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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Go Beavers wrote:
    The military trains people to dehumanize others and therefore make it easier to kill them. Then they're thrown into a war which is a completely messed up situation beyond words and can permanently warp the strongest of minds. My guess is that most of these "monsters" were regular guys in the past, and likely still would be if they didn't enlist. Americans have this false sense that somehow our military is above this action. You can't take people, push them to the edge of insanity, and expect all of them to maintain a sense of right and wrong. Right and wrong is turned on it's head and scrambled in war. Vets that come home heros are often tortured emotionally with the fact that they did things they didn't think they could, and that they betrayed their own morals which they felt were sound in the past. This story speaks to the atrocities of war that happen in every war. It should be reviewed prior to and during our next war when the president gets and 80% approval rating and people are pumped full of "shock and awe".

    I agree the, the art of war takes victims on both sides.
    this situation is not unique to just Americas Military, we've seen this on you tube and the news involving civilians and solders from other countries,it boils down to "the human element" or "the acts of MAN" as Chickweed said in the beginning of this thread. armed services around the world are unfortunate but necessary.


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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Go Beavers wrote:
    The military trains people to dehumanize others and therefore make it easier to kill them. Then they're thrown into a war which is a completely messed up situation beyond words and can permanently warp the strongest of minds. My guess is that most of these "monsters" were regular guys in the past, and likely still would be if they didn't enlist. Americans have this false sense that somehow our military is above this action. You can't take people, push them to the edge of insanity, and expect all of them to maintain a sense of right and wrong. Right and wrong is turned on it's head and scrambled in war. Vets that come home heros are often tortured emotionally with the fact that they did things they didn't think they could, and that they betrayed their own morals which they felt were sound in the past. This story speaks to the atrocities of war that happen in every war. It should be reviewed prior to and during our next war when the president gets and 80% approval rating and people are pumped full of "shock and awe".

    I respectfully disagree. There is/was something extremely wrong with these individuals. Yes, enlisting might have aggravated it, but they had to be fucked up to commit these barbaric murders. Hundreds of thousands of other soldiers dont commit crimes like this.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,623
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    Go Beavers wrote:
    The military trains people to dehumanize others and therefore make it easier to kill them. Then they're thrown into a war which is a completely messed up situation beyond words and can permanently warp the strongest of minds. My guess is that most of these "monsters" were regular guys in the past, and likely still would be if they didn't enlist. Americans have this false sense that somehow our military is above this action. You can't take people, push them to the edge of insanity, and expect all of them to maintain a sense of right and wrong. Right and wrong is turned on it's head and scrambled in war. Vets that come home heros are often tortured emotionally with the fact that they did things they didn't think they could, and that they betrayed their own morals which they felt were sound in the past. This story speaks to the atrocities of war that happen in every war. It should be reviewed prior to and during our next war when the president gets and 80% approval rating and people are pumped full of "shock and awe".

    I respectfully disagree. There is/was something extremely wrong with these individuals. Yes, enlisting might have aggravated it, but they had to be fucked up to commit these barbaric murders. Hundreds of thousands of other soldiers dont commit crimes like this.
    People's behavior changes with pretty mild changes in the environment. It's not a factor of chance that this group happened to be populated with murderers. The behaviors were created as a result of a mix of individuals responding to the larger group in turn responding to an insane situation. This situation has a high probability of occurring in other groups that are fighting there, but in this case there was a failure of leadership to dial back this behavior and related thinking. It's pretty easy to take the moral high road from behind our computers, but I don't think we should speak with certainty unless we've been there.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs was found guilty of the murders of innocent Afghans and was sentenced to a life term.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-soldier-gets-life-sentence-afghan-killings-024116265.html

    The military doesn't typically use capital punishment in sentencing (ironically), but I wouldn't mind making an exception for this scumbag.

    Better yet, turn him over to Afghanistan and let their courts handle it.
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  • IrishGuy
    IrishGuy Posts: 258
    And yet for some reason he will be eligible for parole in less than nine years. Hope he doesn't get it.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,470
    Jason P wrote:

    Better yet, turn him over to Afghanistan and let their courts handle it.
    afghan courts should have handled this to begin with. or it should have been referred to the hague for war crimes proceedings.

    i do not trust the american military justice system when it prosecutes war criminals for acts committed on foreign soil. it should have been an afghan issue or an international one. the us looks after it's own even when they kill innocent civilians...
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  • MayDay Malone
    MayDay Malone Posts: 641
    Shawshank wrote:
    I saw this earlier, and I don't think I've ever wished the death penalty on individuals as much as I do these animals. Actually, calling them animals is an insult to every animal on Earth. Words do not describe these bastards. Not only did they commit senseless, brutal murder to innocent civilians, they've also condemned honorable, good soldiers to death and ridicule. They should turn these shit piles over to the Afghan people and let them dole out the punishment. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


    As long as you're for black prisons, Guantanamo, water-boarding, and execution for terrorist combatants also.


    Im sure you are though, right?

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