Welfare recipients will take drug tests in Florida

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    CH156378 wrote:
    http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/
    I'm guessing my companies firewall will prevent me from accessing that site :D
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    Jason P wrote:
    CH156378 wrote:
    http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/
    I'm guessing my companies firewall will prevent me from accessing that site :D
    :lol:
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Blockhead wrote:
    Welfare are being paid for nothing... They are not contributing anything back into the system in which they take from...

    This blatantly false statement that you repeat ad nauseum regardless of any actual facts is the reason I'm not going to discuss this with you, Blockhead.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
    and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
    but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


    Godfather.
    you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.

    Plus, children shouldn't be made to suffer because of the "sins" of their parents.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    Godfather. wrote:
    LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
    and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
    but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


    Godfather.

    Fan of bigger government, huh?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    Godfather.[/quote]
    you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.[/quote]

    I know what you are saying but as I said if a person is clean then it's not an issue, the wide spread of drug use and welfare fraud is out of sight and it is a shame that some people will be screwed because of the ones that do their dirt on the tax payers dime, I will also agree that this could be a government move to trim the welfare budget. but I gt to tell ya man I have personally known and partied with many people that abuse the welfare system and had no intentions of working...and there are more than a few of those out there and the cost goes into the millions pulse every year and probably more than most realize so really I have no problem with a piss test, it's a small price to pay for temporary funding to support your family or your self.

    Godfather.[/quote]

    How much does welfare fraud total?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    _ wrote:
    Plus, children shouldn't be made to suffer because of the "sins" of their parents.
    They shouldn't, but they do. And this isn't just regarding the topic at hand.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
    and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
    but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


    Godfather.

    Fan of bigger government, huh?

    well you know what they say when you ASSume.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Godfather.
    you are missing the point. the point is they are trying to single out an entire population based on the actions of a few people. and the government is going to foot the bill for the testing. either that, or they are going to make the recipient pay for the testing with money that they do not have. it is taking food money out of their pockets. why not just pay for their food? it is a budget neutral move. all it is is taking food money away, granting the government more power, and spending tax dollars on testing instead of helping people eat.[/quote]

    I know what you are saying but as I said if a person is clean then it's not an issue, the wide spread of drug use and welfare fraud is out of sight and it is a shame that some people will be screwed because of the ones that do their dirt on the tax payers dime, I will also agree that this could be a government move to trim the welfare budget. but I gt to tell ya man I have personally known and partied with many people that abuse the welfare system and had no intentions of working...and there are more than a few of those out there and the cost goes into the millions pulse every year and probably more than most realize so really I have no problem with a piss test, it's a small price to pay for temporary funding to support your family or your self.

    Godfather.[/quote]

    How much does welfare fraud total?[/quote]

    check these out for a little info.
    Godfather.


    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/01 ... e-welfare1

    http://fraud.laws.com/welfare-fraud/wel ... the-system
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Jason P wrote:
    _ wrote:
    Plus, children shouldn't be made to suffer because of the "sins" of their parents.
    They shouldn't, but they do. And this isn't just regarding the topic at hand.

    Yes, they do. They have extra-hard lives already. I just don't think we should actively promote their suffering by denying them food for which they would otherwise qualify.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Okay, let's say I'm a drug-addicted welfare recipient...

    ...but I turn tricks for my drugs, so I'm not spending any of my welfare money on them. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I get a job as a stripper to pay for my drugs. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I only use drugs when I can get them for free. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I keep trying to quit but I can't afford rehab. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but they legalize the drugs that are currently illegal. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I'm addicted only to legal drugs. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I'm addicted to costly cigarettes. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I spend the money on junk food instead of healthy food. Should I and my children be denied welfare?
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I notice you've skipped my question twice...

    Do you or do you not also support drug testing for farmers who receive subsidies from the government?

    Considering they're getting 'free money' from the government, I wouldn't think you'd want them spending it on drugs.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    _ wrote:
    Okay, let's say I'm a drug-addicted welfare recipient...

    ...but I turn tricks for my drugs, so I'm not spending any of my welfare money on them. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I get a job as a stripper to pay for my drugs. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I only use drugs when I can get them for free. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I keep trying to quit but I can't afford rehab. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but they legalize the drugs that are currently illegal. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I'm addicted only to legal drugs. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I'm addicted to costly cigarettes. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    ...but I spend the money on junk food instead of healthy food. Should I and my children be denied welfare?

    if you have the means to earn money then why would you be on welfare in the first place ? if your a drug addict with kids and you are hooking or dealing then nobody is dening your kids but you.

    Godfather.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Godfather. wrote:
    if you have the means to earn money then why would you be on welfare in the first place ? if your a drug addict with kids and you are hooking or dealing then nobody is dening your kids but you.

    Godfather.

    As has been pointed out time & time again on this forum, many, MANY people have jobs but still require government assistance to make ends meet. They are called the working poor and our country is creating more and more of them.

    As for your second point... well, I'm not even sure what it is. If we (as a society) take away needed government assistance from a child, we are taking away needed government assistance from a child - regardless of what the parents are or aren't doing. Imagine if you were a hungry child and your parent did something "wrong" and YOU were punished by having your food taken away. Would you think that was fair? Or necessary? Or helpful?

    Also, does it matter to you whether or not the activity (hooking, selling drugs, etc) is legal or illegal? So, like, hookers in Texas are the only ones denying their kids, but hookers in Nevada's kids are being denied by the government?
  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
    and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
    but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


    Godfather.

    Fan of bigger government, huh?

    lol

    I'm all for a smaller government. My favorite type of small, unobtrusive government is the type that wiretaps its citizens, tells people who they can and cannot marry, insists pregnant women give birth even if they don't want to, wants to dictate where certain religions can and cannot be practiced, takes away a person's right to band together with peers to lobby for better working conditions...
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm all for a smaller government. My favorite type of small, unobtrusive government is the type that wiretaps its citizens, tells people who they can and cannot marry, insists pregnant women give birth even if they don't want to, wants to dictate where certain religions can and cannot be practiced, takes away a person's right to band together with peers to lobby for better working conditions...

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    edited April 2011
    Godfather. wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    LMFO !!!!! there are a lot of people trading their food cards and using their welfare money for drugs
    and you can't compare them to our military men and women.
    but anyway this shit is just too funny, if you are clean then a piss test shouldn't be an issue and if you want to get high then find a way to earn your drug money.


    Godfather.

    Fan of bigger government, huh?

    well you know what they say when you ASSume.

    Godfather.

    Whoops, wrong guy, sorry.
    Post edited by Go Beavers on
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    I support the drug testing with stipulations. He is testing Government employees. He is not doing this to help anyone,
    he is going to rake in the big bucks. Another crook voted in! Floridians! I live here but I do not vote for KNOWN crooks! In my town they voted in the ex mayor to city council at the same time he was under indictment. Caught red handed! :?

    This is what it's all about:

    http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/400601/ron-littlepage/2011-03-31/scotts-agenda-has-conflicts-interest
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  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    Blockhead wrote:
    maj4e wrote:
    Only if everyone who receives ANY public money has to be tested. State employees, kids in public schools. Politicians etc.
    ???? whats your reasoning for that??? They are PAYING back into the system (tax) welfare recipients are not, they are given money not working for it.
    Why is it the gov. job to drug test kids??? That is what we have PARENTS for, thats their job. Its not the gov. job to be PARENTS.

    1. Relax
    2. Not everyone on Public assistance is always on it. Therefore they pay into it as well. They also pay into it in the form of car tags and sales tax.
  • maj4e
    maj4e Posts: 605
    The military doesn't really drug test that often. I did 3 active and 3 reserve in the Corps and aside from initial entry I only remember being tested twice in 6 years.

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