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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Blockhead wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people

    bingo ...

    it's a cultural thing ... is it any wonder that a country that spends the most on arms worldwide and is involved in the most conflicts has a gun problem? ...

    i mean ... you watch tv at night and you can see people getting shot up but you can't see a female breast ... it's a place that glorifies violence to a degree ... the old wild west, cowboy mentality ... it's a country that deems it so important that its part of their constitution ...

    it's a country that still has capital punishment ... violence begets violence ... it's a vicious cycle ...
    Yes, its clearly this simple... :roll:
    I watched alot of violent cartoons growing up (x-men, heman, TMNT, Hulk, Star Wars, etc) I also played with toy guns, knives, martial arts wepons, etc... Its amazing that I havent killed anybody yet.

    no its not that simple but you can't deny the fact that the American culture is one of violence. Many Americans will complain about a women breast being shown (i.e. Janet Jackson in the Superbowl) than seeing a gun on a TV show.

    Like i said before Canada also has a lot of guns but no where close to the gun violence that America has. how is that possible. how does it get to the point where Americans are OK with using their guns to kill people.
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Byrnzie wrote:
    311jj wrote:
    You want me to post statistics of something I think doesn't happen? I'm asking you where you get this information that every other week there is a shootout. I think the burden of doubt lies on you to prove this.


    In 2005 there were 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States.
    There are 365 days in the year.
    Do the math.


    Just to clairify things a bit a homicide and a murder is not the same thing. Any time somone dies as the result of someone else it is considered a homicide. So while I agree that number is high it would also include things like hunting accidents and self-defense shootings.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Meth is illegal...people still obtain meth and kill themselves and their children on a daily basis. I fail to see how making guns illegal is going to prevent the wrong people from getting their hands on them. Maybe we should look into the motivation for these crimes a little more...decrease bullying, take a stance against violent media that glamorizes killing, watch your kids and make sure they're not out torturing the neighbor's cat, etc... I actually believe that there should be more guns in schools in the hands of responsible adults that can decrease body counts if some dumb fuck decides to come in and try killing our kids...

    who is going to decide who is a responsible adult? Arizona has a law allowing guns to be concealed and did that do anything to stop that person from shooting people? that is the problem with this train of thought.

    we have tried to decrease gun violence by allowing more people to have weapons but that has not help so at what point do we say maybe lets try the other option of having less guns.

    why the hell do we need automatic weapons? why do we need Ak-47 with multi magazines for shooting?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7357550n
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung wrote:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7357550n

    yeah ... conflict is good for business ... :(
  • megatron
    megatron Posts: 3,420
    i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.

    i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
    i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    megatron wrote:
    i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.

    i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
    i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is

    the thing is ... why are there so many other countries that live a similar standard of living, etc ... and no one owns a gun (relatively speaking)? ... why is it so many other societies can function without the safety net of a firearm?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Why i cant buy a gun.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrE5H0dZstc
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    megatron wrote:
    i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.

    i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
    i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is

    I understand what you are saying here but i think there is a difference between having a car and owning a gun., the difference is that when i gun is used there is a greater chance that someone is going to get hurt. a gun is designed for one reason and that is for shooting things depending on what you shoot at. a car main person is to drive from 1 place to another so while yes some people may hurt others while driving that is not the main reason people use them.

    secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
  • megatron
    megatron Posts: 3,420
    fife wrote:
    megatron wrote:
    i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.

    i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
    i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is

    I understand what you are saying here but i think there is a difference between having a car and owning a gun., the difference is that when i gun is used there is a greater chance that someone is going to get hurt. a gun is designed for one reason and that is for shooting things depending on what you shoot at. a car main person is to drive from 1 place to another so while yes some people may hurt others while driving that is not the main reason people use them.

    secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.

    yea i know it was a stretch. i wish no one had/needed a gun.
    violence in general is awful. just friday a friend was stabbed and killed at a very friendly bar i frequent. they have freaking 80's night and the dude got killed. knife/gun...awful all around
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    fife wrote:
    secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
    Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. ... you can possess semi-automatic versions.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Jason P wrote:
    fife wrote:
    secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
    Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. ... you can possess semi-automatic versions.

    sorry i meant semi-automatic. I don't see why they should be sold.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.

    Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.

    Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung wrote:
    What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.

    Instead if finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.

    Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.

    did you see the conspirator? ... or at least know of the story behind the film?

    the constitution has been shat on right from the get-go
  • edvedderrocks
    edvedderrocks Posts: 1,001
    I can't stand Michael Moore. Anything he does, to me, is not worth my time. He is so one sided on everything he talks about.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung wrote:
    What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.

    Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.

    Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.

    I agree that we have to look at the other social factors but to say that a device whose sole purpose is to shoot things to either hurt and kill is not a part of that problem is a joke. I have said in this tread that you must also look at the mentality of American and why they have this violent mentality. Other countries have weapons too but you don't see the gun violence that you see in America. like i said earlier, Canada has just as many weapons as American but no where the same amount of gun violence. what is the differences between American and Canada?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    unsung wrote:
    What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.

    Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.

    Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.

    Oh come on. I'm not blaming a device. I'm always blaming the person, but I would prefer to make it harder for those crazy assholes to get a weapon that is capable of killing lots of people in little time.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So make checks in order to do so. Don't make laws that keep people like me from purchasing something. The nutjobs are a tiny fraction of the law abiding citizens.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    fife wrote:
    what is the differences between American and Canada?

    East L.A., South side of Chicago, Detroit, Houston, parts of NYC, inner city poverty, poor federal education system (which should be abolished), Mexican drug cartels that spill into the US that are also supplied arms from our very own government... shall I go on?
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    unsung wrote:
    fife wrote:
    what is the differences between American and Canada?

    East L.A., South side of Chicago, Detroit, Houston, parts of NYC, inner city poverty, poor federal education system (which should be abolished), Mexican drug cartels that spill into the US that are also supplied arms from our very own government... shall I go on?


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