Old Abe Lincoln....What a guy!

ed243421

Shawshank wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

"Lincoln was undoubtedly a firm believer in equal human rights, which is where his disdain for slavery rested."

abe had this to say about that

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races (applause); that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.. . .
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and J as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Yeah, I read that the first time you copied and pasted it. Social and political equality of that time had absolutely nothing to do with a belief in equal human rights (i.e. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness).

not trying to argue
it is what it is
i see it one way
you can see it however you like
i think it's pathetic to idolize or praise
anyone who had racist beliefs
and at the same time excuse them
for having such beliefs at a time in history
when they were accepted by a majority of the people
while at the same time
there was a minority that knew it was wrong

pandora

"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry"

"I would rather be a little nobody, then to be a evil somebody."

"You cannot have the right to do what is wrong!"


I think him a good man

ShimmyMommy

pandora wrote:

"I would rather be a little nobody, then to be a evil somebody."

I agree

Jason P

ed243421 wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

"Lincoln was undoubtedly a firm believer in equal human rights, which is where his disdain for slavery rested."

abe had this to say about that

"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races (applause); that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.. . .
And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and J as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Yeah, I read that the first time you copied and pasted it. Social and political equality of that time had absolutely nothing to do with a belief in equal human rights (i.e. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness).

not trying to argue
it is what it is
i see it one way
you can see it however you like
i think it's pathetic to idolize or praise
anyone who had racist beliefs
and at the same time excuse them
for having such beliefs at a time in history
when they were accepted by a majority of the people
while at the same time
there was a minority that knew it was wrong

What do you propose?

A possible solution is to mandate that whenever discussing the history of Abe Lincoln, you have to throw in "Oh yeah, he was also a racist" in closing.

pandora

"And in the end it is not the years in your life that count, it's the life in your years."

CH156378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YpV0-faTpM

pandora

CH156378 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YpV0-faTpM

uh oh he might have had only one suit!

the beard ... great addition as for most men

I liked a few pictures with the wild hairdo...very progressive for his time

I guess they didn't smile much back in the day but I liked the few with just a hint of a smile...looked like he was up to something
probably another wonderful quote

"People are just as happy as they make up their minds to be."

Good day! and thanks for posting

pandora

"If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right!"

Break The Sky

pandora wrote:

"People are just as happy as they make up their minds to be."

"How I choose to feel, is how I am."

pandora

Big Drop wrote:

pandora wrote:

"People are just as happy as they make up their minds to be."

"How I choose to feel, is how I am."

:thumbup: both genius

Break The Sky

I'm glad you've taken such an interest in the life and times of Lincoln, Pandora. Regardless of what any of the muckrakers want to say on here, Lincoln was a martyr to the abolition of slavery and a truly selfless man.

I have a degree in history and museum studies, and one of the facets about my field I found most humorous is that everyone without a degree in my field wants to tell me how things actually were. I can only imagine if this were the case in other disciplines. Could you imagine if I went to any arbitrary mathematician and told him his formulas were wrong? We all have our opinions, and we are all entitled to them, however the difference is I don't let ill-conceived biases and out of context historical fragments influence my understandings of history, nor do I allow modern biases alter my understanding of how societies of the past functioned. I do my best to think historiographically, where I cannot say the same for some of the others who have tried to smear Lincoln's name on this thread.

I've already brought up how Lincoln handled the Trent Affair as a barometer to his moral obligation to freeing the slaves, however another yardstick to measuring this obligation can be found in his reaction to the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

Perhaps all that needs to be done is to study how Frederick Douglass felt about Lincoln to see if the enslaved people of the Confederate States of America believed that Lincoln had a moral obligation to emancipating the slaves.

It's been an absolute pleasure looking over all of Lincoln's quotes that you have posted here Pandora. As I've said before, if there's anything I can ever do to help further stimulate your curiosity for Lincoln or American History in general, please do not be shy to ask.

pandora

Big Drop wrote:

I'm glad you've taken such an interest in the life and times of Lincoln, Pandora. Regardless of what any of the muckrakers want to say on here, Lincoln was a martyr to the abolition of slavery and a truly selfless man.

I have a degree in history and museum studies, and one of the facets about my field I found most humorous is that everyone without a degree in my field wants to tell me how things actually were. I can only imagine if this were the case in other disciplines. Could you imagine if I went to any arbitrary mathematician and told him his formulas were wrong? We all have our opinions, and we are all entitled to them, however the difference is I don't let ill-conceived biases and out of context historical fragments influence my understandings of history, nor do I allow modern biases alter my understanding of how societies of the past functioned. I do my best to think historiographically, where I cannot say the same for some of the others who have tried to smear Lincoln's name on this thread.

I've already brought up how Lincoln handled the Trent Affair as a barometer to his moral obligation to freeing the slaves, however another yardstick to measuring this obligation can be found in his reaction to the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

Perhaps all that needs to be done is to study how Frederick Douglass felt about Lincoln to see if the enslaved people of the Confederate States of America believed that Lincoln had a moral obligation to emancipating the slaves.

It's been an absolute pleasure looking over all of Lincoln's quotes that you have posted here Pandora. As I've said before, if there's anything I can ever do to help further stimulate your curiosity for Lincoln or American History in general, please do not be shy to ask.

Thanks Big Drop! and your knowledge and dedication I admire greatly.

I have this bonded feeling now to Lincoln because of his brilliant quotes...
I feel like I can see his heart...
this why I take the negative with a grain of salt.
No one is perfect but besides that I can see from his words how much he cared
about others and our country. He was a good man.

I will take the time to read the info links you have posted...that was very thoughtful.

It is kind of an awakening for me...I never much thought about him
but after reading his words I feel as though I have a new inspirational guide in my life

I guess like they say never to old to learn

ed243421

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”

-Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865)

pandora

ed243421 wrote:

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”

-Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865)

I see you like this one as much as me awesome :thumbup:


"Whatever you are, be a good one."
— Abraham Lincoln

ShimmyMommy

pandora wrote:

"Whatever you are, be a good one."
— Abraham Lincoln

:thumbup:

pandora

"Everybody likes compliment."
— Abraham Lincoln

CH156378

"Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle." Abe

pandora

Thank you! ^^^^^^ I like that one! :thumbup:

"I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had no where else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me insufficient for that day."
— Abraham Lincoln

CH156378

Failure is not falling down. Failure is not getting up. Abe

pandora

CH156378 wrote:

Failure is not falling down. Failure is not getting up. Abe

great one!

"It is not best to swap horses while crossing the river."
— Abraham Lincoln

at first I laughed, then....his wisdom shined through