i tried very hard to like him, but i just can not stand him. we have several of his live albums on our mp3 player here at work and it just annoys me for some reason. there is just something about him that just irks me. maybe it is his backup singers, or maybe it is just the downright cheesiness and more importantly happiness of some of the lyrics...
"how sweet it is to be loved by you".....really??? come on man.... :twisted:
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i tried very hard to like him, but i just can not stand him. we have several of his live albums on our mp3 player here at work and it just annoys me for some reason. there is just something about him that just irks me. maybe it is his backup singers, or maybe it is just the downright cheesiness and more importantly happiness of some of the lyrics...
"how sweet it is to be loved by you".....really??? come on man.... :twisted:
Fire And Rain is one of the greatest songs ever written, IMO.
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i tried very hard to like him, but i just can not stand him. we have several of his live albums on our mp3 player here at work and it just annoys me for some reason. there is just something about him that just irks me. maybe it is his backup singers, or maybe it is just the downright cheesiness and more importantly happiness of some of the lyrics...
"how sweet it is to be loved by you".....really??? come on man.... :twisted:
I'm not a fan but How Sweet It Is to Be Loved by You is an old R&B tune that he covered, not one of his own compositions. Kind of like him covering Wonderful World.
I saw him live about 25 years ago when we were invited to a show by friends of ours who were HUGE fans. His music isn't that interesting to me but I will say that he worked very hard as a performer, at least at that show.
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I like all that classic rock...there was more great rock 'n' roll done in the 60's and 70's than been done in the 3 decade's that have followed, imo.
I disagree. I like some old bands, but alot of that older stuff isn't really classic. There's bands from back then that are untouchable, but overall modern music has so much more to offer.
I'd ask the OP what classic bands/artists they do like?!
Personally I don't care for much by the Beatles, but the Stones, Zeppelin, The Clash, Dylan?! Like it or not, many of todays bands simply wouldn't exist if it wasn't for a lot of those bands.
that doesn't mean fans should like those bands, now does it? one example is the who had a huge influence on the ramones, sex pistols and clash and pearl jam. should fans of those bands like the who just cause of the huge influence they had on said bands?
Well, I've always paid attention to the music that influenced bands I like, and it's opened up a number of doors for me. IMO, you have to know where your favorite music came from in order to truly appreciate it. On the other hand, knowing where my favorite music came from led to an almost unmanageably large music collection for me, with tunes from the 20's up to the present day.
Well, I've always paid attention to the music that influenced bands I like, and it's opened up a number of doors for me. IMO, you have to know where your favorite music came from in order to truly appreciate it. On the other hand, knowing where my favorite music came from led to an almost unmanageably large music collection for me, with tunes from the 20's up to the present day.
This.
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i tried very hard to like him, but i just can not stand him. we have several of his live albums on our mp3 player here at work and it just annoys me for some reason. there is just something about him that just irks me. maybe it is his backup singers, or maybe it is just the downright cheesiness and more importantly happiness of some of the lyrics...
"how sweet it is to be loved by you".....really??? come on man.... :twisted:
Fire And Rain is one of the greatest songs ever written, IMO.
that is far and away his best song IMO. but the way i see it, anyone who has any talent has one great song in them. otherwise their occupation would not be "singer/songwriter".
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Makes me embarrassed to be a Pearl Jam fan. :oops:
Seriously.
I'm stunned at the vile directed towards Led Zeppelin, for fans of a hard rock band. The innovation, creativity and diversity of their music, along with the amazing musical talent, are unmatched in music history.
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Makes me embarrassed to be a Pearl Jam fan. :oops:
Seriously.
I'm stunned at the vile directed towards Led Zeppelin, for fans of a hard rock band. The innovation, creativity and diversity of their music, along with the amazing musical talent, are unmatched in music history.
you can't deny the impact that led zep had on the world with regard to advancing the genre of heavy blues tinged arena rock. i do know that jimmy page single handedly inspired many, many guitarists in the subsequent generation(s) to pick up a gibson les paul standard and a marshall stack as their weapons of choice when playing rock music. with perhaps the exception of jimi hendrix, there are more guitarists who will list jimmy page as the main influence for making them want to pick up a guitar in the first place. and there is something to be said for that.
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Makes me embarrassed to be a Pearl Jam fan. :oops:
Seriously.
I'm stunned at the vile directed towards Led Zeppelin, for fans of a hard rock band. The innovation, creativity and diversity of their music, along with the amazing musical talent, are unmatched in music history.
you can't deny the impact that led zep had on the world with regard to advancing the genre of heavy blues tinged arena rock. i do know that jimmy page single handedly inspired many, many guitarists in the subsequent generation(s) to pick up a gibson les paul standard and a marshall stack as their weapons of choice when playing rock music. with perhaps the exception of jimi hendrix, there are more guitarists who will list jimmy page as the main influence for making them want to pick up a guitar in the first place. and there is something to be said for that.
And I don't think there's anybody out there today who can match the solos that Jimmy Page did. Such as Since I've Been Loving You, Ten Years Gone, Achilles Last Stand... (sorry Mike)
I mean, everyone's got an opinion, but hating Led Zeppelin when you're supposed to be a rock & roll fan is pretty out there, I think.
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I mean, everyone's got an opinion, but hating Led Zeppelin when you're supposed to be a rock & roll fan is pretty out there, I think.
yeah that is kinda like a rap fan hating on Biggie.
or a country fan hating on willie.
or a punk fan hating on the sex pistols or black flag.
:roll:
Isn't this the forum where I'm always finding PJ fans who hate The Who because they think they "have" to like them since Ed considers them a big influence?
While I don't "hate" Led Zeppelin, I'll repeat that I'm no fan. Yes, they've done some great songs. They've also done stuff I don't care for. It probably didn't help that the stuff I liked least was played endlessly on the radio in the 70s and 80s.
It's amusing to me to read posts dissing The Who, certainly a more groundbreaking and influential band than Zep over the long haul, but I don't get all sanctimonious about it. So some people think PJ's covers of Who songs are superior to the originals. Well, those are the versions that they're familiar with so of course they like them better. Like a lot of early British bands, The Who cited Eddie Cochran as an influence. I can see why but I still like their version of Summertime Blues better: http://youtu.be/MeWC59FJqGc http://youtu.be/v5gBaCusDeY
Suppose I was a Doors fan. Jim Morrison liked Elvis. Does that mean I have to? All it tells me is that he had pretty broad taste, not that I have to go buy a bunch of Elvis albums.
You say if I don't like Zep I'm not a real rock fan? Wow, you made me cry. :P
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You say if I don't like Zep I'm not a real rock fan? Wow, you made me cry. :P
I think it was others who said they hated Zep, although I can't remember. Not liking is, well, it's still strange, I have to say. But that's how it goes.
The Who are more groundbreaking and influential? Well Keith Moon did come up with the name Led Zeppelin. And The Who did invent the rock opera. Otherwise I can't see how this is the case. You've got Tommy, Live at Leeds & Who's Next (and maybe Quadrophenia), which I would say still don't match up in total to any 4 of Led Zep's first 7 albums. All their other albums seem to be a few good songs and some filler. The real early albums are mediocre Beatles wanna-be albums. Who Are You is blatant pandering to the disco era. I don't know - it's an interesting argument, but pound for pound I'll take Led Zep any day of the week.
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Cream???
Dunno. For me, this is Cream: Twelve-bar blues retreads that sound like rigmarole compared to Jimi. Pseudo-operatic Jack Bruce yodelling. Peter Brown's embarrassing hippie lyrics. Ginger Baker's ego cluttering the music. Samey Clapton solos. Nah, never was a Cream fan. I can appreciate that people might feel very differently, though. It's just a matter of what satisfies the ears.
You say if I don't like Zep I'm not a real rock fan? Wow, you made me cry. :P
I think it was others who said they hated Zep, although I can't remember. Not liking is, well, it's still strange, I have to say. But that's how it goes.
The Who are more groundbreaking and influential? Well Keith Moon did come up with the name Led Zeppelin.
Yup. And Jimmy Page has said that when he was looking for a lead singer he deliberately found someone blond and good-looking like Roger Daltrey. He wasn't able to get Moon (and The Ox) to join his band but he did find another crazy ass drummer. All the better to get a record deal. People seem to forget that most musicians back then were trying to become rich rock stars, not artistes.
And The Who did invent the rock opera. Otherwise I can't see how this is the case. You've got Tommy, Live at Leeds & Who's Next (and maybe Quadrophenia), which I would say still don't match up in total to any 4 of Led Zep's first 7 albums. All their other albums seem to be a few good songs and some filler. The real early albums are mediocre Beatles wanna-be albums.
Yeah, because that's what music WAS in the 60s, AM radio-friendly tunes of under 3 minutes. The album was a new concept. Up until Rubber Soul and Revolver, albums were usually one big hit and a lot of throwaway covers. Zep came along when album-oriented rock (AOR) was becoming the thing on FM radio.
The Who were never known for their albums as much as for their live performances. In the 70s, The Who was one of the bands that EVERYBODY wanted to see because their shows were killer. On the other hand, Zep had great albums but I never went to one of their concerts. Mostly because the sentiment I heard from every person I knew who did was some variation of "Man, they really sucked!"
I've ranted plenty of Who rants on this board but when I say they were influential, I'm not talking about what they invented or their albums. I was thinking that I've read a lot of interviews and articles where bands named The Who as important influences. I just don't remember people saying they modeled their band after Led Zeppelin.
Who Are You is blatant pandering to the disco era.
:wtf:
Sorry, but this made me laugh. Blatant pandering to the disco era? How do you figure that? Who Are You is a very uneven album but one song (Sister Disco) was meant to parody disco. If they covered Gloria Gaynor or KC and the Sunshine Band maybe, but I've got to wonder how much disco have you actually suffered through if you think this is what it sounds like.
Dunno. For me, this is Cream: Twelve-bar blues retreads that sound like rigmarole compared to Jimi. Pseudo-operatic Jack Bruce yodelling. Peter Brown's embarrassing hippie lyrics. Ginger Baker's ego cluttering the music. Samey Clapton solos. Nah, never was a Cream fan. I can appreciate that people might feel very differently, though. It's just a matter of what satisfies the ears.
But people thought Pete Brown was really deep!
Great assessment. I loved them in their heyday but I don't find myself going back and listening to them anymore. I still like some of their songs although not the ones most people would probably guess. Deserted Cities of the Heart is a fave.
Well I wasn't born until 1977, but I did see Page & Plant twice and 3 members of The Who thrice, and I thought Page & Plant performances blew away The Who performances. I mean, I really like The Who, but compared to Led Zep, it's not even close.
Of course, The Who did Quadrophenia every time I saw them. Which was rather annoying by the 3rd time...
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Not really classic at all but I cannot understand any love for ben harper....he has opened for PJ at 15 shows that Ive been too and man he is so over-rated bland un-exciting beige, i could go on but i wont....please leave him on the subs bench for any more tours....
Well I wasn't born until 1977, but I did see Page & Plant twice and 3 members of The Who thrice, and I thought Page & Plant performances blew away The Who performances. I mean, I really like The Who, but compared to Led Zep, it's not even close.
Of course, The Who did Quadrophenia every time I saw them. Which was rather annoying by the 3rd time...
So I saw The Who before you were born. I always feel like such an old geezer on this board. :oops:
But I only remark on that to show that you and I are coming at this from completely different perspectives. I've been a Who fan since 67 and saw my band in their glory days. The albums are there but what really matters are the shows. In that respect I think they're like PJ.
You know these bands by their entire catalogs. I bought Led Zeppelin's first album when it came out and liked it, had many friends who were big fans, and listened to their new stuff as it was released. I'd have probably gone to see them live but I always heard the same things from people: they were sloppy and didn't give a shit. You saw Page & Plant 20 years later when they did give a shit and put on good shows.
Quad doesn't translate well live. Great album though, not my very fave but near the top of the list. Glad you got to see The Who while Thunderfingers was still around. :thumbup: He's missed.
The Who to me are what PJ seems to be for many of the members here: the band that was there for every major stage of my life. I'm always pleasantly shocked to find I'm not the only person who is such a fan. So I don't worry that they're past their prime. And if Pearl Jam lasts 40 years, I'm betting a lot of people here will feel that way too.
Hey, if you have a passion for Led Zeppelin, more power to you. I was just trying to explain that are still some people who consider themselves serious rockers who don't care for them all that much. If you and I ever meet up at a show, I'll buy you a beer.
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i tried very hard to like him, but i just can not stand him. we have several of his live albums on our mp3 player here at work and it just annoys me for some reason. there is just something about him that just irks me. maybe it is his backup singers, or maybe it is just the downright cheesiness and more importantly happiness of some of the lyrics...
"how sweet it is to be loved by you".....really??? come on man.... :twisted:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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I saw him live about 25 years ago when we were invited to a show by friends of ours who were HUGE fans. His music isn't that interesting to me but I will say that he worked very hard as a performer, at least at that show.
I disagree. I like some old bands, but alot of that older stuff isn't really classic. There's bands from back then that are untouchable, but overall modern music has so much more to offer.
Well, I've always paid attention to the music that influenced bands I like, and it's opened up a number of doors for me. IMO, you have to know where your favorite music came from in order to truly appreciate it. On the other hand, knowing where my favorite music came from led to an almost unmanageably large music collection for me, with tunes from the 20's up to the present day.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Seriously.
I'm stunned at the vile directed towards Led Zeppelin, for fans of a hard rock band. The innovation, creativity and diversity of their music, along with the amazing musical talent, are unmatched in music history.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And I don't think there's anybody out there today who can match the solos that Jimmy Page did. Such as Since I've Been Loving You, Ten Years Gone, Achilles Last Stand... (sorry Mike)
I mean, everyone's got an opinion, but hating Led Zeppelin when you're supposed to be a rock & roll fan is pretty out there, I think.
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or a country fan hating on willie.
or a punk fan hating on the sex pistols or black flag.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Isn't this the forum where I'm always finding PJ fans who hate The Who because they think they "have" to like them since Ed considers them a big influence?
While I don't "hate" Led Zeppelin, I'll repeat that I'm no fan. Yes, they've done some great songs. They've also done stuff I don't care for. It probably didn't help that the stuff I liked least was played endlessly on the radio in the 70s and 80s.
It's amusing to me to read posts dissing The Who, certainly a more groundbreaking and influential band than Zep over the long haul, but I don't get all sanctimonious about it. So some people think PJ's covers of Who songs are superior to the originals. Well, those are the versions that they're familiar with so of course they like them better. Like a lot of early British bands, The Who cited Eddie Cochran as an influence. I can see why but I still like their version of Summertime Blues better:
http://youtu.be/MeWC59FJqGc
http://youtu.be/v5gBaCusDeY
Suppose I was a Doors fan. Jim Morrison liked Elvis. Does that mean I have to? All it tells me is that he had pretty broad taste, not that I have to go buy a bunch of Elvis albums.
You say if I don't like Zep I'm not a real rock fan? Wow, you made me cry. :P
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I think it was others who said they hated Zep, although I can't remember. Not liking is, well, it's still strange, I have to say. But that's how it goes.
The Who are more groundbreaking and influential? Well Keith Moon did come up with the name Led Zeppelin. And The Who did invent the rock opera. Otherwise I can't see how this is the case. You've got Tommy, Live at Leeds & Who's Next (and maybe Quadrophenia), which I would say still don't match up in total to any 4 of Led Zep's first 7 albums. All their other albums seem to be a few good songs and some filler. The real early albums are mediocre Beatles wanna-be albums. Who Are You is blatant pandering to the disco era. I don't know - it's an interesting argument, but pound for pound I'll take Led Zep any day of the week.
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Dunno. For me, this is Cream: Twelve-bar blues retreads that sound like rigmarole compared to Jimi. Pseudo-operatic Jack Bruce yodelling. Peter Brown's embarrassing hippie lyrics. Ginger Baker's ego cluttering the music. Samey Clapton solos. Nah, never was a Cream fan. I can appreciate that people might feel very differently, though. It's just a matter of what satisfies the ears.
Yeah, because that's what music WAS in the 60s, AM radio-friendly tunes of under 3 minutes. The album was a new concept. Up until Rubber Soul and Revolver, albums were usually one big hit and a lot of throwaway covers. Zep came along when album-oriented rock (AOR) was becoming the thing on FM radio.
The Who were never known for their albums as much as for their live performances. In the 70s, The Who was one of the bands that EVERYBODY wanted to see because their shows were killer. On the other hand, Zep had great albums but I never went to one of their concerts. Mostly because the sentiment I heard from every person I knew who did was some variation of "Man, they really sucked!"
I've ranted plenty of Who rants on this board but when I say they were influential, I'm not talking about what they invented or their albums. I was thinking that I've read a lot of interviews and articles where bands named The Who as important influences. I just don't remember people saying they modeled their band after Led Zeppelin.
:wtf:
Sorry, but this made me laugh. Blatant pandering to the disco era?
To each his own. Note for note, I'll take my 70s Who over Zep day in day out.
Great assessment. I loved them in their heyday but I don't find myself going back and listening to them anymore. I still like some of their songs although not the ones most people would probably guess. Deserted Cities of the Heart is a fave.
Of course, The Who did Quadrophenia every time I saw them. Which was rather annoying by the 3rd time...
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But I only remark on that to show that you and I are coming at this from completely different perspectives. I've been a Who fan since 67 and saw my band in their glory days. The albums are there but what really matters are the shows. In that respect I think they're like PJ.
You know these bands by their entire catalogs. I bought Led Zeppelin's first album when it came out and liked it, had many friends who were big fans, and listened to their new stuff as it was released. I'd have probably gone to see them live but I always heard the same things from people: they were sloppy and didn't give a shit. You saw Page & Plant 20 years later when they did give a shit and put on good shows.
Quad doesn't translate well live. Great album though, not my very fave but near the top of the list. Glad you got to see The Who while Thunderfingers was still around. :thumbup: He's missed.
The Who to me are what PJ seems to be for many of the members here: the band that was there for every major stage of my life. I'm always pleasantly shocked to find I'm not the only person who is such a fan. So I don't worry that they're past their prime. And if Pearl Jam lasts 40 years, I'm betting a lot of people here will feel that way too.
Hey, if you have a passion for Led Zeppelin, more power to you. I was just trying to explain that are still some people who consider themselves serious rockers who don't care for them all that much. If you and I ever meet up at a show, I'll buy you a beer.