Northern Ireland
Mariamaniatis
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Isnt it time for England to give back its last remaining colony? Maybe the Queen can end once and for all this last semblance of British treachery.
Isnt it time for England to give back its last remaining colony? Maybe the Queen can end once and for all this last semblance of British treachery.
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Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland!
Prague '95 (w/Neil Young), Warsaw '96, Seattle '98, Katowice x2 '00, Berlin '00, Berlin '06, Katowice '07, Copenhagen '07, Belfast '10, Berlin '10, Amsterdam '12, Prague'12, Berlin x2 '12, Vienna '14, Berlin '14..
Whats more important?
nothing, indeed. but have they voted yet? i dont remember...
Prague '95 (w/Neil Young), Warsaw '96, Seattle '98, Katowice x2 '00, Berlin '00, Berlin '06, Katowice '07, Copenhagen '07, Belfast '10, Berlin '10, Amsterdam '12, Prague'12, Berlin x2 '12, Vienna '14, Berlin '14..
Sorry to disapoint you 'Last Exodus', aka 'The Face', aka 'Mariamaniatis', as I know this thread was created purely for my benefit.
You'll have to try harder.
Clearly, you have no idea....
Northern Ireland remains part of the UK because more than 50% of the population do not wish to be part of the Irish Republic. These people, known as 'Unionists' or 'Loyalists' also trace their roots back to Scottish settlers to Northern Ireland and consider themselves British, not Irish.
Four of the six counties want to be Irish, but the population of the other two counties that want to be in the U.K. outnumber the population of the other four counties combined; it's a complicated.......
And many many people in the UK, including England care.
No, it wouldn't. Its a naive and ridiculous statement.
i am well aware of all that, however, is all this meaningful until they vote in the popular vote? easy to say for the majority about what it wants. i guess that a referendum could clear the complicated matter a little bit. cos now it is only word against word.
Prague '95 (w/Neil Young), Warsaw '96, Seattle '98, Katowice x2 '00, Berlin '00, Berlin '06, Katowice '07, Copenhagen '07, Belfast '10, Berlin '10, Amsterdam '12, Prague'12, Berlin x2 '12, Vienna '14, Berlin '14..
Then give back NI to Ireland. Im not sure any of us in England actually really do care, in the slightest....
The figures are from the elections held every four years.. each one is much like a referendum in many ways as the choice is basically for or against unity. Its also something that would need to be done by Stormont, not Westminster... NI needs to lead its own future.
I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.
Unfortunately this is not the case (I wish it were!). There are currently no big bombs (although two bombs have been diffused today in the republic as the Queen is visiting) there are daily paramilitary related incidents and the Real IRA are active.
point. very reasononable statement. however, i am sure this is a lot more complicated than that. cos are the settlers "planted" by foreign, occupying power entitled to decide whether the island should or should not be united? and so on, and so on.. i would like to see all the nations and countries decide for themselves, but in this case i dont see how giving it back to RI could stop any hatred and hostility in real life. which is sad.
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I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.[/quote]
you may do, many families with direct contact may do as well but in my experience no one really cares 2 hoots either way.
and the Real IRA are NOT active. this is dissident fringe groups that the Real IRA have openly distanced themselves from. and to call them paramilitary gives them credence, they are thugs and bullies that think they can scare people into their way of thinking. Intimidation through fear is losing its grip in NI.
I have lived in England for 33 of my 34 years and I care a lot. As do may of the families who have had direct contact with the conflict.[/quote]
you may do, many families with direct contact may do as well but in my experience no one really cares 2 hoots either way.
and the Real IRA are NOT active. this is dissident fringe groups that the Real IRA have openly distanced themselves from. and to call them paramilitary gives them credence, they are thugs and bullies that think they can scare people into their way of thinking. Intimidation through fear is losing its grip in NI.[/quote]
Just shows your ignorance, with all due respect. The Real IRA is the splinter group that came from the Provisional IRA when it put down its guns in 1997. It is still active on a street level and has been vocal in its wish to unite Ireland with violence. In 2009 it was responsible for the deaths of two soldiers in a barracks in Massessereene.
Your experience is not important.. what is important is the wishes of the people of NI. They have the opportunity for peace and stability with Stormont they just need to motivate their politicians to sit together.... very very difficult.
No, of course not. I've just lived in this country for over 30 years.
You're talking about 50% of the population of Northern Ireland. I'm talking about the population of England.
No they don't. 99% of English couldn't give a toss.
well, your previous post clearly wasnt an example of most thorough analysis of the case as for the insider. sorry to say.
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I'm glad you are not representing people who do care... you wouldn't last 5 minutes. To be honest you have only offered generalised statements with no basis so far in this discussion so to me your opinion means nothing.
The insider? I've lived in many different parts of this country over the past 35 years, and I've never met anyone who gives a shit about Northern Ireland. If they handed it back to the Irish today most of the population of England wouldn't be effected one way or the other.
But go ahead and tell me I'm wrong about that from your more knowledgeable position in Poland.
I say your wrong.. from my knowledgeable position as a person who lived in Northern Ireland during the worst years of the conflict and someone who has a personal interest in it and peaks to English people a lot about it and happens to know many many people who care.I would suggest to you its because you talk to people who generally don't care about much at all.... you certainly come across that way.
AND, most importantly you cant back up what you say. In a discussion about such a important subject you point is completely null and void as it is nothing but conjecture.
well, judging by what your are saying and how much foundation it has in reliable data you are quoting, my " knowledgeable position in Poland" is equally knowledgeable as yours in China, my man. to say the least.
Prague '95 (w/Neil Young), Warsaw '96, Seattle '98, Katowice x2 '00, Berlin '00, Berlin '06, Katowice '07, Copenhagen '07, Belfast '10, Berlin '10, Amsterdam '12, Prague'12, Berlin x2 '12, Vienna '14, Berlin '14..
Yes & unfortunately that will never change but dozens of innocent people are not been murdered every week as was the case during the dark years!! From the South & altho we will have to live with dissident groups bent on destroying the Good Friday agreement, majority of people just getting on with their lives...
Indeed, and you are right, things are sooo much better. Hopefully one day the people who sill advocate violence will no longer represent anyones feelings. Fingers crossed.
Please show me where you've backed up what you've said?
You lived in Northern Ireland for a time, and speak to people with a personal interest in the subject? So it looks to me like your opinion is biased.