Federation of Islamic Councils wants Sharia Law in Australia

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I wouldn't call it a comeback catefrances and it wasn't intended as one. :roll:
You seem to be very tolerant and happy to have to change the way you live to suit those that have just arrived in Australia hence my post, how far will you go before it pisses you off? That was my point.

:roll:

i think there are bigger things in life to worry about...

Yeah and this is one of them.
I don't want my way of life changed to how others want it.
Australia is a Christian country based on Christian values.
I am sure these migrants from muslim countries know this when they choose to migrate here.

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I wouldn't call it a comeback catefrances and it wasn't intended as one. :roll:
You seem to be very tolerant and happy to have to change the way you live to suit those that have just arrived in Australia hence my post, how far will you go before it pisses you off? That was my point.

:roll:

im a vegetarian so halal butchers and the halal preparation of meat is a non issue to me.

and yes i am very tolerant.. but i do not nor will i ever support a change to the laws of this country that are religious in nature. and are you so seriously threatened by this? the media always has an agenda and whether you know it or not australia is a conservative country(always has been)... the media knows this and it exploits it with these fear tactics.

gimmesometruth27 · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think there are bigger things in life to worry about...

Yeah and this is one of them.
I don't want my way of life changed to how others want it.
Australia is a Christian country based on Christian values.
I am sure these migrants from muslim countries know this when they choose to migrate here.

you sound like bill the butcher from gangs of new york, only he was talking about irish rather than muslim.

how is this changing your way of life? honestly?

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I wouldn't call it a comeback catefrances and it wasn't intended as one. :roll:
You seem to be very tolerant and happy to have to change the way you live to suit those that have just arrived in Australia hence my post, how far will you go before it pisses you off? That was my point.

:roll:

im a vegetarian so halal butchers and the halal preparation of meat is a non issue to me.

and yes i am very tolerant.. but i do not nor will i ever support a change to the laws of this country that are religious in nature. and are you so seriously threatened by this? the media always has an agenda and whether you know it or not australia is a conservative country(always has been)... the media knows this and it exploits it with these fear tactics.

come on seriously now, you say you will never support a change to the laws of this country but you are okay with governments changing local laws in certain areas to make things muslim friendly i.e banning the selling of pork products?

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I wouldn't call it a comeback catefrances and it wasn't intended as one. :roll:
You seem to be very tolerant and happy to have to change the way you live to suit those that have just arrived in Australia hence my post, how far will you go before it pisses you off? That was my point.

:roll:

i think there are bigger things in life to worry about...

Yeah and this is one of them.
I don't want my way of life changed to how others want it.
Australia is a Christian country based on Christian values.
I am sure these migrants from muslim countries know this when they choose to migrate here.

australia is not a country based on christian values. where did you get that from? australia is a country founded on oppression and dispossession and the values of the church of england. catholics were not allowed to worship in their faith. if they wanted to worship they were forced to do so under the tenets of the church of england... or they didnt worship at all. and sometimes they were flogged for worshipping within their own faith. the term christian encompasses many faiths, so do not try and tell me australia was founded on christian value cause it just isnt so.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i think there are bigger things in life to worry about...

Yeah and this is one of them.
I don't want my way of life changed to how others want it.
Australia is a Christian country based on Christian values.
I am sure these migrants from muslim countries know this when they choose to migrate here.

you sound like bill the butcher from gangs of new york, only he was talking about irish rather than muslim.

how is this changing your way of life? honestly?

This is how my friend....
It may sound fucking trivial being over a burger but it is the perfect way to illustrate the issue.
I was born here, my friend was born here, we want to buy a product with pork in it but cannot do so because of these new laws made to cater for the newly arrived muslim population. Now because of this it changes our lives as we now have to drive further out consuming petrol (which we pay for at the pump) to get to the next area that isn't a muslim area so that we can buy pork products.
The same could be applied to pork sausages, ham, bacon, pork chops, etc etc.
Why should I and others who were born here and been here for much longer have to be inconvenienced to make these people that don't like how we live happy?

Smellyman · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Yeah and this is one of them.
I don't want my way of life changed to how others want it.
Australia is a Christian country based on Christian values.
I am sure these migrants from muslim countries know this when they choose to migrate here.

you sound like bill the butcher from gangs of new york, only he was talking about irish rather than muslim.

how is this changing your way of life? honestly?

This is how my friend....
It may sound fucking trivial being over a burger but it is the perfect way to illustrate the issue.
I was born here, my friend was born here, we want to buy a product with pork in it but cannot do so because of these new laws made to cater for the newly arrived muslim population. Now because of this it changes our lives as we now have to drive further out consuming petrol (which we pay for at the pump) to get to the next area that isn't a muslim area so that we can buy pork products.
The same could be applied to pork sausages, ham, bacon, pork chops, etc etc.
Why should I and others who were born here and been here for much longer have to be inconvenienced to make these people that don't like how we live happy?

fyi - there is no law. just doing it to get more customers becuase of location. That's capitalism.

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im a vegetarian so halal butchers and the halal preparation of meat is a non issue to me.

and yes i am very tolerant.. but i do not nor will i ever support a change to the laws of this country that are religious in nature. and are you so seriously threatened by this? the media always has an agenda and whether you know it or not australia is a conservative country(always has been)... the media knows this and it exploits it with these fear tactics.

come on seriously now, you say you will never support a change to the laws of this country but you are okay with governments changing local laws in certain areas to make things muslim friendly i.e banning the selling of pork products?

i never said i was ok with local laws being changed in this manner.. where did you get that from? the fact that i said halal preparation doesnt worry me? why would it? i dont have to eat the food... i can choose to shop elsewhere. once again if a fast food restaurant chooses to prepare their food halal or kosher for that matter and im not ok with that, then i will spend my money elsewhere. once again you seem to have a problem with your conveniences being violated.. as if you have a right to such conveniences.

if local govts are changing local ordinances in regards to the banning of pork products then id like to see evidence of that. do you have a link or perhaps direct me to a local councils minutes where this has happened.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

catefrances wrote:

australia is not a country based on christian values. where did you get that from? australia is a country founded on oppression and dispossession and the values of the church of england. catholics were not allowed to worship in their faith. if they wanted to worship they were forced to do so under the tenets of the church of england... or they didnt worship at all. and sometimes they were flogged for worshipping within their own faith. the term christian encompasses many faiths, so do not try and tell me australia was founded on christian value cause it just isnt so.

The first white Australians (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh) were of Christian faith, be it Anglican, Catholic, Protestant. What were they then? Of course this country was founded on such values from these faiths.
How many old churches do you see in Australia that were built over a 100 years ago, doesn't that prove it.
What does that tell you? Of course this country was based on Christian values be it from whichever specific faith.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im a vegetarian so halal butchers and the halal preparation of meat is a non issue to me.

and yes i am very tolerant.. but i do not nor will i ever support a change to the laws of this country that are religious in nature. and are you so seriously threatened by this? the media always has an agenda and whether you know it or not australia is a conservative country(always has been)... the media knows this and it exploits it with these fear tactics.

come on seriously now, you say you will never support a change to the laws of this country but you are okay with governments changing local laws in certain areas to make things muslim friendly i.e banning the selling of pork products?

i never said i was ok with local laws being changed in this manner.. where did you get that from? the fact that i said halal preparation doesnt worry me? why would it? i dont have to eat the food... i can choose to shop elsewhere. once again if a fast food restaurant chooses to prepare their food halal or kosher for that matter and im not ok with that, then i will spend my money elsewhere. once again you seem to have a problem with your conveniences being violated.. as if you have a right to such conveniences.

if local govts are changing local ordinances in regards to the banning of pork products then id like to see evidence of that. do you have a link or perhaps direct me to a local councils minutes where this has happened.

Broadmeadows, Fawkner, Coburg, a few suburbs in Melb.
If you don't believe me call KFC in Fawkner and ask them.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

This argument is doing my head in.
Let us agree to disagree.
I am a racist bigot end of. :roll:

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

australia is not a country based on christian values. where did you get that from? australia is a country founded on oppression and dispossession and the values of the church of england. catholics were not allowed to worship in their faith. if they wanted to worship they were forced to do so under the tenets of the church of england... or they didnt worship at all. and sometimes they were flogged for worshipping within their own faith. the term christian encompasses many faiths, so do not try and tell me australia was founded on christian value cause it just isnt so.

The first white Australians (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh) were of Christian faith, be it Anglican, Catholic, Protestant. What were they then? Of course this country was founded on such values from these faiths.
How many old churches do you see in Australia that were built over a 100 years ago, doesn't that prove it.
What does that tell you? Of course this country was based on Christian values be it from whichever specific faith.

i pointed out to you that those who worshipped within the catholic faith were oppressed and forced to worship within the church of england or not at all. therefore even though, as you pointed out catholicism is a christian faith, a fact that i am aware of, the values the colony was founded on were those of the church of england not the larger christian faith.. even though the church of england is christian. do you understand what im trying to say?

and yes i see many old churches on my wanderings... in fact ive photographed many... it a hobby of mine.

gimmesometruth27 · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

This is how my friend....
It may sound fucking trivial being over a burger but it is the perfect way to illustrate the issue.
I was born here, my friend was born here, we want to buy a product with pork in it but cannot do so because of these new laws made to cater for the newly arrived muslim population. Now because of this it changes our lives as we now have to drive further out consuming petrol (which we pay for at the pump) to get to the next area that isn't a muslim area so that we can buy pork products.
The same could be applied to pork sausages, ham, bacon, pork chops, etc etc.
Why should I and others who were born here and been here for much longer have to be inconvenienced to make these people that don't like how we live happy?

you are right, it sounds very trivial. permit me to give you options, since you seem to feel like you don't have any.

you can

1. accept the situation.
2.find an area more condusive to your views
3. convert to islam
4. just don't buy pork that day.
5. petition the store owner to sell pork, even though it is forbidden by his religion to handle such meat products.
6. slaughter your own pig

that is all i could think of off the top of my head this late at night.

i am assuming that australia is capitalist and that there is freedom to practice whatever religion you want to practice, correct? i understand how you view this as an inconvenience, but really, what can you do about it?

the facts are that it is what it is. sharia law is not going to take over the entire continent of australia. you can rest assured of that.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

Catefrances, Yes I understand but it was still practiced.
There are century old Catholic churches in Melbourne, those that built it might have been whipped hard I guess.

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

come on seriously now, you say you will never support a change to the laws of this country but you are okay with governments changing local laws in certain areas to make things muslim friendly i.e banning the selling of pork products?

i never said i was ok with local laws being changed in this manner.. where did you get that from? the fact that i said halal preparation doesnt worry me? why would it? i dont have to eat the food... i can choose to shop elsewhere. once again if a fast food restaurant chooses to prepare their food halal or kosher for that matter and im not ok with that, then i will spend my money elsewhere. once again you seem to have a problem with your conveniences being violated.. as if you have a right to such conveniences.

if local govts are changing local ordinances in regards to the banning of pork products then id like to see evidence of that. do you have a link or perhaps direct me to a local councils minutes where this has happened.

Broadmeadows, Fawkner, Coburg, a few suburbs in Melb.
If you don't believe me call KFC in Fawkner and ask them.

is it a banning or have these outlets chosen not to serve these items due to whatever reason?

p.s. you may as well swallow nails as eat KFC for all the good it does to your body.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

Catefrances, pork selling is not allowed in that suburb and a few suburbs close to it so KFC cannot sell it.
I don't buy take away often, very rarely because it is rubbish for the body.

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Catefrances, Yes I understand but it was still practiced.
There are century old Catholic churches in Melbourne, those that built it might have been whipped hard I guess.

we were talking of the founding, not what came later. and just quietly those christian values arent anything to write home about.

melbournes chock full of churches.. seems to have been a whole lot of sinners down there throughout history.. i blame the goldrush.

catefrances · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Catefrances, pork selling is not allowed in that suburb and a few suburbs close to it so KFC cannot sell it.
I don't buy take away often, very rarely because it is rubbish for the body.

ill be coming down to melbourne shortly.. ill be sure to check those suburbs out... and get back to you with my findings.

Thoughts_Arrive · May 2011

catefrances wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Catefrances, pork selling is not allowed in that suburb and a few suburbs close to it so KFC cannot sell it.
I don't buy take away often, very rarely because it is rubbish for the body.

ill be coming down to melbourne shortly.. ill be sure to check those suburbs out.

haha be safe, broady is rough.

Smellyman · May 2011

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

catefrances wrote:

australia is not a country based on christian values. where did you get that from? australia is a country founded on oppression and dispossession and the values of the church of england. catholics were not allowed to worship in their faith. if they wanted to worship they were forced to do so under the tenets of the church of england... or they didnt worship at all. and sometimes they were flogged for worshipping within their own faith. the term christian encompasses many faiths, so do not try and tell me australia was founded on christian value cause it just isnt so.

The first white Australians (English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh) were of Christian faith, be it Anglican, Catholic, Protestant. What were they then? Of course this country was founded on such values from these faiths.
How many old churches do you see in Australia that were built over a 100 years ago, doesn't that prove it.
What does that tell you? Of course this country was based on Christian values be it from whichever specific faith.

Those "founding" Christians forced aborigines into camps and then began the christian brainwashing propaganda.....

Federation of Islamic Councils wants Sharia Law in Australia

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