24 years jail for defending your country....

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

Same kind of stories, same sadness in the end.
!

always the same in the end..you are so right Rita

CROJAM95

redrock wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.

... any 'barbarian', not just the ones we consider 'worse' or the ones we don't want to consider as such because of personal ties to the nationality/group.

We all seem to have personal sad and traumatic stories. From this conflict, I have some from the Croat, Bosnian, Serb and Kosovan side. Same kind of stories, same sadness in the end.

Edit: my quoting going all wrong!

The international community fucked up this conflict royally...The US(My country) sat under Bush Sr not wanting to get involved. But he was more than happy to assist Kuwait around that time....I wonder why???? If someone comes to your town not playing by the rules of engagement....its time to take off the white gloves and take care of business. If the Croats stayed put....things would be different now

notforconsumption

CROJAM95 wrote:

redrock wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.

... any 'barbarian', not just the ones we consider 'worse' or the ones we don't want to consider as such because of personal ties to the nationality/group.

We all seem to have personal sad and traumatic stories. From this conflict, I have some from the Croat, Bosnian, Serb and Kosovan side. Same kind of stories, same sadness in the end.

Edit: my quoting going all wrong!

The international community fucked up this conflict royally...The US(My country) sat under Bush Sr not wanting to get involved. But he was more than happy to assist Kuwait around that time....I wonder why???? If someone comes to your town not playing by the rules of engagement....its time to take off the white gloves and take care of business. If the Croats stayed put....things would be different now

Actually...I don't know when it was more "fucked up"...before or after the "international community's" intervention!

CROJAM95

^ I know what you mean...I was 10 or 11 in the early 90's. I went with my parents to the UN as a sign of solidarity with the those looking for a peaceful solution.What I meant was...its funny what a country like the US(World Police) sees as an oppurtunity to help. It usually has oil in that country.

Bush and Baker etc. didnt want to set foot in a civil war. Yet Jr. and his boys act like potential for a Iraqi civil war was never there...yea right. Sorry to compare 2 different conflicts, but I feel its relative to the big picture

Libya is a civil war(oil) we are there, involved. How bout Darfur...I guess its not a place we can be for 50+ years with military bases and no bid contracts

dimitrispearljam

CROJAM95 wrote:

redrock wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.

... any 'barbarian', not just the ones we consider 'worse' or the ones we don't want to consider as such because of personal ties to the nationality/group.

We all seem to have personal sad and traumatic stories. From this conflict, I have some from the Croat, Bosnian, Serb and Kosovan side. Same kind of stories, same sadness in the end.

Edit: my quoting going all wrong!

The international community fucked up this conflict royally...The US(My country) sat under Bush Sr not wanting to get involved. But he was more than happy to assist Kuwait around that time....I wonder why???? If someone comes to your town not playing by the rules of engagement....its time to take off the white gloves and take care of business. If the Croats stayed put....things would be different now

croatians dont have oil for US to get involved..same as Cyprus and so many other countries that have bananas,oranges instead of oil..

notforconsumption

dimitrispearljam wrote:

croatians dont have oil for US to get involved..same as Cyprus and so many other countries that have bananas,oranges instead of oil..

Well there are British military bases in Cyprus so the US are served well! But we do have really good oil (Olive oil that is

notforconsumption

CROJAM95 wrote:

^ I know what you mean...I was 10 or 11 in the early 90's. I went with my parents to the UN as a sign of solidarity with the those looking for a peaceful solution.What I meant was...its funny what a country like the US(World Police) sees as an oppurtunity to help. It usually has oil in that country.

Bush and Baker etc. didnt want to set foot in a civil war. Yet Jr. and his boys act like potential for a Iraqi civil war was never there...yea right. Sorry to compare 2 different conflicts, but I feel its relative to the big picture

Libya is a civil war(oil) we are there, involved. How bout Darfur...I guess its not a place we can be for 50+ years with military bases and no bid contracts

Right!
I think the greatest example of recent history was Rwanda!

dimitrispearljam

notforconsumption wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

croatians dont have oil for US to get involved..same as Cyprus and so many other countries that have bananas,oranges instead of oil..

Well there are British military bases in Cyprus so the US are served well! But we do have really good oil (Olive oil that is

and a wall in the middle of the capital as well,that cut the city in 2 parts..and if u get close you get shooted :(

notforconsumption

dimitrispearljam wrote:

notforconsumption wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

croatians dont have oil for US to get involved..same as Cyprus and so many other countries that have bananas,oranges instead of oil..

Well there are British military bases in Cyprus so the US are served well! But we do have really good oil (Olive oil that is

and a wall in the middle of the capital as well,that cut the city in 2 parts..and if u get close you get shooted :(

That wall was turned down since 2008 !! But u have to show your passport to go/ come back from the other side!

Anyway we are getting off topic!

dimitrispearljam

notforconsumption wrote:

That wall was turned down since 2008 !! !

yeah,,for the media..

notforconsumption

dimitrispearljam wrote:

notforconsumption wrote:

That wall was turned down since 2008 !! !

yeah,,for the media..

I understand where you are coming from but not many Cypriots are as sentimental as you these days and the truth is that things have changed after the 2003-2004 events.

ONCE DEVIDED

Croats living in serbia were genocided
Serbians living in Croatia the same thing
very wrong on all sides
Mothers are mothers
fathers are fathers
son and daughters are sons and daughters
where ever they come from everyone is the same. WE JUST PUT STUPID FUCKING LABELS ON EACH OTHER

dimitrispearljam

notforconsumption wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

notforconsumption wrote:

That wall was turned down since 2008 !! !

yeah,,for the media..

I understand where you are coming from but not many Cypriots are as sentimental as you these days and the truth is that things have changed after the 2003-2004 events.

maybe you talk with Cypriots are in college...i live there 2 years...i wish that i was sentimental...but the truth is different..cos media dont show the pain,that doesnt mean that isnt there...and its a fuckin European country...but has oranges and bananas..not oil..if was oil..now will be a free country..cos now,,,its NOT

dimitrispearljam

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Croats living in serbia were genocided
Serbians living in Croatia the same thing
very wrong on all sides
Mothers are mothers
fathers are fathers
son and daughters are sons and daughters
where ever they come from everyone is the same. WE JUST PUT STUPID FUCKING LABELS ON EACH OTHER

exactly

Thoughts_Arrive

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Croats living in serbia were genocided
Serbians living in Croatia the same thing
very wrong on all sides
Mothers are mothers
fathers are fathers
son and daughters are sons and daughters
where ever they come from everyone is the same. WE JUST PUT STUPID FUCKING LABELS ON EACH OTHER

What genocide did we commit?!!!! :x
Defending our country which was being invaded? :x
According to your interpretation any country that defends itself is committing genocide. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATrKdsnc ... ture=share

Watch all 6 parts, A to F then get back to me once you have learned a bit before labeling my people guilty of genocide, the same goes for all you others that are uneducated on what happened, don't let those idiots at the Hague tell you what to believe. :roll:

Thoughts_Arrive

The man was such a genocidal monster that Pope John Paul met with him.....

notforconsumption

dimitrispearljam wrote:

maybe you talk with Cypriots are in college...i live there 2 years...i wish that i was sentimental...but the truth is different..cos media dont show the pain,that doesnt mean that isnt there...and its a fuckin European country...but has oranges and bananas..not oil..if was oil..now will be a free country..cos now,,,its NOT

Όχι βρε Δημήτρη ....probably a misunderstanding but I am from Cyprus & speak from personal experience!

dimitrispearljam

notforconsumption wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

maybe you talk with Cypriots are in college...i live there 2 years...i wish that i was sentimental...but the truth is different..cos media dont show the pain,that doesnt mean that isnt there...and its a fuckin European country...but has oranges and bananas..not oil..if was oil..now will be a free country..cos now,,,its NOT

Όχι βρε Δημήτρη ....probably a misunderstanding but I am from Cyprus & speak from personal experience!

ok.got it,πατριδα

redrock

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

The man was such a genocidal monster that Pope John Paul met with him.....

The pope has audiences with lots of 'heads of states' and others. Peres... Netanyahu... Also looking at the history of the Vatican (closest to us WWII), it's VERY murky (remember 'ratlines, Pavelic'?). An audience with the Pope really doesn't mean anything.

Look, it would seem you have a very personal 'tie' to this subject. But one needs to be a bit more objective... a crime is a crime - whoever commits it. Once needs to be held accountable.

Thoughts_Arrive

redrock wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

The man was such a genocidal monster that Pope John Paul met with him.....

The pope has audiences with lots of 'heads of states' and others. Peres... Netanyahu... Also looking at the history of the Vatican (closest to us WWII), it's VERY murky (remember 'ratlines, Pavelic'?). An audience with the Pope really doesn't mean anything.

Look, it would seem you have a very personal 'tie' to this subject. But one needs to be a bit more objective... a crime is a crime - whoever commits it. Once needs to be held accountable.

I don't think the Pope would want to meet a criminal.
Could you please tell me what crime Gotovina committed?
Defending his homeland from forces that invaded, raped and murdered many innocent Croatian civilians?
And all under the watch of the USA, they helped Croatia prepare for the offensive and they kept a watchful eye as it happened.
Please do not let the media tell you what to believe, watch that documentary I posted earlier then get back to me.
And yes I do have a very personal tie to this subject.