Irish it would make no difference to 99% of us.

    Clearly, you have no idea....

    No, of course not. I've just lived in this country for over 30 years.
  • Mikee J
    Mikee J Posts: 1,323
    Justify your statement then.
    "My body's nobody's body but mine"

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