Old Abe Lincoln....What a guy!

pandora

I've been rereading his quotes lately and man he was a cool dude!
and his thoughts current today and just heartwarming...and I love the beard...sexy

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

Love it ...wish I could have known him...or visited with him once
I'm going to try to post one daily... His insight a lovely tool for the day!

ShimmyMommy

pandora wrote:

I've been rereading his quotes lately and man he was a cool dude!
and his thoughts current today and just heartwarming...and I love the beard...sexy

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

Love it ...wish I could have known him...or visited with him once
I'm going to try to post one daily... His insight a lovely tool for the day!

thank for you this, I love a great quote!

peacegirl

pandora wrote:

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."



"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

Love these 2. Thank You!

BinauralJam

Did you also know that he was a Vampire Hunter? it's True.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O41Or9W ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58RPS665V0

Look for the movie next year!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1611224/

StillHere

pandora wrote:

I've been rereading his quotes lately and man he was a cool dude!
and his thoughts current today and just heartwarming...and I love the beard...sexy

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

Love it ...wish I could have known him...or visited with him once
I'm going to try to post one daily... His insight a lovely tool for the day!

so nice
he also listened to his wife re: government and family issues

pandora

BinauralJam wrote:

Did you also know that he was a Vampire Hunter? it's True.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O41Or9W ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58RPS665V0

Look for the movie next year!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1611224/

that one picture the guys eyes looked empty like he was a vampire...scary

learn something new everday

pandora

Its cool he lived /died 146 years ago
and his words/quotes roll from the tongue, relevant, simple, some funny, some filled with irony

He also was a master like Eddie, with his words...connected to that universal creative energy
that brings revelation.

Funny I guess Abe is my new revelation I might be a slow learner

pandora

ShimmyMommy wrote:

pandora wrote:

I've been rereading his quotes lately and man he was a cool dude!
and his thoughts current today and just heartwarming...and I love the beard...sexy

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

Love it ...wish I could have known him...or visited with him once
I'm going to try to post one daily... His insight a lovely tool for the day!

thank for you this, I love a great quote!

Hey if you find any Abe quotes that touch your heart in your travels please share :thumbup:

pandora

peacegirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."



"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

Love these 2. Thank You!

welcome! ...your avatar one of my happiest moments in PJ history

pandora

StillHere wrote:

pandora wrote:

I've been rereading his quotes lately and man he was a cool dude!
and his thoughts current today and just heartwarming...and I love the beard...sexy

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."

"When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally"

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it."

"If I were two-faced, would I be wearing this one?"

Love it ...wish I could have known him...or visited with him once
I'm going to try to post one daily... His insight a lovely tool for the day!

so nice
he also listened to his wife re: government and family issues

He was a keeper! ...she must have been utterly heartbroken to lose her wonderful man.
Why must the good dye young?
I bet he wrote her some pretty love thoughts too.

No one is perfect but those that try are to be greatly admired

I will need to learn more of him...doodled through history class

The Waiting Trophy Man

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

pandora

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

that would be funny to be able to run into him now and he'd talk like that
that would be a cosmic funny

Godfather.

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

"I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.[/quote]"
......REALLY ? :roll:

Godfather.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Godfather. wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm
sure the repubs are responsible for it.

"I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

"
......REALLY ? :roll:

Godfather.[/quote]

REALLY

Shawshank

There probably isn't a bigger admirer of Lincoln on this board than me. :P I have always been fascinated by him. He wasn't the saint that's he's portrayed as these days, but he was a great man. I'm a HUGE history buff. My office is loaded with historical displays. This is one of my favorites, even though it may seem a little weird to some. It's a framed display that I have, and it contains a lock of Lincoln's hair (weird I know, but a common practice back then), a piece of the flag from his funeral train, and his signature.

gimmesometruth27

Shawshank wrote:

There probably isn't a bigger admirer of Lincoln on this board than me. :P I have always been fascinated by him. I'm a HUGE history buff. My office is loaded with historical displays. This is one of my favorites, even though it may seem a little weird to some. It's a framed display that I have, and it contains a lock of Lincoln's hair (weird I know, but a common practice back then), a piece of the flag from his funeral train, and his signature.

wow that is really cool. i think you mentioned having that a few years ago. that has got to be worth some serious money, i mean the flag was only so big and he only had so much hair. he is my favorite president as well. the way he presided over the events of and judt prior to the civil war is something that i really admire. i think it says a lot more about a man if you look at how he leads a divided nation than a united one.

looking back from what i have read he was as polorizing a figure as w. bush and obama are in current times. people loved or despised him.

Break The Sky

Shawshank wrote:

There probably isn't a bigger admirer of Lincoln on this board than me. :P I have always been fascinated by him. I'm a HUGE history buff. My office is loaded with historical displays. This is one of my favorites, even though it may seem a little weird to some. It's a framed display that I have, and it contains a lock of Lincoln's hair (weird I know, but a common practice back then), a piece of the flag from his funeral train, and his signature.

I work for the McClurg Museum in Westfield, NY, and we've got a few artifacts of Lincoln's. Getting a piece of his hair wasn't so much a common practice back then as it was a common crime. On Lincoln's funeral train back to Illinois after his assassination in DC, pretty much everyone that could tried to get any piece of him they could to hold on to. All the buttons on his jacket were gone, most of his hair ripped out, and there are rumors that his left index finger is missing. We'll never know now, because Robert Todd Lincoln had his father buried under 10 feet of concrete, but it all seems very plausible from a historian's viewpoint.

I'm glad you've posted these quotes, Pandora. I love getting into the debate as to whether Lincoln was the great emancipator or whether was simply a modern Bismark. I love the people who argue with me that Lincoln was simply an opportunist who used the country's circumstances to vault himself into power. All you need to do is read some of what Lincoln wrote and you would know that he had a deep passion to emancipate the slaves.

I have so much I could tell you about Lincoln, Pandora, that I just can't fit it on here. If you ever want any suggestions on readings or questions about Lincoln in general, I've dedicated the past few years of my life to studying him and would be more than happy to hold a conversation about him with you!

bennett13

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

Lincoln was himself a Republican.

Break The Sky

bennett13 wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

Lincoln was himself a Republican.

He knows, and he's just trying to get everyone's goat, so please don't feed him. If he actually thinks there is some sort of 150 year old conspiracy by a republican party today that shares little to nothing with Lincoln's republican party, he's got bigger problems than trying to uncover the truth about Lincoln's voice.

Riverrunner

I love the memorabilia Shawshank. How did you get that? The signature and lock of hair?

I live in Illinois, but still don't know as much about Ole Abe as I would like. I always say that when I get some time I would like to study up on Lincoln and his life. I have been to the museum in Springfield and it is good. We didn't have much time when we were there so would like to go back.

I think Lincoln was a good man, but he also had to be tough and politically savvy to be as successful in politics as he was. Sounds almost like a contradiction - good man and politically savvy.

pandora

Big Drop wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

There probably isn't a bigger admirer of Lincoln on this board than me. :P I have always been fascinated by him. I'm a HUGE history buff. My office is loaded with historical displays. This is one of my favorites, even though it may seem a little weird to some. It's a framed display that I have, and it contains a lock of Lincoln's hair (weird I know, but a common practice back then), a piece of the flag from his funeral train, and his signature.

I work for the McClurg Museum in Westfield, NY, and we've got a few artifacts of Lincoln's. Getting a piece of his hair wasn't so much a common practice back then as it was a common crime. On Lincoln's funeral train back to Illinois after his assassination in DC, pretty much everyone that could tried to get any piece of him they could to hold on to. All the buttons on his jacket were gone, most of his hair ripped out, and there are rumors that his left index finger is missing. We'll never know now, because Robert Todd Lincoln had his father buried under 10 feet of concrete, but it all seems very plausible from a historian's viewpoint.

I'm glad you've posted these quotes, Pandora. I love getting into the debate as to whether Lincoln was the great emancipator or whether was simply a modern Bismark. I love the people who argue with me that Lincoln was simply an opportunist who used the country's circumstances to vault himself into power. All you need to do is read some of what Lincoln wrote and you would know that he had a deep passion to emancipate the slaves.

I have so much I could tell you about Lincoln, Pandora, that I just can't fit it on here. If you ever want any suggestions on readings or questions about Lincoln in general, I've dedicated the past few years of my life to studying him and would be more than happy to hold a conversation about him with you!

Wow Shawshank, that is a great display honoring President Lincoln...
lovely and a wonderful conversation piece too I'm sure,
a beautiful tribute to your idol.

I had no idea when I was moved by his quotes others here were moved by him also.

Big Drop, that is sad about his funeral train home, I'm sure if he were looking down on it all
he'd have some wonderful humorous insightful thoughts to share, though.

I would be like a fresh slate for knowledge...
I would say an empty brain but someone may use that against me here at later date

I would love to hear yours and others stories and thoughts, please share.

Honoring a great man with a wonderful positive attitude about life is uplifting for us all.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Big Drop wrote:

bennett13 wrote:

The Waiting Trophy Man wrote:

I read somwhere that he talked in a really high pitched voice. But anytime he's recreated or impersonated he's got this very deep, maculine, god-like voice. Guess it helps his image and I'm sure the repubs are responsible for it.

Lincoln was himself a Republican.

He knows, and he's just trying to get everyone's goat, so please don't feed him. If he actually thinks there is some sort of 150 year old conspiracy by a republican party today that shares little to nothing with Lincoln's republican party, he's got bigger problems than trying to uncover the truth about Lincoln's voice.

Yes I know Lincoln was a republican. And what are you talking about, lol. 150 year old conspiray? You went there? I was just saying that you never really hear his speaking voice portrayed accurately and that it probably boosts his image, that's all. And maybe not republicans, but all of his admirers. But it is funny to think he sounded less god-like and more like Mickey Mouse when he gave some of his famous speeches and quotes, lol. Don't be so sensitive.

Shawshank

Big Drop wrote:

I work for the McClurg Museum in Westfield, NY, and we've got a few artifacts of Lincoln's. Getting a piece of his hair wasn't so much a common practice back then as it was a common crime. On Lincoln's funeral train back to Illinois after his assassination in DC, pretty much everyone that could tried to get any piece of him they could to hold on to. All the buttons on his jacket were gone, most of his hair ripped out, and there are rumors that his left index finger is missing. We'll never know now, because Robert Todd Lincoln had his father buried under 10 feet of concrete, but it all seems very plausible from a historian's viewpoint.

I'm glad you've posted these quotes, Pandora. I love getting into the debate as to whether Lincoln was the great emancipator or whether was simply a modern Bismark. I love the people who argue with me that Lincoln was simply an opportunist who used the country's circumstances to vault himself into power. All you need to do is read some of what Lincoln wrote and you would know that he had a deep passion to emancipate the slaves.

I have so much I could tell you about Lincoln, Pandora, that I just can't fit it on here. If you ever want any suggestions on readings or questions about Lincoln in general, I've dedicated the past few years of my life to studying him and would be more than happy to hold a conversation about him with you!

I believe most people try to twist his views around on slavery, because in actuality slavery was not his primary concern. While he was vehemently opposed to the institution, it's eradication was not the driving force behind his presidency as many people believe.

Yes, relic hunters were a problem, but I don't remember hearing anything about him losing appendages. Also, I don't believe they pulled his hair out, since both his beard and the hair on his head were still present when he was viewed by a small group of witnesses after his exhumation. The only thing that had vanished were his eyebrows. There was no notation about the loss of any digits, just that his gloves had disintegrated. He was so well embalmed that he was perfectly recognizable even 30 years after his death.

Prior to his death, a distant relative of mine was able to secure this lock of hair. He was an assistant secretary to Lincoln, and he obtained the lock after Lincoln received a haircut shortly before the assassination. I've often wondered if it was after one particular haircut he got in Feb of 1865, which was so short it made his hair spike up and caused him to look quite a bit different. You can see a pic here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmcnab/3259528911/

ed243421

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."


to the lincoln buffs
i'm confused
so i'll just ask
what does the above quote mean to you?

Shawshank

ed243421 wrote:

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."


to the lincoln buffs
i'm confused
so i'll just ask
what does the above quote mean to you?

It means that his personal opinion on slavery does not supersede the importance of preserving the Union. Preservation of the country was first and foremost, even if it meant maintaining the institution of slavery as it stood at that time.

Jason P

ed243421 wrote:

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."


to the lincoln buffs
i'm confused
so i'll just ask
what does the above quote mean to you?

I believe that this quote was in a letter meant to gather public support in the North prior to the war. In my opinion, he was saying ye olde tyme speak that the main reason for going to war was to preserve the Union because the issue of slavery was a hot button topic. In other words, he was being a politician. I think it's worth having the supplemental text from the letter for better perspective ...

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.

Claireack

Thanks Pandora, great quotes.

pandora

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Claireack wrote:

Thanks Pandora, great quotes.

:thumbup: welcome... wish I could have a mind like that...lovely was his

I'm enjoying listening to the others talk about Lincoln

Since I got old now I really like history :?

and tracing our family's ancestry too that has been a lot of fun.

Sinks in how really young America is

blondieblue227

great thread. i love history too.

ed243421

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p319_Dickson.html

pandora

I really like this quote too....

"He has a right to criticize, who has a heart to help." magnificent ... so simple yet so perfectly right on
just awesome ...Awesome Abe!