Personally, I thought Bowling for Columbine was a terrible documentary.
I know it's fashionable to dsilike Michael Moore, but I don't think we should overlook the fact that it did a great deal for Documentary film making worldwide, and that it won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, the Independent Spirit Award for Best Documentary Feature, a special 55th Anniversary Prize at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival[2] and the César Award for Best Foreign Film.
Sure, but not to the levels at which you were implying.
What is your suggestion to lower the gun deaths here in the US?
Are you asking me? I didn't imply any statistics.
What would I do? End swap meet sales and gun show sales of guns. Require 1 month waiting period after application for a firearm license that includes an extensive background check. Require a practical test to receive a license to have a gun. And make all penalties for failure to comply with the new laws extremely harsh. But that is off the top of my head. Oh, and limited the types of firearms that can be used legal greater than it already is.
I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people
Personally, I thought Bowling for Columbine was a terrible documentary.
I know it's fashionable to dsilike Michael Moore, but I don't think we should overlook the fact that it did a great deal for Documentary film making worldwide, and that it won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, the Independent Spirit Award for Best Documentary Feature, a special 55th Anniversary Prize at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival[2] and the César Award for Best Foreign Film.
It's also ok to not like Michael Moore and his version of what a documentary is. I've seen most of his. Like Roger and Me. Disliked the rest.
It did highlight the documentary field to more people...but you could argue that it's a bad thing it was his version of what it is. I just don't like his style nor his pompous attitude, regardless of what the topic is...He doesn't generate discussion by showing facts, he manipulates situations to try and prove his preconceived point of view.
All that aside, I agree with his belief we need better gun control.
It's also ok to not like Michael Moore and his version of what a documentary is. I've seen most of his. Like Roger and Me. Disliked the rest.
It did highlight the documentary field to more people...but you could argue that it's a bad thing it was his version of what it is. I just don't like his style nor his pompous attitude, regardless of what the topic is...He doesn't generate discussion by showing facts, he manipulates situations to try and prove his preconceived point of view.
All that aside, I agree with his belief we need better gun control.
Meth is illegal...people still obtain meth and kill themselves and their children on a daily basis. I fail to see how making guns illegal is going to prevent the wrong people from getting their hands on them. Maybe we should look into the motivation for these crimes a little more...decrease bullying, take a stance against violent media that glamorizes killing, watch your kids and make sure they're not out torturing the neighbor's cat, etc... I actually believe that there should be more guns in schools in the hands of responsible adults that can decrease body counts if some dumb fuck decides to come in and try killing our kids...
I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people
bingo ...
it's a cultural thing ... is it any wonder that a country that spends the most on arms worldwide and is involved in the most conflicts has a gun problem? ...
i mean ... you watch tv at night and you can see people getting shot up but you can't see a female breast ... it's a place that glorifies violence to a degree ... the old wild west, cowboy mentality ... it's a country that deems it so important that its part of their constitution ...
it's a country that still has capital punishment ... violence begets violence ... it's a vicious cycle ...
I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people
bingo ...
it's a cultural thing ... is it any wonder that a country that spends the most on arms worldwide and is involved in the most conflicts has a gun problem? ...
i mean ... you watch tv at night and you can see people getting shot up but you can't see a female breast ... it's a place that glorifies violence to a degree ... the old wild west, cowboy mentality ... it's a country that deems it so important that its part of their constitution ...
it's a country that still has capital punishment ... violence begets violence ... it's a vicious cycle ...
Yes, its clearly this simple... :roll:
I watched alot of violent cartoons growing up (x-men, heman, TMNT, Hulk, Star Wars, etc) I also played with toy guns, knives, martial arts wepons, etc... Its amazing that I havent killed anybody yet.
Sure, but not to the levels at which you were implying.
What is your suggestion to lower the gun deaths here in the US?
Are you asking me? I didn't imply any statistics.
What would I do? End swap meet sales and gun show sales of guns. Require 1 month waiting period after application for a firearm license that includes an extensive background check. Require a practical test to receive a license to have a gun. And make all penalties for failure to comply with the new laws extremely harsh. But that is off the top of my head. Oh, and limited the types of firearms that can be used legal greater than it already is.
this is a good start. i would also suggest psychological testing, like a questionnaire or something to look for things like aggressive tendencies, violent tendencies, depression, antisocial behavior and disqualify those demonstrating these tendencies from purchasing and carrying guns.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Yes, its clearly this simple... :roll:
I watched alot of violent cartoons growing up (x-men, heman, TMNT, Hulk, Star Wars, etc) I also played with toy guns, knives, martial arts wepons, etc... Its amazing that I havent killed anybody yet.
no ... but do you have issues with using violence to resolve issues?
Sure, but not to the levels at which you were implying.
What is your suggestion to lower the gun deaths here in the US?
Are you asking me? I didn't imply any statistics.
What would I do? End swap meet sales and gun show sales of guns. Require 1 month waiting period after application for a firearm license that includes an extensive background check. Require a practical test to receive a license to have a gun. And make all penalties for failure to comply with the new laws extremely harsh. But that is off the top of my head. Oh, and limited the types of firearms that can be used legal greater than it already is.
this is a good start. i would also suggest psychological testing, like a questionnaire or something to look for things like aggressive tendencies, violent tendencies, depression, antisocial behavior and disqualify those demonstrating these tendencies from purchasing and carrying guns.
I agree with both of you. And especially limiting the types of firearms that can be purchased. I thought it was also painfully obvious after the AZ shootings that a reduction in magazine limits could've saved lives that day (and in many many other circumstances where he shooter is immobilized while reloading).
I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people
bingo ...
it's a cultural thing ... is it any wonder that a country that spends the most on arms worldwide and is involved in the most conflicts has a gun problem? ...
i mean ... you watch tv at night and you can see people getting shot up but you can't see a female breast ... it's a place that glorifies violence to a degree ... the old wild west, cowboy mentality ... it's a country that deems it so important that its part of their constitution ...
it's a country that still has capital punishment ... violence begets violence ... it's a vicious cycle ...
Yes, its clearly this simple... :roll:
I watched alot of violent cartoons growing up (x-men, heman, TMNT, Hulk, Star Wars, etc) I also played with toy guns, knives, martial arts wepons, etc... Its amazing that I havent killed anybody yet.
no its not that simple but you can't deny the fact that the American culture is one of violence. Many Americans will complain about a women breast being shown (i.e. Janet Jackson in the Superbowl) than seeing a gun on a TV show.
Like i said before Canada also has a lot of guns but no where close to the gun violence that America has. how is that possible. how does it get to the point where Americans are OK with using their guns to kill people.
You want me to post statistics of something I think doesn't happen? I'm asking you where you get this information that every other week there is a shootout. I think the burden of doubt lies on you to prove this.
In 2005 there were 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States.
There are 365 days in the year.
Do the math.
Just to clairify things a bit a homicide and a murder is not the same thing. Any time somone dies as the result of someone else it is considered a homicide. So while I agree that number is high it would also include things like hunting accidents and self-defense shootings.
Meth is illegal...people still obtain meth and kill themselves and their children on a daily basis. I fail to see how making guns illegal is going to prevent the wrong people from getting their hands on them. Maybe we should look into the motivation for these crimes a little more...decrease bullying, take a stance against violent media that glamorizes killing, watch your kids and make sure they're not out torturing the neighbor's cat, etc... I actually believe that there should be more guns in schools in the hands of responsible adults that can decrease body counts if some dumb fuck decides to come in and try killing our kids...
who is going to decide who is a responsible adult? Arizona has a law allowing guns to be concealed and did that do anything to stop that person from shooting people? that is the problem with this train of thought.
we have tried to decrease gun violence by allowing more people to have weapons but that has not help so at what point do we say maybe lets try the other option of having less guns.
why the hell do we need automatic weapons? why do we need Ak-47 with multi magazines for shooting?
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i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.
i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.
i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
the thing is ... why are there so many other countries that live a similar standard of living, etc ... and no one owns a gun (relatively speaking)? ... why is it so many other societies can function without the safety net of a firearm?
i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.
i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
I understand what you are saying here but i think there is a difference between having a car and owning a gun., the difference is that when i gun is used there is a greater chance that someone is going to get hurt. a gun is designed for one reason and that is for shooting things depending on what you shoot at. a car main person is to drive from 1 place to another so while yes some people may hurt others while driving that is not the main reason people use them.
secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
i've had a gun for years. never cocked it outside of a gun range. it sits in a safe at home. i don't like having it but i don't like not having it because of my neighborhood.
i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
I understand what you are saying here but i think there is a difference between having a car and owning a gun., the difference is that when i gun is used there is a greater chance that someone is going to get hurt. a gun is designed for one reason and that is for shooting things depending on what you shoot at. a car main person is to drive from 1 place to another so while yes some people may hurt others while driving that is not the main reason people use them.
secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
yea i know it was a stretch. i wish no one had/needed a gun.
violence in general is awful. just friday a friend was stabbed and killed at a very friendly bar i frequent. they have freaking 80's night and the dude got killed. knife/gun...awful all around
secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. ... you can possess semi-automatic versions.
secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. ... you can possess semi-automatic versions.
sorry i meant semi-automatic. I don't see why they should be sold.
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What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.
Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.
Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.
Instead if finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.
Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
did you see the conspirator? ... or at least know of the story behind the film?
the constitution has been shat on right from the get-go
What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.
Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.
Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
I agree that we have to look at the other social factors but to say that a device whose sole purpose is to shoot things to either hurt and kill is not a part of that problem is a joke. I have said in this tread that you must also look at the mentality of American and why they have this violent mentality. Other countries have weapons too but you don't see the gun violence that you see in America. like i said earlier, Canada has just as many weapons as American but no where the same amount of gun violence. what is the differences between American and Canada?
What many of you fail to grasp in your blind hatred for a device is that the moment guns are banned the entire Constitution is up for grabs.
Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.
Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
Oh come on. I'm not blaming a device. I'm always blaming the person, but I would prefer to make it harder for those crazy assholes to get a weapon that is capable of killing lots of people in little time.
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So make checks in order to do so. Don't make laws that keep people like me from purchasing something. The nutjobs are a tiny fraction of the law abiding citizens.
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what is the differences between American and Canada?
East L.A., South side of Chicago, Detroit, Houston, parts of NYC, inner city poverty, poor federal education system (which should be abolished), Mexican drug cartels that spill into the US that are also supplied arms from our very own government... shall I go on?
what is the differences between American and Canada?
East L.A., South side of Chicago, Detroit, Houston, parts of NYC, inner city poverty, poor federal education system (which should be abolished), Mexican drug cartels that spill into the US that are also supplied arms from our very own government... shall I go on?
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I know it's fashionable to dsilike Michael Moore, but I don't think we should overlook the fact that it did a great deal for Documentary film making worldwide, and that it won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, the Independent Spirit Award for Best Documentary Feature, a special 55th Anniversary Prize at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival[2] and the César Award for Best Foreign Film.
I don't think it just about owning guns, its about a mentality that people have. Canada has almost the same amount of guns per capital as the America but our death tole is less. why? While i agree that limiting guns is a part of the answer we also have to look at the peopel owing these guns and ask ourselves why they use them more ofter to kill other people
It's also ok to not like Michael Moore and his version of what a documentary is. I've seen most of his. Like Roger and Me. Disliked the rest.
It did highlight the documentary field to more people...but you could argue that it's a bad thing it was his version of what it is. I just don't like his style nor his pompous attitude, regardless of what the topic is...He doesn't generate discussion by showing facts, he manipulates situations to try and prove his preconceived point of view.
All that aside, I agree with his belief we need better gun control.
Fair enough.
bingo ...
it's a cultural thing ... is it any wonder that a country that spends the most on arms worldwide and is involved in the most conflicts has a gun problem? ...
i mean ... you watch tv at night and you can see people getting shot up but you can't see a female breast ... it's a place that glorifies violence to a degree ... the old wild west, cowboy mentality ... it's a country that deems it so important that its part of their constitution ...
it's a country that still has capital punishment ... violence begets violence ... it's a vicious cycle ...
I watched alot of violent cartoons growing up (x-men, heman, TMNT, Hulk, Star Wars, etc) I also played with toy guns, knives, martial arts wepons, etc... Its amazing that I havent killed anybody yet.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
no ... but do you have issues with using violence to resolve issues?
I agree with both of you. And especially limiting the types of firearms that can be purchased. I thought it was also painfully obvious after the AZ shootings that a reduction in magazine limits could've saved lives that day (and in many many other circumstances where he shooter is immobilized while reloading).
no its not that simple but you can't deny the fact that the American culture is one of violence. Many Americans will complain about a women breast being shown (i.e. Janet Jackson in the Superbowl) than seeing a gun on a TV show.
Like i said before Canada also has a lot of guns but no where close to the gun violence that America has. how is that possible. how does it get to the point where Americans are OK with using their guns to kill people.
Just to clairify things a bit a homicide and a murder is not the same thing. Any time somone dies as the result of someone else it is considered a homicide. So while I agree that number is high it would also include things like hunting accidents and self-defense shootings.
who is going to decide who is a responsible adult? Arizona has a law allowing guns to be concealed and did that do anything to stop that person from shooting people? that is the problem with this train of thought.
we have tried to decrease gun violence by allowing more people to have weapons but that has not help so at what point do we say maybe lets try the other option of having less guns.
why the hell do we need automatic weapons? why do we need Ak-47 with multi magazines for shooting?
yeah ... conflict is good for business ... :(
i know a lot of people with guns and some of them are complete morons that are dying to use them. it sucks..
i also know people that can't drive and are probably going to hurt someone one day but no one is taking that right away either. just the way it is
the thing is ... why are there so many other countries that live a similar standard of living, etc ... and no one owns a gun (relatively speaking)? ... why is it so many other societies can function without the safety net of a firearm?
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I understand what you are saying here but i think there is a difference between having a car and owning a gun., the difference is that when i gun is used there is a greater chance that someone is going to get hurt. a gun is designed for one reason and that is for shooting things depending on what you shoot at. a car main person is to drive from 1 place to another so while yes some people may hurt others while driving that is not the main reason people use them.
secondly, America and most countries prohibit certain cars from being driven on the road so why can't we at least decide to take certain weapons off the streets such as automatic weapons that have no reason to exist.
yea i know it was a stretch. i wish no one had/needed a gun.
violence in general is awful. just friday a friend was stabbed and killed at a very friendly bar i frequent. they have freaking 80's night and the dude got killed. knife/gun...awful all around
sorry i meant semi-automatic. I don't see why they should be sold.
Instead of finding the real reason behind violence (poor living situations/gangs/mental illness/tv programming) you blame a device because it is easy to focus your blame.
Stop taking the easy way out, stop letting personal emotions cloud your vision.
did you see the conspirator? ... or at least know of the story behind the film?
the constitution has been shat on right from the get-go
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I agree that we have to look at the other social factors but to say that a device whose sole purpose is to shoot things to either hurt and kill is not a part of that problem is a joke. I have said in this tread that you must also look at the mentality of American and why they have this violent mentality. Other countries have weapons too but you don't see the gun violence that you see in America. like i said earlier, Canada has just as many weapons as American but no where the same amount of gun violence. what is the differences between American and Canada?
Oh come on. I'm not blaming a device. I'm always blaming the person, but I would prefer to make it harder for those crazy assholes to get a weapon that is capable of killing lots of people in little time.
East L.A., South side of Chicago, Detroit, Houston, parts of NYC, inner city poverty, poor federal education system (which should be abolished), Mexican drug cartels that spill into the US that are also supplied arms from our very own government... shall I go on?
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