Welfare recipients will take drug tests in Florida

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

or how about all government employees who are paid in tax dollars, should they be tested as well?
what about our military and our soldiers?

You are drug tested when your in the miltary...
They are also paid in Tax dollars doing a job (service)
Welfare are being paid for nothing... They are not contributing anything back into the system in which they take from...

Blockhead

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

or how about all government employees who are paid in tax dollars, should they be tested as well?
what about our military and our soldiers?

How about military dependents? My tax dollars pay for their housing & healthcare. Plus, military salaries that buy food for dependents indirectly support those dependents' drug habits. (Isn't that pretty much the argument that is being made by the federal government in their attempt to prevent Planned Parenthood from receiving government funding?)

What about small children who use public libraries? Or anyone who uses police or fire services. Yes, I definitely think the houses of anyone who does drugs should be left to burn down, whether or not their families live there as well. And I don't want my tax dollars going to protect anyone who ever uses drugs from rape or assault! :roll:

What the hell are you talking about???
How about just not pay them to do drugs???
No one said don't help them... Cutting them checks is clearly a problem solver :roll:
Instead of drug test and checks... Everything should be on vouchers.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

or how about all government employees who are paid in tax dollars, should they be tested as well?
what about our military and our soldiers?

You are drug tested when your in the miltary...
They are also paid in Tax dollars doing a job (service)
Welfare are being paid for nothing... They are not contributing anything back into the system in which they take from...

military is tested? really? even when deployed in a theater of war? what about these murders in the "kill team"? they were known to take every drug they could get their hands on.

and welfare recipients do contribute through sales tax and they contribute to the economy by buying things as well. stop with your generalizations please.

gimmesometruth27

and blockhead, what are your thoughts on the government paying for these tests while witholding food money? are you ok with it because these people are worth less to the state and unworthy of human dignity simply because they do not have a job?

Godfather.

LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


Godfather.

you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.

keeponrockin

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

or how about all government employees who are paid in tax dollars, should they be tested as well?
what about our military and our soldiers?

You are drug tested when your in the miltary...
They are also paid in Tax dollars doing a job (service)
Welfare are being paid for nothing... They are not contributing anything back into the system in which they take from...

What about farm-subsidies? I didn't see you answer that. Couldn't they be using their subsidy money for drugs? Or Corvettes?

Jason P

keeponrockin wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

or how about all government employees who are paid in tax dollars, should they be tested as well?
what about our military and our soldiers?

You are drug tested when your in the miltary...
They are also paid in Tax dollars doing a job (service)
Welfare are being paid for nothing... They are not contributing anything back into the system in which they take from...

What about farm-subsidies? I didn't see you answer that. Couldn't they be using their subsidy money for drugs? Or Corvettes?

Better yet, it can be used to grow drugs!

But at least Uncle Sam gets a return on investment w/ farm subsidies.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


Godfather.

you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.

Dude, you always miss the point on this subject... The gov. is paying for their lifestyle, raising/clothing/feeding them and their kids they are allowed to single them out and put restriction/regulations that they see fit. Just like how my employer (who is paying me) is allowed to set regulations/restrictions on what I do even if only a few people are guilty of it. If I don't like it then I can quit. If welfare recipients don't like it, then can go get a job.
Also its not taking away food money, if its implemented correctly there can be monitary consequences for failing the drug test. That money would go right back into the system. I would gladly pay more taxes to help social welfare programs if there was any sort of consequences and pro-active measures being take to quit the continual abuse of the system.

EmBleve

Blockhead wrote:

The gov. is paying for their lifestyle, raising/clothing/feeding them and their kids they are allowed to single them out and put restriction/regulations that they see fit. Just like how my employer (who is paying me) is allowed to set regulations/restrictions on what I do even if only a few people are guilty of it. If I don't like it then I can quit. If welfare recipients don't like it, then can go get a job.

I totally agree with this point. It is a fantastic analogy.

gimmesometruth27

Blockhead wrote:

Dude, you always miss the point on this subject... The gov. is paying for their lifestyle, raising/clothing/feeding them and their kids they are allowed to single them out and put restriction/regulations that they see fit. Just like how my employer (who is paying me) is allowed to set regulations/restrictions on what I do even if only a few people are guilty of it. If I don't like it then I can quit. If welfare recipients don't like it, then can go get a job.
Also its not taking away food money, if its implemented correctly there can be monitary consequences for failing the drug test. That money would go right back into the system. I would gladly pay more taxes to help social welfare programs if there was any sort of consequences and pro-active measures being take to quit the continual abuse of the system.

no i am not missing the point. i get the point loud and clear. people on your side of the argument can not stand the thought of parting with their precious money, so they have to scapegoat the least of our society. how many excuses have you posted on this board over the last few months to justify your position that you are greater than other people simply because you have a job and they do not? and like you said in the other thread, thank god your house is going on the market, because we can't have your property value going down because some people are going to live in government subsidized housing now can we?

selfish selfish selfish.

why are you deflecting from answering my questions?

oh yeah, and again i will ask, get a job where???? as if it is that easy in these times..

EmBleve

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

oh yeah, and again i will ask, get a job where???? as if it is that easy in these times..

I thought about this point, too, and I'm not sure what's going on with you and blockhead, but I'm just responding to the point in the thread, so not meaning to interrupt... :?
It isn't easy to get a job in these times, no doubt. But if a person really wants to work, they can find a job doing something. I have nothing against using some of my tax dollars to help the less fortunate who really need the help, but not those who are getting high and abusing the system. Presently, I have a job in which I make $650/month. It took 3 months for me to get that job. I 'make too much money' to be eligible for government assistance of any kind unless I am pregnant (which would stop when I have said baby). I still pay taxes for my little job, I do not do drugs (not a prude, just been there, done that, and it didn't get me anywhere), and I know people who receive welfare who DO do drugs, and who have more money than I do at any given time. I don't have a comprehensive solution, but I know it doesn't seem fair.

oh--I should have clarified, I have never received any sort of benefits--my situation is circumstantial, and the only reason I looked into it was to try to get health insurance and/or dental--haha. They basically laughed me out of ss.

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

Dude, you always miss the point on this subject... The gov. is paying for their lifestyle, raising/clothing/feeding them and their kids they are allowed to single them out and put restriction/regulations that they see fit. Just like how my employer (who is paying me) is allowed to set regulations/restrictions on what I do even if only a few people are guilty of it. If I don't like it then I can quit. If welfare recipients don't like it, then can go get a job.
Also its not taking away food money, if its implemented correctly there can be monitary consequences for failing the drug test. That money would go right back into the system. I would gladly pay more taxes to help social welfare programs if there was any sort of consequences and pro-active measures being take to quit the continual abuse of the system.

I agree with you on many of the things you say about welfare, but this statement underlined^^^ is just absurd. It reflects a lot about how you are misled by stereotype and generalizations. Yes, there are some people who abuse the system, but they arent 'raising' everyones kids. in fact there are a lot of people on govt assistance that have jobs but need 'some' help.

I am back and forth on whether or not to drug test applicants. I can see good coming from it, but really wish there werent underlying politics and slimy deals.

EmBleve

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

Dude, you always miss the point on this subject... The gov. is paying for their lifestyle, raising/clothing/feeding them and their kids they are allowed to single them out and put restriction/regulations that they see fit. Just like how my employer (who is paying me) is allowed to set regulations/restrictions on what I do even if only a few people are guilty of it. If I don't like it then I can quit. If welfare recipients don't like it, then can go get a job.
Also its not taking away food money, if its implemented correctly there can be monitary consequences for failing the drug test. That money would go right back into the system. I would gladly pay more taxes to help social welfare programs if there was any sort of consequences and pro-active measures being take to quit the continual abuse of the system.

I agree with you on many of the things you say about welfare, but this statement underlined^^^ is just absurd. It reflects a lot about how you are misled by stereotype and generalizations. Yes, there are some people who abuse the system, but they arent 'raising' everyones kids. in fact there are a lot of people on govt assistance that have jobs but need 'some' help.

in this I thought he was referring to drug testing. And where I'm at you only get 'some' help if you make less that $400/month in the household.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


Godfather.

you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.

I know what you are saying but as I said if a person is clean then it's not an issue, the wide spread of drug use and welfare fraud is out of sight and it is a shame that some people will be screwed because of the ones that do their dirt on the tax payers dime, I will also agree that this could be a government move to trim the welfare budget. but I gt to tell ya man I have personally known and partied with many people that abuse the welfare system and had no intentions of working...and there are more than a few of those out there and the cost goes into the millions pulse every year and probably more than most realize so really I have no problem with a piss test, it's a small price to pay for temporary funding to support your family or your self.

Godfather.

CH156378

One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

Given Solantic's role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott's policy initiatives - this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients - are designed to benefit Scott's bottom line.

The Palm Beach Post reported in an exclusive story two weeks ago that while Scott divested his interest in Solantic in January, the controlling shares went to a trust in his wife's name.

mikepegg44

best solution. Legalize drugs

JonnyPistachio

CH156378 wrote:

One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.

Given Solantic's role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott's policy initiatives - this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients - are designed to benefit Scott's bottom line.

The Palm Beach Post reported in an exclusive story two weeks ago that while Scott divested his interest in Solantic in January, the controlling shares went to a trust in his wife's name.

Slimy.
I usually don't judge by physical appearance, but Rick Scott simply looks like he's up to no good.

CH156378

http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/

Drowned Out

mikepegg44 wrote:

best solution. Legalize drugs

HELLO!
A voice of reason....

So let me get this straight....
A welfare recipient who had a FREE pull off a bong at a party a month ago can be denied funding....but the welfare recipient who pops 18 oxxy's a day and drinks their face off all night can get funding. makes perfect sense!

oh right....a welfare recipient shouldn't be at a party, they should be getting one of those easy to find jobs.

Some of you people just don't think things thru....like....at all.