Burqa ban in france
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this ban comes into force today i personally agree that the whole face should not be covered but wot do you think :?:
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i usually have mixed feelings on this topic.
personally i think its backwards and stupid that women have to cover their faces, but i understand peoples rights to religion.
While the wording of the law does not mention burqa or women specifically, and is a ban on all face covering. my understanding is that the intent of the law was 100 percent to ban the burqa.
In my opinion, people should be allowed to wear what they want, especially for religious reasons. I read in the newspaper that some women were arrested today by plain clothes police for wearing their burqa's in public. While they supposedly won't get any jail time, it still seems like an affront to one's religious freedoms.
Actually it is a choice to wear the Burqa. It is not forced on by their religion I think but has just evolved from that. Maybe someone with more knowledge can comment further but that is my understanding. A lot of these women choose to wear them and feel comfortable in them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ap ... nza-drider
You hear people often commenting about how it is awful that women are oppressed etc but it really wasn't until recently that women in the western world achieved equal rights and there is still a big debate on how 'equal' women really are.
This is another loophole by which government is attacking religious beliefs...I see a civil rights case in the works here...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Unfortunately, it's not the only issue, in France.
And because of the way our president is ruling the country (especially concerning muslims), extreme right is closing the gap. This guy is a real danger for democracy. :evil:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ZaRoFF/95885951739?created#!/profile.php?id=100001560978213
:? That does not sound very good. Fear-based government is the downfall of many successful societies. It's a shame that fear leads the leaders... :thumbdown:
That's a good point Shimmy, what exactly is the limit on 'face covering', if it's truly for ID reasons only, then the ban should include many other things, like sunglasses and makeup, sometimes it's hard to ID a woman under all that face paint
Bad government!
Make-up! I completely forgot about make-up! See, there are too many discrepancies to allow such a ban!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2WbAf3t8w
unfortunately there has been serious problems with the radical muslims in many countries
and these governments will do what is necessary to help protect their people, when anybody goes to
another country they must abide by their laws...old or new laws and if they don't like them maybe they
should find somewhere else to live...ha ha maybe this kind of law can help abolish the helmet law in California.
just say'n.
Godfather.
Are people allowed to wear those huge sunglasses that cover like half their face? Wearing big sunglasses and a hat would probably be as much of a security risk. What about beards? Are you allowed to grow a beard? Is halloween also banned?
Godfather.
In the old thread, I think there is the 'wording' of this law. Full face covering, including masks, helmets, etc.
Also, it has already been enforced in The Netherlands and Belgium, I think.
It's called fear politics. To suggest a Burqa ban will help reduce 'radical muslims' (whatever you deem that to entail) you are greatly mistaken. All about attacking what you don't understand and disciminate against a legitimate religious piece of clothing. Things like this can just be the first steps leading to something much worse.
I agree that it doesn't matter where the ban is taking place. It is wrong, unless it applies to every single citizen--regardless of religion. To create legislation to segregate people based on their religious beliefs is archaic, like burning women without proof that they are witches.
If there were a few extremist Catholics who acted out, would it be within reason to say all monks or nuns cannot wear their habits in every country they visited? It was their choice to become devotees, so who are we to tell them they can't show it?
Religious extremists are also acting out of fear. They use religious doctrine to hide behind their own fear-based actions. The government is acting in the same manner and hiding behind legislation. Both sides are buying into the stereotyping they hear about each other, and the only way out of that fear-driven ignorance is education on both parts.
Yes, exactly...the terrorists that committed crimes were mostly men...they did not wear the burqua. They wore sunglasses and hats.
Godfather.
I can see your point. I find that most people that come to a new country keep their customs until they are familiar with the new ones. I know many that choose to take off the burqa after they became comfortable here. A new country should offer comfort to a new citizen, it shows understanding and compassion. It removes the worldwide stereotype of that country that the person may (or may not) have. It helps with the transitional period, not mention builds a patriotism in a new citizen that can sometimes rival that of a naturalized one. This is why I hesitate on legislation like this...it can deter people of great intelligence and moral standards from ever wanting to learn from a new country.
That being said, I am a naturalized Canadian. My parents immigrated here before I was born. It took them many years to transition, due to the close-minded racism and stereotyping from other citizens. I only know Canadian customs. I am also Roman Catholic. Betcha didn't see that coming!
sorry for the ramble. :oops:
True but this law has come from what? No rational reasoning just plain fear mongering and discrimination. Islamophobia thay call it. The unrational prejudice against a religion they know little about and people are playing up to those stereotypes without any education into it.
This ban will only further polarise muslims and non-muslims. It will only deepen the resolve that muslims are being unfairly treated and demographed by the 'western world' and that muslims are somehow something to be feared or 'not-one-of-us'. This will only help segregate the world further.
'Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.'
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What, are they going to arrest someone who's robbing a bank for wearing a mask?
If someone is going to do something illegal, they are going to throw the mask on and do their thing. The law isn't going to stop them.
Yeah, wearing a mask is stupid, but telling someone they can't is even dumber... In fact, laws telling people what they can and can't wear, like clothing, is stupid. Not that I want to see a bunch of naked people walking around, but it's really rather strange that its illegal to look how we evolved to be.
Stupid society.
you have used the word fear a few times now "fear mongering" but what brought about this law ?...could it be fear ? fear of what has been happening with "radical Muslims" in France and other country's. it's a shame that people can't live as they wish so they move to other places to find that comfort and with them come the bad people also and with that I mean all people that move to other country's not just a certain group
but the good people that live in these country's native or not still deserve the right to feel protected and safe.
Godfather.
a Chicago school has banned all home made lunches....interrupting a parents decision on how to feed their kid
I mean if they want fat unhealthy kids that's their decision and right to do so right ????
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookou ... food-fight
Godfather.
Unfounded fear is exactly what it is. People hear that a few terrorist attacks were committed by muslims so now everyone looks to pigeon hole all muslims as terrorists or people to be looked at suspiciously. It's ridiculous and unfounded. I think these muslim women deserve to feel safe and protected as well but now they are being persecuted and frowned upon because of their choice of religion and clothing. If we were to ban clothing as a measure of 'danger' and 'something to fear or be protected from' it wouldn't be the burqa it would be the tracksuits.
All this does is give the radical muslims more leverage in taking young, men and women who are confused and fed up at being looked upon with fear and unjustified prejudice and twisting them to their own ends. This kind of action and climate helps these radicals bbury their feet in the sand further. It's racial profiling, it's wrong and always will be and this makes the situation worse not better in the slightest.
:crazy: I'm all for banning unhealthy junk being served by the school but if children and parents want to bring their own lunch well that's their business. I remember my school meals being awful
Would be interested to see who profits from all the children eating in the cafeteria
I think they discuss the profiteering in the doc Food Inc., I am not sure...I have seen many docs on the food industry and they are blending into each other for as they cross-reference the same research. Time to sharpen my mind again. :oops: