bowling for columbine
nothing_man_92
Canberra, Australia Posts: 347
Just watched bowling for columbine and it really scared me. America is such a powerful country and they have ALOT of problems. Someone really needs to do something about it.
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did you post this as you serious personal statement, using the beatles songtitle?
or do you share what john lennon meant on the song?
i have never even held a gun. i hate them. although i am glad someone shot bin laden in the face.
are you glad those kids shot the other kids at school? My guess is not.
I sincerely don´t think you are a bad person and I don´t want to directly attack you, but...
posting "happiness is a warm gun" in a bowling for columbine thread is stupid, disrespectful, and shameless from your part.
The beatles song is about sex, btw.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
There have been the odd shooting incidents in practically every country in the world at one time or another, but this doesn't change the fact that gun crime in the U.S isn't a masive problem. Every other week someone goes into a school in the U.S and shoots a bunch of people. This doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
The U.S has a problem with the proliferation of guns. This is not debatable, it's a fact.
Yes, but a gun is a very impersonal weapon. A lot of the problem is these multiple shootings of random people. A gunman just walks through a crowd mowing people down with out really seeing the damage done, you give the same person a knife or tell the to choke their victims to death they would not have the balls to do it.
After a mass shooting in Australia we change our gun laws a lot and gun crime has gone down dramatically, but knife crime and other weapon crimes have not gone up to compensate, they have stayed the same as before gun reform.
I don't see much changing as the politicians are scared shitless of the pro-gun lobby.
Every other week? Where do you get your "news" from?
Yeah, every other week. In a school, or shopping centre, or some other public place. Every other week someone in the U.S picks up a gun and kills a bunch of people.
Feel free to post the statistics.
You want me to post statistics of something I think doesn't happen? I'm asking you where you get this information that every other week there is a shootout. I think the burden of doubt lies on you to prove this.
In 2005 there were 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States.
There are 365 days in the year.
Do the math.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
In 2001 there were 11,671 homicides caused by firearms in the U.S.
There are just 365 days in a year. So maybe I should edit my post above from 'every other day' to 'every hour.'
I'm not denying the amount of deaths, including suicides, caused by guns. Its awful. But what is to be done about it? Pandora's box is open. Simply banning all guns will not work. Criminals will get their hands onto guns no matter what we do.
O.k, it looks like the average over the last 10 years amounts to approx one every two weeks:
http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/sc ... lence.html
For purposes of this monitoring report, school-associated violent deaths are homicides, suicides, or other violent, non-accidental deaths in the United States in which a fatal injury occurs:
1) inside a school, on school property, on or immediately around (and associated with) a school bus, or in the immediate area (and associated with) a K-12 elementary or secondary public, private, or parochial school;
2)on the way to or from a school for a school session;
3)while attending, or on the way to or from, a school-sponsored event;
4) as a clear result of school-related incidents/conflicts, functions, activities, regardless of whether on or off actual school property;
Shootings:
1999-2000 = 10
2000-2001 = 14
2001-2002 = 5
2002-2003 = 3
2003-2004 = 23
2004-2005 = 24
2005-2006 = 15
2006-2007 = 13
2007-2008 = 8
2008-2009 = 8
2009-2010 = 7
Again, I was just questioning that every other week there is a shooting spree. It just seemed a little overblown. It goes back to my assertion that if you have an agenda, you will twist facts around to fit it. Yes, something needs to be done about our gun laws. But having them shaped by the ultra left or NRA is not a solution to me.
Those figures were just of schools. If we include colleges & Universities then the number increases:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=9603275
Timeline: Shootings at U.S. College Campuses
April 16, 2007
Monday's campus shooting at Virginia Tech was the deadliest in U.S. history. Here, a list of other fatal shootings that have occurred at U.S. colleges and universities over the past several decades:
April 16, 2007: A gunman kills more than 30 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va.
Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.
Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.
Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study, and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.
Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.
Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees are killed, including four members of the Physics Department; two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, including his wife and mother, who were shot the night before; 31 others are wounded.
That said, I am still firmly on the More gun control side of this argument. NO matter if it's 1 shooting every month, or 2 weeks, who cares? It's way too many and it's increased the level of violence inflicted during "school-related conflicts". The conflicts aren't new, but the outcomes have become far more severe and spread to more people (bystanders).
I'm surprised that we are still debating the validity of the argument rather than trying to figure out what to do to make our kids safer.
What is your suggestion to lower the gun deaths here in the US?
Are you asking me? I didn't imply any statistics.
What would I do? End swap meet sales and gun show sales of guns. Require 1 month waiting period after application for a firearm license that includes an extensive background check. Require a practical test to receive a license to have a gun. And make all penalties for failure to comply with the new laws extremely harsh. But that is off the top of my head. Oh, and limited the types of firearms that can be used legal greater than it already is.