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I'm sorry but you are so clueless. Ever heard of second or third shift?? and 'easily find someone to take their shift'?? What planet are you on?Blockhead wrote:
Their PT conferences are at 7:30 so nice try. Also my Dad and all my friends parents were able to make it to all the PTC without loosing their jobs. THey all had the same responsibility of putting food on the table. PTconferences don't come up at suprises they are usually scheduled when the school year starts. I am sure giving your employer a month notice would be acceptable and I doubt any employer would not try and work with your schedule, especially if they are doing hourly work they could easily find someone to take their shift for that day. Quit with the excuses._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.Post edited by EmBleve on0 -
Didn't you just say that it's rare for a person on welfare to be working full time?EmBleve wrote:
Glad you brought that point to light! My thoughts concur._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.0 -
Blockhead wrote:They sound like great parents, you must be so proud of them that they are spending HALF on their kids... Since they are not getting drugged up at work they must be doing it at home infront or when they should be spending time with their kids. And you laugh at me for wanting these kids to be a more stable environment (foster/adoption)
Aside from the fact that your assumption is baseless (that only two places exist in the world: work & at home in front of your kids), you missed my entire point. All I was saying was that we shouldn't take food out of children's mouths, as I've said 100 times before.0 -
no, I did not say that at all. But, now that you mention it, where I live, if they WERE working full time, even if they make minimum wage, they would not be eligible to receive welfare for themselves (and probably still not able to afford even a minimal standard of living).Blockhead wrote:
Didn't you just say that it's rare for a person on welfare to be working full time?EmBleve wrote:
Glad you brought that point to light! My thoughts concur._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.Post edited by EmBleve on0 -
Blockhead wrote:
Their PT conferences are at 7:30 so nice try. Also my Dad and all my friends parents were able to make it to all the PTC without loosing their jobs. THey all had the same responsibility of putting food on the table. PTconferences don't come up at suprises they are usually scheduled when the school year starts. I am sure giving your employer a month notice would be acceptable and I doubt any employer would not try and work with your schedule, especially if they are doing hourly work they could easily find someone to take their shift for that day. Quit with the excuses._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.
glad you daddy didn't loose his job....
I'm guessing you're in your teens or lived a very sheltered life....perhaps both...0 -
Huh??? I worked at a restruant through college and everybody pick up different shifts for people. That is actually extremely common. What planet are you from.EmBleve wrote:
I'm sorry but you are so clueless. Every heard of second or third shift?? and 'easily find someone to take their shift'?? What planet are you on?Blockhead wrote:
Their PT conferences are at 7:30 so nice try. Also my Dad and all my friends parents were able to make it to all the PTC without loosing their jobs. THey all had the same responsibility of putting food on the table. PTconferences don't come up at suprises they are usually scheduled when the school year starts. I am sure giving your employer a month notice would be acceptable and I doubt any employer would not try and work with your schedule, especially if they are doing hourly work they could easily find someone to take their shift for that day. Quit with the excuses._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.
Are you saying everyone on welfare is working 2nd and 3rd shift.
You are made aware months in advance that there will be PT conferences. Letting your employer know a month in advance they will surly find someone to fill your shift for you. Do you even work? How could someone be so oblivious to this.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
(2) They are both dependants, dependant on someone else to live (provide basic needs of life, food, shelter,)_ wrote:(1) No, it's not like your employer does. Does your employer tell you exactly what you can & cannot buy with the money s/he gives you? I believe that's what was being discussed. If you believe we should tell welfare recipients what they can & cannot buy, whatever. But please stop with the bad analogies.
(2) Again with equating poor people to children? Really?? Sad.
(1) No my employer does not becuase I am providing my employer with my good/services. I am earning the money. But while I am at work they are rules set in the work place in order for me to earn that money.
What servies are welfare recipients who don't work providing. Nothing... So since we can't put rules on their "work" we should be able to put rules around what they are allowed to use their assistance for. Since you don't see a problem with them using "our" money how every they want. I am sure you are fine with them selling their families food stams for drugs and money right. You support that?
We are all dependents in some way.
We weren't talking about rules while people are at work; we were talking about rules re: what they can & cannot buy. So, again, bad analogy.
The truth is that you have no idea what services welfare recipients who don't work are providing or have provided or will provide. People contribute when they are working & need assistance when they're not. It doesn't mean they never contribute. By your logic, though, I assume you are against providing assistance to children, the disabled, & the elderly?
I think the part I bolded is central to your position. You are just looking for ways to control "these people," to assert your "hard-earned" power over those you think are lesser humans than you are.
Drugs are illegal. Money can be necessary for other things.0 -
I'm on earth in a place called reality. You don't always get MONTHS or WEEKS to be informed of a PT conference and if there are only 1 or 2 other people working with you, I'd like to see it 'easy' to get someone to take your shift. Apparently it wasn't the case in the ONE restaurant YOU worked in.Blockhead wrote:Huh??? I worked at a restruant through college and everybody pick up different shifts for people. That is actually extremely common. What planet are you from.
Are you saying everyone on welfare is working 2nd and 3rd shift.
You are made aware months in advance that there will be PT conferences. Letting your employer know a month in advance they will surly find someone to fill your shift for you. Do you even work? How could someone be so oblivious to this.
and do I even work?? What the hell kind of question is that??? I've been in the work force for almost 20 years and YES I WORK. IN FACT I HAVE TWO JOBS.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
Their PT conferences are at 7:30 so nice try. Also my Dad and all my friends parents were able to make it to all the PTC without loosing their jobs. THey all had the same responsibility of putting food on the table. PTconferences don't come up at suprises they are usually scheduled when the school year starts. I am sure giving your employer a month notice would be acceptable and I doubt any employer would not try and work with your schedule, especially if they are doing hourly work they could easily find someone to take their shift for that day. Quit with the excuses._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.
Oh my good God, man! You are living in a COMPLETELY alternate reality with ABSOLUTELY ZERO understanding of the situations of "these people" you keep talking about!! It's absolutely mind-boggling how little you understand & yet how much you judge. I mean, really, I think my head is going to explode after reading such an asinine comment!
You actually believe that everyone has the same work experience as you and your dad, don't you? Where no one works at 7:30 and everyone's bosses let them off work whenever they want and everyone can afford to lose money?!? Sure, SOME people have that experience, but MANY, MANY don't.
It must be nice to have lived a life of such motherfucking privilege. :roll: (But please pull your head out of your ass before you continue to judge.)0 -
I am being paid for MY work, what I contribute. What are they contributing to the GOV. to recieve this money? Nothing, they are being paid for not providing any services._ wrote:Blockhead wrote:
(2) They are both dependants, dependant on someone else to live (provide basic needs of life, food, shelter,)_ wrote:(1) No, it's not like your employer does. Does your employer tell you exactly what you can & cannot buy with the money s/he gives you? I believe that's what was being discussed. If you believe we should tell welfare recipients what they can & cannot buy, whatever. But please stop with the bad analogies.
(2) Again with equating poor people to children? Really?? Sad.
(1) No my employer does not becuase I am providing my employer with my good/services. I am earning the money. But while I am at work they are rules set in the work place in order for me to earn that money.
What servies are welfare recipients who don't work providing. Nothing... So since we can't put rules on their "work" we should be able to put rules around what they are allowed to use their assistance for. Since you don't see a problem with them using "our" money how every they want. I am sure you are fine with them selling their families food stams for drugs and money right. You support that?
We are all dependents in some way.
We weren't talking about rules while people are at work; we were talking about rules re: what they can & cannot buy. So, again, bad analogy.
The truth is that you have no idea what services welfare recipients who don't work are providing or have provided or will provide. People contribute when they are working & need assistance when they're not. It doesn't mean they never contribute. By your logic, though, I assume you are against providing assistance to children, the disabled, & the elderly?
I think the part I bolded is central to your position. You are just looking for ways to control "these people," to assert your "hard-earned" power over those you think are lesser humans than you are.
Drugs are illegal. Money can be necessary for other things.
Technicaly they are always at "work" since they are being paid by the gov. to do nothing.
And you have no idea what service welfare recipients who don't work are providing or have provided or will provide. They look like they are doing a great job contributing to the areas they live in. My positions which for some reason you can't grasp is bolded and explained by if you restrict what they are spending their money on, that can ONLY be a positive for the children.
So again you approve of people on welfare with families selling thier food stams for something else. Since they should not have restrictions on what they are given.0 -
The first day of school you are given a school schedule of events and on that are PT conferences... OMG how do you not get that, my daughter is in pre-school and they manage to do that, they do it in my wifes school. They did it in my school. Its a pretty universal concept.EmBleve wrote:
I'm on earth in a place called reality. You don't always get MONTHS or WEEKS to be informed of a PT conference and if there are only 1 or 2 other people working with you, I'd like to see it 'easy' to get someone to take your shift. Apparently it wasn't the case in the ONE restaurant YOU worked in.Blockhead wrote:Huh??? I worked at a restruant through college and everybody pick up different shifts for people. That is actually extremely common. What planet are you from.
Are you saying everyone on welfare is working 2nd and 3rd shift.
You are made aware months in advance that there will be PT conferences. Letting your employer know a month in advance they will surly find someone to fill your shift for you. Do you even work? How could someone be so oblivious to this.
and do I even work?? What the hell kind of question is that??? I've been in the work force for almost 20 years and YES I WORK. IN FACT I HAVE TWO JOBS.0 -
Blockhead wrote:
Their PT conferences are at 7:30 so nice try. Also my Dad and all my friends parents were able to make it to all the PTC without loosing their jobs. THey all had the same responsibility of putting food on the table. PTconferences don't come up at suprises they are usually scheduled when the school year starts. I am sure giving your employer a month notice would be acceptable and I doubt any employer would not try and work with your schedule, especially if they are doing hourly work they could easily find someone to take their shift for that day. Quit with the excuses._ wrote:Let's say you are a low-income parent, trying to put food on the table. You would likely have to be at work during parent-teacher conferences. You probably are paid by the hour and don't have any/much leave time. Your options, then, are to miss the conference & work to feed your kids, or miss work to go to the conference, have less ability to provide for your family, & possibly lose your job. You of all people, who talks so much about how people should work their assess off to put food on the table no matter what, should not fault people for making the decision to continue to work in this situation.
I just realized this post relates in a way to a post in another thread. Though I know you don't represent most of the "educated" population, I think it's completely out-of-touch attitudes like yours that encourage others to have attitudes like these:
http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3632808cajonkiwi wrote:I find it curious that a lot of people in America look down their noses at educated people. There are people who criticize Obama for being an "elitist" simply because he was educated at an Ivy League school and can coherently string a sentence together. Oddly enough, many of the people who criticize Obama for that were whipped into a frenzy by Republican politicians... Republican politicians who went to prestigious universities (what was that comment about keeping the population dumb so they don't try and change the system?). Here in Louisiana there's a lot of anti-higher education sentiment, and a lot of people are glad that the universities are having their budgets slashed because, to them, universities do nothing more than train people to be liberal elites (because, you know, when you're researching potential cures for cancer and AIDS it totally matters who you voted for in the last election). It never ceases to amaze me just how many people out there distrust people with an education. Personally, I don't want the leader of a country to be a "man of the people" - I want the guy in charge to be able to think at a higher level than me. People need more education (and of a better quality), not less - though there are people out there who think education = bad. It's crazy.0 -
It really, really is mind-boggling. Blockhead you scare me. You are completely devoid of logic or rationale or any understanding of the real world in terms of what some people have to do to make it through life (anything other than your life)._ wrote:Oh my good God, man! You are living in a COMPLETELY alternate reality with ABSOLUTELY ZERO understanding of the situations of "these people" you keep talking about!! It's absolutely mind-boggling how little you understand & yet how much you judge.0 -
Really?? Seriously?? Is this a joke?Blockhead wrote:The first day of school you are given a school schedule of events and on that are PT conferences... OMG how do you not get that, my daughter is in pre-school and they manage to do that, they do it in my wifes school. They did it in my school. Its a pretty universal concept.0 -
Blockhead wrote:I am being paid for MY work, what I contribute. What are they contributing to the GOV. to recieve this money? Nothing, they are being paid for not providing any services.
Technicaly they are always at "work" since they are being paid by the gov. to do nothing.
And you have no idea what service welfare recipients who don't work are providing or have provided or will provide.
Your narrow-minded idea of contribution aside, most people who receive welfare will work at some point in their lives, right? So then we do know for a fact that they contribute to the system.Blockhead wrote:They look like they are doing a great job contributing to the areas they live in. My positions which for some reason you can't grasp is bolded and explained by if you restrict what they are spending their money on, that can ONLY be a positive for the children.
So again you approve of people on welfare with families selling thier food stams for something else. Since they should not have restrictions on what they are given.
You are talking about breaking the law. That is not what we are talking about here.0 -
Why don't you just excuse them out of all responsibility since thats what you are doing. Should be abolish PT conferecnes in poor areas because none of them can make it at any time???_ wrote:Oh my good God, man! You are living in a COMPLETELY alternate reality with ABSOLUTELY ZERO understanding of the situations of "these people" you keep talking about!! It's absolutely mind-boggling how little you understand & yet how much you judge. I mean, really, I think my head is going to explode after reading such an asinine comment!
You actually believe that everyone has the same work experience as you and your dad, don't you? Where no one works at 7:30 and everyone's bosses let them off work whenever they want and everyone can afford to lose money?!? Sure, SOME people have that experience, but MANY, MANY don't.
It must be nice to have lived a life of such motherfucking privilege. :roll: (But please pull your head out of your ass before you continue to judge.)
Please find where I said they all have the same work experience as my dad, Ill be waiting...
But I find it extremely hard to believe if you went up to your boss (at any job) and said hey in a month I have a PT conferene could I leave work early that day or have someone pick up my shift , they would not work with you.
Great job though. You have just excused these people into not having any responsibilty in your eyes.
TO me it sounds like they don't even have time to parent, how unfair, lets just keep giving them more money.
Sorry but I live a life of responsibily and don't make excuses for everthing that dosen't go my way. We are now living in a world that is giving our GIFT CARDS to get parents to go to PT conferences. OHHHHH POOR PARENTS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN GIVE YOU...0 -
How do you not understand this simple concept.EmBleve wrote:
Really?? Seriously?? Is this a joke?Blockhead wrote:The first day of school you are given a school schedule of events and on that are PT conferences... OMG how do you not get that, my daughter is in pre-school and they manage to do that, they do it in my wifes school. They did it in my school. Its a pretty universal concept.
Its amazing how AMT views getting off work for a few hours or getting someone to pick up your shift.
Hell all women have to do is tell their boss they are having women "issues" and they get the day off.Post edited by Blockhead on0
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