Burqa ban in france

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guy's I still don't see a real problem here, I'll admit that it is a inconvenience to the women that wear the burqa but they did leave their country to find safety or a better living elsewhere so they should abide by that country's laws.

Godfather.

True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.

This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.

'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'

BinauralJam

Digital Twilight wrote:

True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.

This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.

'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'

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ShimmyMommy

BinauralJam wrote:

Digital Twilight wrote:

True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.

This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.

'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'

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dimitrispearljam

ShimmyMommy wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Digital Twilight wrote:

True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.

This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.

'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'

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LikeAnOcean

This law is stupid.

What, are they going to arrest someone who's robbing a bank for wearing a mask?

If someone is going to do something illegal, they are going to throw the mask on and do their thing. The law isn't going to stop them.

Yeah, wearing a mask is stupid, but telling someone they can't is even dumber... In fact, laws telling people what they can and can't wear, like clothing, is stupid. Not that I want to see a bunch of naked people walking around, but it's really rather strange that its illegal to look how we evolved to be.


Stupid society.

Godfather.

Digital Twilight wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guy's I still don't see a real problem here, I'll admit that it is a inconvenience to the women that wear the burqa but they did leave their country to find safety or a better living elsewhere so they should abide by that country's laws.

Godfather.

True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.

This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.

'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'

you have used the word fear a few times now "fear mongering" but what brought about this law ?...could it be fear ? fear of what has been happening with "radical Muslims" in France and other country's. it's a shame that people can't live as they wish so they move to other places to find that comfort and with them come the bad people also and with that I mean all people that move to other country's not just a certain group
but the good people that live in these country's native or not still deserve the right to feel protected and safe.

Godfather.

Godfather.

just for the heck of it what do you think about this ?
a Chicago school has banned all home made lunches....interrupting a parents decision on how to feed their kid
I mean if they want fat unhealthy kids that's their decision and right to do so right ????

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... food-fight

Godfather.

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

you have used the word fear a few times now "fear mongering" but what brought about this law ?...could it be fear ? fear of what has been happening with "radical Muslims" in France and other country's. it's a shame that people can't live as they wish so they move to other places to find that comfort and with them come the bad people also and with that I mean all people that move to other country's not just a certain group
but the good people that live in these country's native or not still deserve the right to feel protected and safe.

Godfather.

Unfounded fear is exactly what it is. People hear that a few terrorist attacks were committed by muslims so now everyone looks to pigeon hole all muslims as terrorists or people to be looked at suspiciously. It's ridiculous and unfounded. I think these muslim women deserve to feel safe and protected as well but now they are being persecuted and frowned upon because of their choice of religion and clothing. If we were to ban clothing as a measure of 'danger' and 'something to fear or be protected from' it wouldn't be the burqa it would be the tracksuits.

All this does is give the radical muslims more leverage in taking young, men and women who are confused and fed up at being looked upon with fear and unjustified prejudice and twisting them to their own ends. This kind of action and climate helps these radicals bbury their feet in the sand further. It's racial profiling, it's wrong and always will be and this makes the situation worse not better in the slightest.

Digital Twilight

Godfather. wrote:

just for the heck of it what do you think about this ?
a Chicago school has banned all home made lunches....interrupting a parents decision on how to feed their kid
I mean if they want fat unhealthy kids that's their decision and right to do so right ????

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... food-fight

Godfather.

:crazy: I'm all for banning unhealthy junk being served by the school but if children and parents want to bring their own lunch well that's their business. I remember my school meals being awful

Would be interested to see who profits from all the children eating in the cafeteria

ShimmyMommy

Digital Twilight wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

just for the heck of it what do you think about this ?
a Chicago school has banned all home made lunches....interrupting a parents decision on how to feed their kid
I mean if they want fat unhealthy kids that's their decision and right to do so right ????

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... food-fight

Godfather.

:crazy: I'm all for banning unhealthy junk being served by the school but if children and parents want to bring their own lunch well that's their business. I remember my school meals being awful

Would be interested to see who profits from all the children eating in the cafeteria

I think they discuss the profiteering in the doc Food Inc., I am not sure...I have seen many docs on the food industry and they are blending into each other for as they cross-reference the same research. Time to sharpen my mind again. :oops:

Smellyman

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guy's I still don't see a real problem here, I'll admit that it is a inconvenience to the women that wear the burqa but they did leave their country to find safety or a better living elsewhere so they should abide by that country's laws.

Godfather.

or they could be French.....

ShimmyMommy

Smellyman wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guy's I still don't see a real problem here, I'll admit that it is a inconvenience to the women that wear the burqa but they did leave their country to find safety or a better living elsewhere so they should abide by that country's laws.

Godfather.

or they could be French.....

ouch :oops:

guypjfreak

thanks for your views im glad this didn't course any arguments even some humor .

wolfamongwolves

Whatever people's different views on whether hijab is a personal choice of religious expression, or representative of oppression of women, (and it seems that even Muslims - and particularly Muslim women - are divided on that), I think that an unquestioning blanket ban is a short-sighted and unconstructive solution that can only lead to a greater sense of division and victimisation, whether real or imagined. You cannot apply a generic response to a deeply nuanced issue, deliberately, wilfully and needlessly ignoring the sensitivities of the matter, and expect it to be effective. Forcing your beliefs and values on others can never be as effective as educating people of them. In fact, it's far more likely to be counter-productive, to make people reject them.

know1

This is a perfect example of government going way beyond its bounds to interfere with personal freedom.

As others have said, there are too many holes in this for it to be truly enforceable. Kind of like the stupid laws that ban texting while driving.

Jason P

Are there tons of women in France walking around fully concealed in their garbs?

Hub.

Never seen one were I live. Rather in cities like Paris or Marseille.

wolfamongwolves

Jason P wrote:

Are there tons of women in France walking around fully concealed in their garbs?

From what I've read, there are between 350 and 2,000 women out of a total Muslim population of 4-6 million who wear face-covering veils. So you're talking about creating all this fuss for a law that applies to, at most, 1 in a thousand Muslim women, and about one in 30,000 French people.

ShimmyMommy

wolfamongwolves wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Are there tons of women in France walking around fully concealed in their garbs?

From what I've read, there are between 350 and 2,000 women out of a total Muslim population of 4-6 million who wear face-covering veils. So you're talking about creating all this fuss for a law that applies to, at most, 1 in a thousand Muslim women, and about one in 30,000 French people.

see, that ban has no point then...it's just based out of fear. ridiculous, really.

good math work wolfamongwolves :thumbup:

Idris

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/ ... 3081.shtml

(AP) PARIS - A woman has been ticketed in a suburban Paris shopping center for wearing a face veil, in the first reported sanction under a new ban on the garments, police said Tuesday.
Another woman in another Paris suburb was stopped for wearing a veil, but was let go with a warning.
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