Regarding drug testing at my job, I don't honestly know about the nurses. Maybe they have to be tested, though I've never heard that they do. I work at a teaching hospital, so the docs (and me & my colleagues) get paid via one government entity (the Health Sciences Center) & the nurses & MAs technically get paid via another government entity (the University Hospital). Some of the hospital policies are different - like their benefits - so maybe this one is different too. But I know for sure that there's no testing at the Health Sciences Center unless there's a problem.
woooow. Crazy. Every place I've ever worked (some teaching hospitals, some not), there has been a pre-employment drug screen, random drug screen policy, and drug screening for reason/suspicion. I'm just used to it now because it's so typical. The random ones don't seem to happen much, but they do happen. Most people I know who are not in the me dical field rarely have drug screens other than the pre-employment, if then. But as far as 'recreation in spare time'...forget it, that can't exist for me---foreign concept. But, the knowledge of that makes one aware..so, similar idea to what we were talking about. But again, they're not on a job...see, it's just circular..:problem:
Weird. I wonder if it's just for nurses. Do the docs get tested too in the places you have worked? If not, maybe they're discriminating against you because you make less money. :problem: I have doc friends all over the country, and I don't think they've been tested in other places either, but I'll ask.
No, they don't that I know of. The ones that I have been friends with personally have not been. The only one that I know of who has been was an anesthesiologist who developed a problem and narcotics turned up missing and they confronted him and he voluntarily surrendered his license temporarily and went to rehab and then he was reinstated. It would be interesting to know if the board randomly screens him now but I don't know; I don't have contact with him anymore. Doctors have much different rules than nurses from what I gather. I think it has more to do with the particular state nursing/medical boards, etc. than with money, but I don't know... could be a reflection of position.
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you people advocating for this drug testing are opening up a HUGE can of worms that you are all going to have to try to figure out. if this passes and spreads to other states you are going to see a huge increase in size and scope of government....and the tea party is not going to go for that.
The HUGE can of worms is the welfare program to begin with. It didn't become a hundreds of billions of dollars program overnight, anything made to eliminate fraud will take time as well.
----The second link doesn't have any info, really. The first one is based on asking caseworkers their opinion on who is committing fraud with the child care grants. It can only be based on a subjective sense, because the recipient likely isn't telling them that the money isn't going to a day care provider. It's pretty much based on the caseworker thinking something is fishy. The article also incorrectly references the amounts, saying LA county, but actually the amounts are for the whole state. Information is probably best drawn from results of work done by fraud investigators and then trying to extrapolate from there. Drawing conclusions about people you know or some guy down the street isn't valid. People do it all the time though and drives me nuts.
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I think if you look into it welfare fraud is likely in the billions but really whats the point in debating that,this thread is about a piss test and that I support, crap I have to piss test at work and I can be called evry month or week if they wanted too and if thats all I have to do to keep my income then things ain't so bad, really there are worse things to worry about.
I would add a condition that if they fail, they can still receive welfare as long as they have documented proof they are attending weekly rehab and support groups to quit.
Then what is the incentive for them to stop doing dugs. Rehad is not treated as a consequence. You can't make somone quit if they don't want to. Throwing more and more money into social programs is clearly not the answer. Make there be an incentive to get off and a dis-incentive to go on.
so what would be your solution. should all people doing drugs not received welfare? is that your solution?
I would add a condition that if they fail, they can still receive welfare as long as they have documented proof they are attending weekly rehab and support groups to quit.
Then what is the incentive for them to stop doing dugs. Rehad is not treated as a consequence. You can't make somone quit if they don't want to. Throwing more and more money into social programs is clearly not the answer. Make there be an incentive to get off and a dis-incentive to go on.
so what would be your solution. should all people doing drugs not received welfare? is that your solution?
If they are breaking federal laws, why allow them to receive federal assistance?
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Then what is the incentive for them to stop doing dugs. Rehad is not treated as a consequence. You can't make somone quit if they don't want to. Throwing more and more money into social programs is clearly not the answer. Make there be an incentive to get off and a dis-incentive to go on.
so what would be your solution. should all people doing drugs not received welfare? is that your solution?
If they are breaking federal laws, why allow them to receive federal assistance?
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The HUGE can of worms is the welfare program to begin with. It didn't become a hundreds of billions of dollars program overnight, anything made to eliminate fraud will take time as well.
How much does welfare fraud total?[/quote]
check these out for a little info.
Godfather.
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/01 ... e-welfare1
http://fraud.laws.com/welfare-fraud/wel ... the-system[/quote]
----The second link doesn't have any info, really. The first one is based on asking caseworkers their opinion on who is committing fraud with the child care grants. It can only be based on a subjective sense, because the recipient likely isn't telling them that the money isn't going to a day care provider. It's pretty much based on the caseworker thinking something is fishy. The article also incorrectly references the amounts, saying LA county, but actually the amounts are for the whole state. Information is probably best drawn from results of work done by fraud investigators and then trying to extrapolate from there. Drawing conclusions about people you know or some guy down the street isn't valid. People do it all the time though and drives me nuts.
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I think if you look into it welfare fraud is likely in the billions but really whats the point in debating that,this thread is about a piss test and that I support, crap I have to piss test at work and I can be called evry month or week if they wanted too and if thats all I have to do to keep my income then things ain't so bad, really there are worse things to worry about.
Godfather.
so what would be your solution. should all people doing drugs not received welfare? is that your solution?
If they are breaking federal laws, why allow them to receive federal assistance?
So their kids can eat.
Yes. :?