More harm caused by religious extremists

arq

WARNING VERY VERY GRAPHIC!!!

More harm caused by religious extremists...

THAILAND: Muslims behead a 9-year-old boy (WARNING: Graphic Images)
Posted: May 9, 2011 | Author: barenakedislam | Filed under: Religion of Hate | 92 Comments »
Then they hanged or beheaded the rest of his family. Yet another example of Muslim on Buddhist violence in a country where Muslims are only a small minority.

Live Leak - More than than 4000 people from police and teachers to monks and children have been killed in the past 7 years by Muslims in southern Thailand, but hardly a word in the mainstream media. In Southern Thailand Muslim gunmen continue killing and threatening innocent citizens. The Muslim insurgents have threatened to kill 20 teachers and have distributed fliers that said, “WANTED: 20 Deaths of Buddhist teachers.” Muslim terrorists object to the education system which teaches Buddhist culture that is not acceptable in Islam. The attacks are intended to force Buddhists to leave the region because Muslims want to create an independent Muslim nation in the three southern provinces.

The video on the website is NSFW, again WAAAYYY TO GRUESOME, but that's the way of the religion of peace...
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/201 ... ic-images/

ajedigecko

please do not share such information......this is a website of tolerance.

arq

ajedigecko wrote:

please do not share such information......this is a website of tolerance.

:( ok from now on only good news, rainbows, unicorns, cubs and of course fluffy clouds

ajedigecko

arq wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

please do not share such information......this is a website of tolerance.

:( ok from now on only good news, rainbows, unicorns, cubs and of course fluffy clouds

i like your style.

Byrnzie

More Muslim bashing on the M.T?

Seems to be the fashionable thing at the moment.


By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.

Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.

redrock

The actions of some extremists do not represent Islam as a whole.

Why continue with threads like this? A similar one (though not so graphic) was locked recently with Kat giving the reason why.

Of course what you have linked to is despicable but it is not representative. You just seem to want to spread hate, fear, racism. The site you linked is just for that.

gimmesometruth27

i'm not touching this one with a 50 foot pole....


IBTL


again

ajedigecko

muslim bashing?

i believe this thread is bashing Bush and his take on islam.

Byrnzie

It's not just a small minority of Muslims that have committed murder down the centuries. Here's some examples of what 'Christians' did in the Americas:

http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

"The [Catholic] Spaniards in Mexico and Peru used to baptize Indian infants and then immediately dash their brains out; by this means they secured that these infants went to heaven."
-- Bertrand Russell

In the 15th century and onwards, Christians discovered new lands full of unbelievers, and they did to the Africians and to the American Indians exactly what they did to the European unbeliever, but there was one difference. Christian artwork had depicted Satan and his demons as black. Not suprisingly Christians decided that Africans and Indians were a lot closer to Satan than white skinned Europeans, and they (Christians) acted accordingly to protect themselves from the "pollution" of contact with dark skinned people.

Christian civilization, by virtue of its exclusivist heresy and monotheism, became the self-justifying destroyer of all non-Christian culture.

By 1570 the Inquisition had established independent tribunals in Peru and the city of Mexico for the purpose of "freeing the land, which has become contaminated by Jews and heretics." Natives who did not convert to Christianity were burned like any other heretic. The Inquisition spread as far as Goa, India, where in the late 16th and early 17th centuries it took no less than 3,800 lives.

In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were "animals" in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight.

Unfortunately for the Indians, with the arrival of Christians would come the intolerance for their indigenous ways of life:
The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell."

What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
-- American Holocaust, by D.Stannard

When Columbus landed in America in 1492, he mistook it for India and called the native inhabitants "Indians." It was his avowed aim to "convert the heathen Indians to our Holy Faith" that warranted the enslaving and exporting of thousands of Native Americans. That such treatment resulted in complete genocide did not matter as much as that these natives had been given the opportunity of everlasting life through their exposure to Christianity. The same sort of thinking also gave Westerners license to rape women.
-- The Dark Side of Christian History, by Helen Ellerbe

A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.


On his first voyage he [Christopher Columbus] described the natives as follows:
"The people of this island and of all other islands which I have found and seen, ... all go naked, ... they ... are so artless and free with all they possess, that no one would believe it without having seen it. Of anything they have, if you ask them for it, they never say no; rather they invite the person to share it, and show as much love as if they were giving their hearts..."
-- Christopher Columbus


In return, Columbus and his men would teach them the Christian way - Columbus read to them in Spanish from the Requerimiento:
'I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter into your country and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highnesses. We shall take you and your wives and children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them...'-- Christopher Columbus [devout Christian] to Native Americans, 1492

At virtually every landing on Columbus' second voyage his troops went ashore and killed indiscriminately whatever animals and birds and natives they encountered, "looting and destroying all they found," as Columbus' son Fernando put it.


As one eyewitness recalls:
"Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep in the corral. ... So they would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin and they would send him on saying 'Go now, spread the news to your chiefs.'...

Some Christians encounter an Indian woman, who was carrying in her arms a child at suck; and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother's arms and flung it still living to the dog, who proceeded to devour it before the mother's eyes..."

On one occasion in Cuba they "began to rip open their bellies, to cut and kill those lambs - men, women, children, and old folk, all of whom were seated, off guard, and frightened."
After all, the Indians were only infidels, "naturally lazy and vicious, ... idolatrous, libidinous, and commit sodomy."

In less than a decade after Columbus' first landing the native population of the island of Hispaniola - thousands and thousands of people - had dropped by a third to a half. Before the next century ended, the population of Cuba and many other Caribbean islands had been virtually exterminated.

Byrnzie

ajedigecko wrote:

muslim bashing?

i believe this thread is bashing Bush and his take on islam.

I must have missed that.

arq

Byrnzie wrote:

More Muslim bashing on the M.T?

Seems to be the fashionable thing at the moment.


By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.

Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.

I'm an atheist, so religion is the force behind this kind of atrocities, I don't care from which religion comes from.

ajedigecko

Byrnzie wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

muslim bashing?

i believe this thread is bashing Bush and his take on islam.

I must have missed that.

i am only attempting to keep the topic unlocked.....and what better way, than to bash Bush.

Kat

I'm having deja vu.

Remember to keep the discussion about the people who actually did the killing and not an entire group of people who don't all think with one mind. Thank you.

Giz

So that takes away what they are doing now. I love people that live in the past. people should be beyond this, not having another religion start it all over again. enough with what happened 500 years ago. get a clue.

Byrnzie wrote:

More Muslim bashing on the M.T?

Seems to be the fashionable thing at the moment.


By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.

Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.

Giz

had no idea there were so many muslim pearl jam fans.
you speak of what the christians did years ago. how irrelivent since you dont recognize what the muslims are doing now.

joker.

Byrnzie wrote:

It's not just a small minority of Muslims that have committed murder down the centuries. Here's some examples of what 'Christians' did in the Americas:

http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4a.htm

"The [Catholic] Spaniards in Mexico and Peru used to baptize Indian infants and then immediately dash their brains out; by this means they secured that these infants went to heaven."
-- Bertrand Russell

In the 15th century and onwards, Christians discovered new lands full of unbelievers, and they did to the Africians and to the American Indians exactly what they did to the European unbeliever, but there was one difference. Christian artwork had depicted Satan and his demons as black. Not suprisingly Christians decided that Africans and Indians were a lot closer to Satan than white skinned Europeans, and they (Christians) acted accordingly to protect themselves from the "pollution" of contact with dark skinned people.

Christian civilization, by virtue of its exclusivist heresy and monotheism, became the self-justifying destroyer of all non-Christian culture.

By 1570 the Inquisition had established independent tribunals in Peru and the city of Mexico for the purpose of "freeing the land, which has become contaminated by Jews and heretics." Natives who did not convert to Christianity were burned like any other heretic. The Inquisition spread as far as Goa, India, where in the late 16th and early 17th centuries it took no less than 3,800 lives.

In the first few decades since 1492, it was thought that Indians did not have souls because they were "animals" in human form. Therefore, it was believed they could be hunted down like animals, which they were. It was only in 1530 CE that the Pope declared that the Indians were human. Having established their humanity, it was decided that they must be inducted into Christianity. As the Indians were unwilling, this was accomplished by force. Though the change in their status from animal to human might appear to be an improvement, in reality, little changed in their plight.

Unfortunately for the Indians, with the arrival of Christians would come the intolerance for their indigenous ways of life:
The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell."

What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
-- American Holocaust, by D.Stannard

When Columbus landed in America in 1492, he mistook it for India and called the native inhabitants "Indians." It was his avowed aim to "convert the heathen Indians to our Holy Faith" that warranted the enslaving and exporting of thousands of Native Americans. That such treatment resulted in complete genocide did not matter as much as that these natives had been given the opportunity of everlasting life through their exposure to Christianity. The same sort of thinking also gave Westerners license to rape women.
-- The Dark Side of Christian History, by Helen Ellerbe

A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery.
In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today.


On his first voyage he [Christopher Columbus] described the natives as follows:
"The people of this island and of all other islands which I have found and seen, ... all go naked, ... they ... are so artless and free with all they possess, that no one would believe it without having seen it. Of anything they have, if you ask them for it, they never say no; rather they invite the person to share it, and show as much love as if they were giving their hearts..."
-- Christopher Columbus


In return, Columbus and his men would teach them the Christian way - Columbus read to them in Spanish from the Requerimiento:
'I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter into your country and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highnesses. We shall take you and your wives and children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them...'-- Christopher Columbus [devout Christian] to Native Americans, 1492

At virtually every landing on Columbus' second voyage his troops went ashore and killed indiscriminately whatever animals and birds and natives they encountered, "looting and destroying all they found," as Columbus' son Fernando put it.


As one eyewitness recalls:
"Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep in the corral. ... So they would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin and they would send him on saying 'Go now, spread the news to your chiefs.'...

Some Christians encounter an Indian woman, who was carrying in her arms a child at suck; and since the dog they had with them was hungry, they tore the child from the mother's arms and flung it still living to the dog, who proceeded to devour it before the mother's eyes..."

On one occasion in Cuba they "began to rip open their bellies, to cut and kill those lambs - men, women, children, and old folk, all of whom were seated, off guard, and frightened."
After all, the Indians were only infidels, "naturally lazy and vicious, ... idolatrous, libidinous, and commit sodomy."

In less than a decade after Columbus' first landing the native population of the island of Hispaniola - thousands and thousands of people - had dropped by a third to a half. Before the next century ended, the population of Cuba and many other Caribbean islands had been virtually exterminated.

ledvedderman

Kat wrote:

I'm having deja vu.

Remember to keep the discussion about the people who actually did the killing and not an entire group of people who don't all think with one mind. Thank you.

This makes way too much sense for the Train. This guy cut me off on the road today, so that means all guys are assholes.

However, Islam IS a religion of peace...like all religions. It's too bad some wackos have given it this public face.

arq

Maybe I should have worded the title in a different way:

More harm caused by religion?

neweltheman

This is definitely a topic that should be addressed and not placed aside, because understanding is in the end what creates tolerance. Religion is a pretty huge topic in the world. Although the biggest mass genocides in the world have actually been conducted by secular governments (Stalin, Mao etc) it cannot be denied that Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Sheiks have all been involved in religious oriented violence and genocide. What is important to note is what has been said in the previous posts. These are extremist renditions of these faiths that participate in these violent acts or help to perpetuate violence in conflict areas. Sorry, I don't mean to be long winded but it is on my mind a lot because I am a graduate student that just finished a class called Religion, Violence, and Global Politics. If you want some good, insightful reading on this subject the following are excellent reads:

1)Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence by Mark Juergensmeyer (Cultural biography of religious violence looking at perspectives of extremist religious beliefs (of many religions) full of interviews with members of these groups)
2)Religion and Peacebuilding, edited by Harold Coward and Gordon S. Smith
3)Sudan: Race, Religion and Violence by Jok Madut Jok (Christian vs. Muslim violence, Muslim vs. Muslim violence)
4)Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam by John L. Esposito (Islam)
5)Osama bin Laden, Messages to the World: Statements of Osama bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence (Islam)
6)Sinhalese Buddhist Nationalist Ideology: Implications for Politics and Cinflict Resolution in Sri Lanka by Neil DeVotta (Buddhist vs. Tamil)
7)The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia by Michael Sells (Christian vs. Muslim violence)
8)Genocide in Rwanda: Complicity of the Churches? edited by Carol Rittner and John Roth

*Edit*And I guess I should edit and be more direct when I mention, yes, Religion has caused violence in history but that Religion is not the only cause of violence however. A big picture perspective is always beneficial and as far as mass numbers of atrocities religion can help decrease violence and be an important element to peacebuilding.

ledvedderman

arq wrote:

Maybe I should have worded the title in a different way:

More harm caused by religion?

then change it

arq

neweltheman wrote:

This is definitely a topic that should be addressed and not placed aside, because understanding is in the end what creates tolerance. Religion is a pretty huge topic in the world. Although the biggest mass genocides in the world have actually been conducted by secular governments (Stalin, Mao etc) it cannot be denied that Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Sheiks have all been involved in religious oriented violence and genocide. What is important to note is what has been said in the previous posts. These are extremist renditions of these faiths that participate in these violent acts or help to perpetuate violence in conflict areas. Sorry, I don't mean to be long winded but it is on my mind a lot because I am a graduate student that just finished a class called Religion, Violence, and Global Politics. If you want some good, insightful reading on this subject the following are excellent reads:

1)Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence by Mark Juergensmeyer (Cultural biography of religious violence looking at perspectives of extremist religious beliefs (of many religions) full of interviews with members of these groups)
2)Religion and Peacebuilding, edited by Harold Coward and Gordon S. Smith
3)Sudan: Race, Religion and Violence by Jok Madut Jok (Christian vs. Muslim violence, Muslim vs. Muslim violence)
4)Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam by John L. Esposito (Islam)
5)Osama bin Laden, Messages to the World: Statements of Osama bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence (Islam)
6)Sinhalese Buddhist Nationalist Ideology: Implications for Politics and Cinflict Resolution in Sri Lanka by Neil DeVotta (Buddhist vs. Tamil)
7)The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia by Michael Sells (Christian vs. Muslim violence)
8)Genocide in Rwanda: Complicity of the Churches? edited by Carol Rittner and John Roth

Only 8 posts and this one is just awesome! I'll take some time to check some of the books you mentioned, I really appreciate your comment :thumbup:

arq

ledvedderman wrote:

arq wrote:

Maybe I should have worded the title in a different way:

More harm caused by religion?

then change it

Done!

ajedigecko

darn it......you went and got all warm and fuzzy.

BinauralJam

Amen

Byrnzie

Giz wrote:

So that takes away what they are doing now. I love people that live in the past. people should be beyond this, not having another religion start it all over again. enough with what happened 500 years ago. get a clue.

I need to get a clue? Here's a clue for you which I hope you can comprehend: The Iraq war isn't the past, it's the present.

arq

ajedigecko wrote:

darn it......you went and got all warm and fuzzy.

Well maybe the way I word it made me look like this other wako:



But I'm against all religious extremists.

neweltheman

arq wrote:

neweltheman wrote:

This is definitely a topic that should be addressed and not placed aside, because understanding is in the end what creates tolerance. Religion is a pretty huge topic in the world. Although the biggest mass genocides in the world have actually been conducted by secular governments (Stalin, Mao etc) it cannot be denied that Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Sheiks have all been involved in religious oriented violence and genocide. What is important to note is what has been said in the previous posts. These are extremist renditions of these faiths that participate in these violent acts or help to perpetuate violence in conflict areas. Sorry, I don't mean to be long winded but it is on my mind a lot because I am a graduate student that just finished a class called Religion, Violence, and Global Politics. If you want some good, insightful reading on this subject the following are excellent reads:

1)Terror in the Mind of God: The Global Rise of Religious Violence by Mark Juergensmeyer (Cultural biography of religious violence looking at perspectives of extremist religious beliefs (of many religions) full of interviews with members of these groups)
2)Religion and Peacebuilding, edited by Harold Coward and Gordon S. Smith
3)Sudan: Race, Religion and Violence by Jok Madut Jok (Christian vs. Muslim violence, Muslim vs. Muslim violence)
4)Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam by John L. Esposito (Islam)
5)Osama bin Laden, Messages to the World: Statements of Osama bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence (Islam)
6)Sinhalese Buddhist Nationalist Ideology: Implications for Politics and Cinflict Resolution in Sri Lanka by Neil DeVotta (Buddhist vs. Tamil)
7)The Bridge Betrayed: Religion and Genocide in Bosnia by Michael Sells (Christian vs. Muslim violence)
8)Genocide in Rwanda: Complicity of the Churches? edited by Carol Rittner and John Roth

Only 8 posts and this one is just awesome! I'll take some time to check some of the books you mentioned, I really appreciate your comment :thumbup:

No problem arq. Anytime. It was a fascinating class and the scholarship being done on the subject is starting to grow in leaps and bounds. Hope you enjoy what you are able to grab and read.

Go Beavers

arq wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

More Muslim bashing on the M.T?

Seems to be the fashionable thing at the moment.


By the way arq, have you ever considered how many people have been murdered by Christians in the past 500 years? The biggest genocides the world has ever seen were committed by 'Christians'.

Also, over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed by 'Christians' since 2003.

I'm an atheist, so religion is the force behind this kind of atrocities, I don't care from which religion comes from.

I'm going to say that the force behind it is fear, desperation, and ignorance. Religion just gives them something to hitch their wagon to.

pandora

just the flipside here...
http://www.christianchronicle.org/artic ... aged_South

all the loving religious people who have come from churches all around the country to help

its beautiful people..... those of religion or not.... coming together

as the Pastor said

"What remains? Faith Hope And Love. Those are the only three things we had beforehand anyway. The things that matter have not changed.”

There are really bad evil people out there... you can find them anywhere

but remember all the good too.

It is that good the spirit needs to cherish it is uplifting and fufilling

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

Giz wrote:

So that takes away what they are doing now. I love people that live in the past. people should be beyond this, not having another religion start it all over again. enough with what happened 500 years ago. get a clue.

I need to get a clue? Here's a clue for you which I hope you can comprehend: The Iraq war isn't the past, it's the present.

Byrnzie, I also had wondered why you would show your support of the Muslim faith through bringing up what Christians had done in the past.

Now you bring up the Iraqi war...I thought that was a war about natural resources (your words)? Now it's Christians killing people because of their religion? Which is it?

I think is safe to say that there are extremists of every religion that do terrible things. What are the current day examples of Christians doing the equivalent of what is seen in the Muslim world? I'm honestly asking.

Digital Twilight

cincybearcat wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Giz wrote:

So that takes away what they are doing now. I love people that live in the past. people should be beyond this, not having another religion start it all over again. enough with what happened 500 years ago. get a clue.

I need to get a clue? Here's a clue for you which I hope you can comprehend: The Iraq war isn't the past, it's the present.

Byrnzie, I also had wondered why you would show your support of the Muslim faith through bringing up what Christians had done in the past.

Now you bring up the Iraqi war...I thought that was a war about natural resources (your words)? Now it's Christians killing people because of their religion? Which is it?

I think is safe to say that there are extremists of every religion that do terrible things. What are the current day examples of Christians doing the equivalent of what is seen in the Muslim world? I'm honestly asking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 09925.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOTkVhfMWcw

butterjam

ledvedderman wrote:

Kat wrote:

I'm having deja vu.

Remember to keep the discussion about the people who actually did the killing and not an entire group of people who don't all think with one mind. Thank you.

This makes way too much sense for the Train. This guy cut me off on the road today, so that means all guys are assholes.

However, Islam IS a religion of peace...like all religions. It's too bad some wackos have given it this public face.

Actually, that could be another thread about how most guys are a-holes. I've been saying this for years. Who is responsible for the majority of the evil in this world? Men. The world would be a much more peaceful place if women were in charge. Or hobbits. But I digress.

“We need religion to give grace and comfort to a world torn apart by religion.” -Jon Stewart