24 years jail for defending your country....

Thoughts_Arrive
Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
edited April 2011 in A Moving Train
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13092438

Bunch of rats!
Motherf***ers!

:x :x :x :x
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    fair penalty as was for milocevic etc......
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fair penalty as was for milocevic etc......

    Fair?
    How could you compare him to Milosevic?!
    He didn't lead an army to invade another country!!!
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fair penalty as was for milocevic etc......

    Fair?
    How could you compare him to Milosevic?!
    He didn't lead an army to invade another country!!!
    ha ha..you learn the history from one side....
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I no longer wish to communicate with you.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fair penalty as was for milocevic etc......

    Fair?
    How could you compare him to Milosevic?!
    He didn't lead an army to invade another country!!!

    There is defending your country and there is commiting atrocities that go beyond 'terms of engagement'. They are responsible for carrying out these atrocities (same kind as carried out by Milosevic or a number of others being tried for war crimes).

    Whatever 'side' one may be on....
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I no longer wish to communicate with you.
    fair enough..its your wish.we dont talk in the phone to hung up the telephone...but you should try to learn the truth...not from bbc.....its brithish..they bomb the serbians..Balkans is a tough area..isnt black and white..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    redrock wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    fair penalty as was for milocevic etc......

    Fair?
    How could you compare him to Milosevic?!
    He didn't lead an army to invade another country!!!

    There is defending your country and there is commiting atrocities that go beyond 'terms of engagement'. They are responsible for carrying out these atrocities (same kind as carried out by Milosevic or a number of others being tried for war crimes).

    Whatever 'side' one may be on....

    The Serbs invaded, occupied homes, all he did was defend our country and take back what is ours.
    Wouldn't you do the same if your country was invaded?
    The pricks placed land mines everywhere, my cousin died because of a mine.
    All these accusations are shit.

    Wasn't operation storm backed by the USA????
    YES IT WAS!
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I no longer wish to communicate with you.
    fair enough..its your wish.we dont talk in the phone to hung up the telephone...but you should try to learn the truth...not from bbc.....its brithish..they bomb the serbians..Balkans is a tough area..isnt black and white..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E2%8 ... _relations

    Why am I not surprised dimitris......
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    I no longer wish to communicate with you.
    fair enough..its your wish.we dont talk in the phone to hung up the telephone...but you should try to learn the truth...not from bbc.....its brithish..they bomb the serbians..Balkans is a tough area..isnt black and white..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E2%8 ... _relations

    Why am I not surprised dimitris......
    i like women talking spanish,,is the only thing that im weak..the rest countries is the same for me...
    i live so close in serbia and croatia...let me know a little more for my area..i dont read in bbc about history and what happen to this war..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2011
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Fair?
    How could you compare him to Milosevic?!
    He didn't lead an army to invade another country!!!

    There is defending your country and there is commiting atrocities that go beyond 'terms of engagement'. They are responsible for carrying out these atrocities (same kind as carried out by Milosevic or a number of others being tried for war crimes).

    Whatever 'side' one may be on....

    The Serbs invaded, occupied homes, all he did was defend our country and take back what is ours.
    Wouldn't you do the same if your country was invaded?
    The pricks placed land mines everywhere, my cousin died because of a mine.
    All these accusations are shit.

    And that is very sad. But on the flip side, I work with a Serb whose whole family has been killed by the croats (parents/brother/wife/2 kids) and he was held in a 'camp' for month (no reason - not political, not a combattant). His family/ancestors had been living in Krajina for generations. For them, it was their land as well.

    War is bad - whatever side one is on
    Thoughts_Arrive wrote:
    Wasn't operation storm backed by the USA????
    YES IT WAS!
    Not really a reference, is it?

    Again, whatever side one comes from, if one commits atrocities, one needs to be accountable for them. Full stop.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    okay......
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    So if someone invaded and occupies and don't want to leave, what do you do, just accept it?
    We're not the ones who planted land mines and raped, murdered.
    Take a look at what happened in Srebrenica!

    And Red Rock, yes it was a reference, the USA backed Operation Storm.
    So did Clinton break the rules?
    If the USA were okay with us taking back what is ours then why are we now getting punished?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2011
    Sorry - when I meant is it a reference, I meant like 'good reference'. Does the US backing make it all OK? No, as we have seen a number of times.

    I am not saying that one needs to take things lying down and turn the other cheek.

    And yes, Srebrenica - an atrocity. Amongst others committed by ALL parties (eg against the Serbs in Bosanska Posavina). That's what I'm trying to say. Of course one must defend one's country/liberties, etc. but this is not at the 'detriment' of civilians. Murder, ethnic cleansing, rounding up innocent people, etc.


    As you are aware, former Yugoslavia had three different 'people' living together. Historically, there have always been 'issues', whether based on ethniticy, religion, etc. Not one of these three main groups can claim to be completely 'innocent'....

    War mean pain for ALL involved.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    All I can say is we never invaded another country and committed crimes on foreign soil.
    Think of my people what you will.
    Enough said.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    It's not about what one thinks about your people. It's about the few who have committed war crimes and need to be punished. This does not reflect on a whole population, whatever the nationality/group. This is how hate between groups is perpetuated - not a good thing.

    Crimes were committed by all, whether on 'different' groups on 'own' soil or on foreign soil. The result is the same.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    blood,death ,pain has no color and nationality...its sad....Croatians is good people,i have actually alot of friends..the problem in war is people has the gun in their hand.wear uniform and find enemy weak do horrible things..from both sides..again..Balkans is the most tough area..cos has the best stratigic place in the planet...all want to take advantage..thats why yogoslavia isnt a unite country anymore..thats why F.Y.R.O.M.is a country from nowhere..wait to see what will happen when the oil from Aegean sea will be up..etc..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • notforconsumption
    notforconsumption Posts: 116
    I agree that the crimes committed by the Serbian military/ paramilitary were by far the worst but there was also quite a big number of innocent Serbian victims.

    Karadžić still thinks that the massacres were "justified" !!!

    I think that there is no way to "justify" the torture and killing of thousands and thousands of innocent people by no one.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,985
    dimitris your dead wrong buddy...I love the energy you bring to the forums....but i know all too well. My cousin who is now married with a child of her own, was a few years old running from bomb shelter to bomb shelter cause the Serbs bombed the shit out of the Dubrovnik area......There is war and then there is genocide. Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2011
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.
    ... any 'barbarian', not just the ones we consider 'worse' or the ones we don't want to consider as such because of personal ties to the nationality/group.

    We all seem to have personal sad and traumatic stories. From this conflict, I have some from the Croat, Bosnian, Serb and Kosovan side. Same kind of stories, same sadness in the end.

    Edit: my quoting going all wrong!
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    dimitris your dead wrong buddy...I love the energy you bring to the forums....but i know all too well. My cousin who is now married with a child of her own, was a few years old running from bomb shelter to bomb shelter cause the Serbs bombed the shit out of the Dubrovnik area......There is war and then there is genocide. Barbarians have no seat at the global community table imo.
    yes,but from both sides..thats im saying..in that war ,was croatians,serbs,montenegrians,Bosnians,slovenians,albanians,kosovians victims... etc..
    its kinda civil war...the worst of wars..sad..alot of people could nt live this bad sitiuation came in Greece..
    believe me...i see it alot..people with guns,with power unfortuantly use alot of times for do bad things..wasnt Milocevic the only problem in the area..there are alot of milocevic,in all army,goverments..
    exable..Kosovo..Bosnia.what a mess..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”

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