ha ha ha I like your style Byrnzie,the post was ment as a joke just lightin the mood around here but the best answer that I can give is that they are prisoners of war so to speak and so what's the hurry ? only the people involved in these government's know of their involvment that lad to to their capture so maybe they have the "let em rot in there" atitude....it could happen.
but I'm not one of those people that believe that the inmates are being held with out reason,mabe they are and mabe not..I don't know ..do you ?
Godfather.
Eveyone has a right to a fair trial. Unless of course you'd prefer to live in a totalitarian dictatorship? If one of your family members is dragged off to Guantanamo and held there for ten years without being charged with anything, I'm pretty sure you'd have something to say about it.
I agree 100% but these guys have no care for that and want you head and my head so. They have no rules or moals, they want to kill anybody that is not like them. It's called get them before they get us.
What guys? You mean the guys who have not been charged with any crime, and yet are kept in U.S prisons in defiance of international humanitarian law?
The people who should be on trial are the heads of state in Britain and the U.S who started two illegal wars of aggression abroad resulting in over a million dead and 5 million refugees.
only the people involved in these government's know of their involvment that lad to to their capture so maybe they have the "let em rot in there" atitude....it could happen.
Interesting that you find the criminal actions of your government amusing.
By the way, this isn't the first time you've mentioned your unbending faith in your government, and your belief that whatever they do behind closed doors - regardless of it's illegal under international law, and regardless of whether it's in the interests of U.S citizens or not - must be done for a good reason.
Here's a question for you Godfather: Do you think your country's politicians are above the law, and completely unaccountable?
your anger is justified, but this is the synopsis of extreme violence throughout human history. To make a change, for a paradigm shift, there has to be evolution of emotional actions and reactions. We have to move BEYOND emotion and even beyond being controlled by our rational minds that have produced ham-fisted pragmatist dullness and our competitive nature...
we must evolve to the point where we realize we are all equals and all one organism that needs to work together for the betterment of us all (not one person left behind) instead of raping and killing each other and the planet that gives us life.
Evolution of consciousness.... GO. :!:
THIS...it applies to ALL of us.
no.
there are many aspects/personalities/traits....i have no tolerance for. i am ok with that.
I am open to hear your POV, please explain which aspects/personalities/traits you are intolerant of, it may make more sense to me why people are so divided. I really want to know, no teasing implied.
Just another question, open to anyone...just wondering, really....when someone has no tolerance for certain things, why do they add more power to them by focusing on them? Like when we focus mainly on the perpetrator, not the innocent people who were killed and their families?
By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.
Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.
I think its unfair that you state that over 1 million iraqi have been killed by "christian" i think that presupposes that all people in the army are christian which is untrue.
I think its unfair that you state that over 1 million iraqi have been killed by "christian" i think that presupposes that all people in the army are christian which is untrue.
As a child who survived abuse, if I hung on to my past I would not be open to good people who are in my life now, and who will arrive in the future.
If I do know a child who is in that situation, I do not sit idly by being angry about it, I act by reporting it immediately. I have also stepped between an adult and a child to stop it, too. Yes, it is unbearable to experience it or witness it, but what is more intolerable is to stand by and let it happen, all the while complaining about it. I have the power to do something and I do, even if protecting someone else (especially an innocent child) puts me in harms way.
As a child who survived abuse, if I hung on to my past I would not be open to good people who are in my life now, and who will arrive in the future.
If I do know a child who is in that situation, I do not sit idly by being angry about it, I act by reporting it immediately. I have also stepped between an adult and a child to stop it, too. Yes, it is unbearable to experience it or witness it, but what is more intolerable is to stand by and let it happen, all the while complaining about it. I have the power to do something and I do, even if protecting someone else (especially an innocent child) puts me in harms way.
they are not my equals and i do not want to work with them.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
As a child who survived abuse, if I hung on to my past I would not be open to good people who are in my life now, and who will arrive in the future.
If I do know a child who is in that situation, I do not sit idly by being angry about it, I act by reporting it immediately. I have also stepped between an adult and a child to stop it, too. Yes, it is unbearable to experience it or witness it, but what is more intolerable is to stand by and let it happen, all the while complaining about it. I have the power to do something and I do, even if protecting someone else (especially an innocent child) puts me in harms way.
they are not my equals and i do not want to work with them.
No worries. I didn't say you had to work with them either. Thank you for sharing your POV, it's not easy to do that sometimes. I shouldn't have posted in defense either. I apologize if I made you feel like I judged you.
ha ha ha I like your style Byrnzie,the post was ment as a joke just lightin the mood around here but the best answer that I can give is that they are prisoners of war so to speak and so what's the hurry ? only the people involved in these government's know of their involvment that lad to to their capture so maybe they have the "let em rot in there" atitude....it could happen.
but I'm not one of those people that believe that the inmates are being held with out reason,mabe they are and mabe not..I don't know ..do you ?
Godfather.
Eveyone has a right to a fair trial. Unless of course you'd prefer to live in a totalitarian dictatorship? If one of your family members is dragged off to Guantanamo and held there for ten years without being charged with anything, I'm pretty sure you'd have something to say about it.
that was good, but nobody in my family has put themselfs in a position to be suspected of terrorism.
but I do see your point and yes I would but these are suspected terrorist, this country frowns on that sorta crime in a big way.
A lady Canadian libertarian wrote a lot of letters to the government,
complaining about the treatment of captive insurgents (terrorists)
being held in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities.
She received back the following reply:
National Defense Headquarters
M Gen George R. Pearkes Bldg, 15 NT
101 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa , ON K1A 0K2
Canada
Dear Concerned Citizen,
Thank you for your recent letter expressing your profound concern of
treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists captured by Canadian
Forces who were subsequently transferred to the Afghanistan
Government and are currently being held by Afghan officials in
Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities.
Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinions were
heard loud and clear here in Ottawa.
You will be pleased to learn, thanks to the concerns of citizens like
yourself; we are creating a new department here at the Department of
National De fence, to be called 'Liberals Accept Responsibility for
Killers' program, or L.A.R.K. for short.
In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided
to divert one terrorist and place him in your personal care.
Your personal detainee has been selected and is scheduled for
transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence in Toronto
next Monday.
Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be
cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your
letter of complaint.
It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers.
We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of
care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommend in
your letter.
Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your
sensitivity to what you described as his 'attitudinal problem' will
help him overcome these character flaws.
Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural
differences.
We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling.
Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat
and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or
nail clippers.
We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your
next yoga group.
He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from
common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked
up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.
Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except
sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property.
This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been
known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with
the new dress code that he will "recommend" as more appropriate attire.
I'm sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka
over time. Just remember that it is all part of 'respecting his
culture and religious beliefs' as described in your letter.
Thanks again for your concern. We truly appreciate it when folks like
you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job and care for our
fellow man.
You take good care of Ahmed and remember we'll be watching.
Good luck.
Cordially,
Gordon O'Connor
Minister of National Defense
Though I see the humour in this spoof, I don't find it funny at all.
I didn't mean to offend you sorry.
Godfather.
I didn't say you offended me. :?
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By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.
Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.
I'm an atheist, so religion is the force behind this kind of atrocities, I don't care from which religion comes from.
Same here. It seems like people are totally willing to point out the evils of Christianity, but, the minute you mention Islam, well, hey, they have feelings! Let's be sensitive.
Maybe I should have worded the title in a different way:
More harm caused by religion?
key phrase. God instead of religion suits well also. Wait, no. "More harm caused in the name of God" would be better.
The link is anti islamic, that´s for sure. Not good from the start. The act of beheading a baby is beyond the issue of what religion the criminals believe in.
Here in Guatemala, during the 36 year war that ended in the mid 90´s, soldiers cut thru preagneant women´s guts and threw the unborn infant in front of the villagers. I don´t care what the soldier´s beliefs was, that son of a bitch deserves to die in boiling water.
The link is anti islamic, that´s for sure. Not good from the start. The act of beheading a baby is beyond the issue of what religion the criminals believe in.
True. But they use religion as a prop from which to carry out these depraved acts. It's the religious ideology that allows them to murder and justify it. Radical Islamists beheading a child....Christians beheading a child...Communists beheading a child...Nazi's....Zionists....e.t.c.
Whether such people were sick to begin with, or whether their religious indoctrination sickened and polluted their minds is another question altogether.
To people like this, yes, religion is the issue. No doubt about that. But a crime like this has nothing to do with religion itself. Everyone has to understand this.
Its easy to cry out: "look what the muslims did!" as a reaction to this. It is important to find out who are the ones that control the masses that are willing to do such things. In a war, its always the innocent that suffer the consequences. Any kind of war. No laws apply. No rights are granted. period.
By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.
Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.
I'm an atheist, so religion is the force behind this kind of atrocities, I don't care from which religion comes from.
Same here. It seems like people are totally willing to point out the evils of Christianity, but, the minute you mention Islam, well, hey, they have feelings! Let's be sensitive.
What's the difference between the two religions?
My problem is - and admittedly I'm saying this as an atheist - is that a lot of people like to paint Muslims with a "broad brush" (to steal Kat's term). One Muslim does something bad = all Muslims are bad. They don't acknowledge that the actions of some represent the beliefs of all.
The reason some of us - myself included - respond by pointing out the "evils of Christianity" is to show the anti-Muslim crowd that the same argument can be applied there too. Neither side is perfect. The anti-Muslim crowd has no problems stating that pedophiliac priests, abortion clinic bombers, the IRA, the Westboro Baptist Church, etc don't represent Christians as a whole - the rest of us just hope that one day those same people will wake up and accept that Muslim extremists don't represent Muslims as a whole either.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Yeah Byrnze...why do you paint christains with that broad brush?
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Eveyone has a right to a fair trial. Unless of course you'd prefer to live in a totalitarian dictatorship? If one of your family members is dragged off to Guantanamo and held there for ten years without being charged with anything, I'm pretty sure you'd have something to say about it.
What guys? You mean the guys who have not been charged with any crime, and yet are kept in U.S prisons in defiance of international humanitarian law?
The people who should be on trial are the heads of state in Britain and the U.S who started two illegal wars of aggression abroad resulting in over a million dead and 5 million refugees.
Interesting that you find the criminal actions of your government amusing.
By the way, this isn't the first time you've mentioned your unbending faith in your government, and your belief that whatever they do behind closed doors - regardless of it's illegal under international law, and regardless of whether it's in the interests of U.S citizens or not - must be done for a good reason.
Here's a question for you Godfather: Do you think your country's politicians are above the law, and completely unaccountable?
I am open to hear your POV, please explain which aspects/personalities/traits you are intolerant of, it may make more sense to me why people are so divided. I really want to know, no teasing implied.
Just another question, open to anyone...just wondering, really....when someone has no tolerance for certain things, why do they add more power to them by focusing on them? Like when we focus mainly on the perpetrator, not the innocent people who were killed and their families?
I think its unfair that you state that over 1 million iraqi have been killed by "christian" i think that presupposes that all people in the army are christian which is untrue.
things that enjoy sex with animals.
i will stop there.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... entor.html
'Tony Blair viewed his decision to go to war in Iraq and Kosovo as part of a "Christian battle", according to one of his closest political allies.'
As a child who survived abuse, if I hung on to my past I would not be open to good people who are in my life now, and who will arrive in the future.
If I do know a child who is in that situation, I do not sit idly by being angry about it, I act by reporting it immediately. I have also stepped between an adult and a child to stop it, too. Yes, it is unbearable to experience it or witness it, but what is more intolerable is to stand by and let it happen, all the while complaining about it. I have the power to do something and I do, even if protecting someone else (especially an innocent child) puts me in harms way.
No worries. I didn't say you had to work with them either. Thank you for sharing your POV, it's not easy to do that sometimes. I shouldn't have posted in defense either. I apologize if I made you feel like I judged you.
that was good, but nobody in my family has put themselfs in a position to be suspected of terrorism.
but I do see your point and yes I would but these are suspected terrorist, this country frowns on that sorta crime in a big way.
Godfather.
Godfather.
China isn't a democracy.
And by the way, I'm English, not Chinese.
I didn't say you offended me. :?
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Same here. It seems like people are totally willing to point out the evils of Christianity, but, the minute you mention Islam, well, hey, they have feelings! Let's be sensitive.
What's the difference between the two religions?
Not much. Monotheistic religions are all basically the same.
key phrase. God instead of religion suits well also. Wait, no. "More harm caused in the name of God" would be better.
The link is anti islamic, that´s for sure. Not good from the start. The act of beheading a baby is beyond the issue of what religion the criminals believe in.
Here in Guatemala, during the 36 year war that ended in the mid 90´s, soldiers cut thru preagneant women´s guts and threw the unborn infant in front of the villagers. I don´t care what the soldier´s beliefs was, that son of a bitch deserves to die in boiling water.
True. But they use religion as a prop from which to carry out these depraved acts. It's the religious ideology that allows them to murder and justify it. Radical Islamists beheading a child....Christians beheading a child...Communists beheading a child...Nazi's....Zionists....e.t.c.
Whether such people were sick to begin with, or whether their religious indoctrination sickened and polluted their minds is another question altogether.
Its easy to cry out: "look what the muslims did!" as a reaction to this. It is important to find out who are the ones that control the masses that are willing to do such things. In a war, its always the innocent that suffer the consequences. Any kind of war. No laws apply. No rights are granted. period.
My problem is - and admittedly I'm saying this as an atheist - is that a lot of people like to paint Muslims with a "broad brush" (to steal Kat's term). One Muslim does something bad = all Muslims are bad. They don't acknowledge that the actions of some represent the beliefs of all.
The reason some of us - myself included - respond by pointing out the "evils of Christianity" is to show the anti-Muslim crowd that the same argument can be applied there too. Neither side is perfect. The anti-Muslim crowd has no problems stating that pedophiliac priests, abortion clinic bombers, the IRA, the Westboro Baptist Church, etc don't represent Christians as a whole - the rest of us just hope that one day those same people will wake up and accept that Muslim extremists don't represent Muslims as a whole either.