That's a joke right? This guy could have legitimately died on the ice and you want to argue semantics? I'll send an apology your way when Chara sends one the way of Pacioretty.
And for the record, the Flyers are the dirtiest, gooniet, most cheating downright horrible team in the history of any sport. Ever.
The Flyers managed to take an alter boy like Danny Briere and got him to slash Franz Nielson in the face on a faceoff. Then the NHL only hands him a 3 game suspension.
No its not FUCKIN Joke !
Yeah once they put on a Flyers Jersey their brains stop working and become goons
Wow, you are clueless not surprised as a Sabres fan though
And the Flyers have the 2nd best winning pct all time behind the Canadians..Sabres not so much
Sabres fan complaining about dirty players is hilarious (Brad May,Barnaby,Rob Ray) should I continue ?
Recognize this? I wouldn't expect you to. It's the Lady Byng. A Flyer has never won it.
Using the term vegetable is a bit ridiculous...there are people that are actually in that state thats not a term you should just throw around to make a joke
He's got a fractured vertebrae, a broken neck, and a severe concussion, and you're calling me out for sensationalism?
I can't blame you, Chara would fit in just great with the Flyers.
please associate a boston bruin with the flyers :P.
in phantoms defense he was moving his extremeties shortly after.
Yeah...it was a nasty hit but he was moving and is coherent moments after the hit
Its horrible what heppened to him
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That's a joke right? This guy could have legitimately died on the ice and you want to argue semantics? I'll send an apology your way when Chara sends one the way of Pacioretty.
And for the record, the Flyers are the dirtiest, gooniet, most cheating downright horrible team in the history of any sport. Ever.
The Flyers managed to take an alter boy like Danny Briere and got him to slash Franz Nielson in the face on a faceoff. Then the NHL only hands him a 3 game suspension.
No its not FUCKIN Joke !
Yeah once they put on a Flyers Jersey their brains stop working and become goons
Wow, you are clueless not surprised as a Sabres fan though
And the Flyers have the 2nd best winning pct all time behind the Canadians..Sabres not so much
Sabres fan complaining about dirty players is hilarious (Brad May,Barnaby,Rob Ray) should I continue ?
Recognize this? I wouldn't expect you to. It's the Lady Byng. A Flyer has never won it.
Thankfully
Maybe Rob Ray won one when he was not hooking his shoulder pads on so when he fought his jersey and pads came right off so the guy he was fighting couldn't hold on to anything...classy
My drinking team has a hockey problem
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Everyone knows Ray did that. I'm not going to say it's wasn't a tactic to help him win fights. . . but who was it he was fighting? Donald Brashier? Tie Domi? Claude Lemioux?
The reason we needed guys like Ray and Playfair was because of teams like the Flyers.
The NHL was different back then, and that's the reason you didn't see anyone jump Chara after the hit, mostly because Brian Gianta is 5'2 1/2.
Claude Lemioux and Darcy Tucker got what was coming to them when they played dirty. Enforcers are a dying breed and the NHL won't take any action.
You tell me what the real crime was. Rob Ray wearing an XXL jersey when his size was an XL or Claude Lemioux putting Kris Draper face first into the boards?
People need to chill out. There is nothing you can do to control this ... unless you want to stop watching, stop going to games, etc ... which you're not going to do.
The league is fucking daft for not suspending Chara for a few games ... yes, I'm a Bruins fan and I'm saying that. Almost feel it's being done to get their league talked about. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
This all said, criminal charges? C'mon, ridiculous.
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Everyone knows Ray did that. I'm not going to say it's wasn't a tactic to help him win fights. . . but who was it he was fighting? Donald Brashier? Tie Domi? Claude Lemioux?
The reason we needed guys like Ray and Playfair was because of teams like the Flyers.
The NHL was different back then, and that's the reason you didn't see anyone jump Chara after the hit, mostly because Brian Gianta is 5'2 1/2.
Claude Lemioux and Darcy Tucker got what was coming to them when they played dirty. Enforcers are a dying breed and the NHL won't take any action.
You tell me what the real crime was. Rob Ray wearing an XXL jersey when his size was an XL or Claude Lemioux putting Kris Draper face first into the boards?
Everyone knows he did it but it doesn't make it right..there is a code of honor with fighters in the NHL. Obviously Ray did not heed that code. Illegal hits that you described have no place in the game.
The Flyers were not always a team that fought when they came into the league. You can thank the St.Louis Blues for the Flyers becoming the Bullies. I know you HATE the Flyers but check out the great documentary HBO did on the Broad Street Bullies if you haven't seen it. I'm not justifying the Flyers behavior but you're kidding yourself if you think the Flyers are the sole reason for the fights and dirty hits. The fights and dirty play was around long before the Flyers.
You forgot the biggest 2 pieces of shit to ever play in the NHL IMO..Dale Hunter and Ulf Samuelsson
The instigator rule is what needs to change
My drinking team has a hockey problem
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Everyone knows Ray did that. I'm not going to say it's wasn't a tactic to help him win fights. . . but who was it he was fighting? Donald Brashier? Tie Domi? Claude Lemioux?
The reason we needed guys like Ray and Playfair was because of teams like the Flyers.
The NHL was different back then, and that's the reason you didn't see anyone jump Chara after the hit, mostly because Brian Gianta is 5'2 1/2.
Claude Lemioux and Darcy Tucker got what was coming to them when they played dirty. Enforcers are a dying breed and the NHL won't take any action.
You tell me what the real crime was. Rob Ray wearing an XXL jersey when his size was an XL or Claude Lemioux putting Kris Draper face first into the boards?
Everyone knows he did it but it doesn't make it right..there is a code of honor with fighters in the NHL. Obviously Ray did not heed that code. Illegal hits that you described have no place in the game.
The Flyers were not always a team that fought when they came into the league. You can thank the St.Louis Blues for the Flyers becoming the Bullies. I know you HATE the Flyers but check out the great documentary HBO did on the Broad Street Bullies if you haven't seen it. I'm not justifying the Flyers behavior but you're kidding yourself if you think the Flyers are the sole reason for the fights and dirty hits. The fights and dirty play was around long before the Flyers.
You forgot the biggest 2 pieces of shit to ever play in the NHL IMO..Dale Hunter and Ulf Samuelsson
The instigator rule is what needs to change
I do hate the flyers, but I'd gladly watch anything that's related to hockey.
It's obvious you know your stuff and I don't get to argue like this about hockey very much. I hope that by the time one of us stops posting on this thread you know that it's nothing against you, or Drop The Leash 10 either. You guys obviously love your hockey and I haven't had this much fun bitching about sports in a long time. I'm going to be sour about the Pacioretty hit because of what Hjalmarsson already did to Pominville this year, and no matter how much I bitch about it, I get that people are going to disagree. I just like when someone can actually make an argument, which you have.
And if I see you at the PJ20 fest, I'd happily buy you a beer and talk more hockey, so long as you drink Labatt :twisted: .
I'd love to have the chance to tell you what I think of Garth Snow in person sometime.
Everyone knows Ray did that. I'm not going to say it's wasn't a tactic to help him win fights. . . but who was it he was fighting? Donald Brashier? Tie Domi? Claude Lemioux?
The reason we needed guys like Ray and Playfair was because of teams like the Flyers.
The NHL was different back then, and that's the reason you didn't see anyone jump Chara after the hit, mostly because Brian Gianta is 5'2 1/2.
Claude Lemioux and Darcy Tucker got what was coming to them when they played dirty. Enforcers are a dying breed and the NHL won't take any action.
You tell me what the real crime was. Rob Ray wearing an XXL jersey when his size was an XL or Claude Lemioux putting Kris Draper face first into the boards?
Everyone knows he did it but it doesn't make it right..there is a code of honor with fighters in the NHL. Obviously Ray did not heed that code. Illegal hits that you described have no place in the game.
The Flyers were not always a team that fought when they came into the league. You can thank the St.Louis Blues for the Flyers becoming the Bullies. I know you HATE the Flyers but check out the great documentary HBO did on the Broad Street Bullies if you haven't seen it. I'm not justifying the Flyers behavior but you're kidding yourself if you think the Flyers are the sole reason for the fights and dirty hits. The fights and dirty play was around long before the Flyers.
You forgot the biggest 2 pieces of shit to ever play in the NHL IMO..Dale Hunter and Ulf Samuelsson
The instigator rule is what needs to change
I do hate the flyers, but I'd gladly watch anything that's related to hockey.
It's obvious you know your stuff and I don't get to argue like this about hockey very much. I hope that by the time one of us stops posting on this thread you know that it's nothing against you, or Drop The Leash 10 either. You guys obviously love your hockey and I haven't had this much fun bitching about sports in a long time. I'm going to be sour about the Pacioretty hit because of what Hjalmarsson already did to Pominville this year, and no matter how much I bitch about it, I get that people are going to disagree. I just like when someone can actually make an argument, which you have.
And if I see you at the PJ20 fest, I'd happily buy you a beer and talk more hockey, so long as you drink Labatt :twisted: .
I'd love to have the chance to tell you what I think of Garth Snow in person sometime.
I love hockey so I can into a good discussion anytime
It's all good
I kinda remember an incident with him and Barnaby
Barnaby is definitely one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team....of all guys to grab Barnaby after that incident with Snow..BRIND'AMOUR ! :roll:
My drinking team has a hockey problem
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Barnaby is definitely one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team....of all guys to grab Barnaby after that incident with Snow..BRIND'AMOUR ! :roll:
Just to point out the obvious. . . it was Antoski that started that whole brawl.
the people crying about this hit are the same people that want dodgeball eliminated in gym class. Hockey is a physical sport so injuries are going to happen. It's certainty unfortunate, but that hit wasn't intentional.
chara is an enormous man...when he hits someone going full speed, there's a chance someone might get hurt
also, comparing this incident to bertuzzi/moore is ridiculous.
if there is a police investigation that is sad and pathetic
Barnaby is definitely one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team....of all guys to grab Barnaby after that incident with Snow..BRIND'AMOUR ! :roll:
Just to point out the obvious. . . it was Antoski that started that whole brawl.
Aaaaah I remember him...Sean Antoski
He thought he would adore himself to the Flyers Faithful by wearing number 8...Schultz old number
One problem..."Meat" was his nickname on the Flyers didnt win too many fights
Barnaby is definitely one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team....of all guys to grab Barnaby after that incident with Snow..BRIND'AMOUR ! :roll:
Just to point out the obvious. . . it was Antoski that started that whole brawl.
Aaaaah I remember him...Sean Antoski
He thought he would adore himself to the Flyers Faithful by wearing number 8...Schultz old number
One problem..."Meat" was his nickname on the Flyers didnt win too many fights
Gotta love Barnaby laying there and then he's healed !
Yeah, he pretty much earned the name Matt the Rat. I get we had goons, but I'd like to think (at least I don't remember) that they did their damage with their fists and not with cheep shots and blind side hits.
I really don't like the Canadiens. . . at all really, but I just don't get how you fix the head shot thing. I dunno. Maybe I am complaining too much and guys are getting soft. I saw the video you posted in the Flyers thread about Don Cherry's favorite hits of 87 or something like that and he was cheering on hits that would merit a huge suspension in today's NHL.
I'm with everyone else on the police investigation thing. Unless Chara comes out and says I did it on purpose, which would never happen, I don't see what the police are going to do.
There is rough and tumble hockey, which I love, and then there is just shit that doesn't belong in the game. This hit is the latter. I don't think anyone goes out there trying to break a guy's neck or end his career (well, maybe Matt Cooke, but that's another conversation entirely). But Chara and Pacioretty had some beef before this game.
I think Chara is a talented defenseman, and I rooted for him to win the Norris the other year, because I still don't think Mike Green is very good at actually playing defense. That being said, this was pretty disgusting. I watched an RDS replay of the hit on youtube before I even heard about the injuries, and my stomach turned. I think Pacioretty is lucky to not be paralyzed or worse.
I consider myself a pretty neutral party, seeing as I support a Western Conference team. I honestly don't think this is just a hockey play gone wrong. Chara is what? A 13 year veteran of the NHL? He plays in Montreal 3 times a year minimum. He knew where that glass partition was, and I think he could have easily laid a hit a second early when Pacioretty had the puck. If he had done that, it wouldn't be interference, and Pacioretty would have probably landed in the laps of the Bruins on the bench. We would have all laughed at the replay after. This hit was dangerous and unnecessary, and intent aside, I think that Chara, as the hitter, needs to be accountable for his actions.
"As the puck went by, obviously I was riding him out and it was very unfortunate that at the same time when I pushed him a little bit, he kind of leaned and jumped a little bit and just hit the glass extension." - Chara
Did he try to blame Max for this? Come on man. Grow up and give Pacioretty a proper apology.
That all being said, I don't think a criminal investigation will go anywhere. Though I can't blame people in Montreal for wanting to take some sort of action. The NHL doesn't properly discipline it's players. And I don't think Montreal has any players that could ring Chara's bell in a future game. Maybe it's time to bring back Georges Laraque.
There is rough and tumble hockey, which I love, and then there is just shit that doesn't belong in the game. This hit is the latter. I don't think anyone goes out there trying to break a guy's neck or end his career (well, maybe Matt Cooke, but that's another conversation entirely). But Chara and Pacioretty had some beef before this game.
I think Chara is a talented defenseman, and I rooted for him to win the Norris the other year, because I still don't think Mike Green is very good at actually playing defense. That being said, this was pretty disgusting. I watched an RDS replay of the hit on youtube before I even heard about the injuries, and my stomach turned. I think Pacioretty is lucky to not be paralyzed or worse.
I consider myself a pretty neutral party, seeing as I support a Western Conference team. I honestly don't think this is just a hockey play gone wrong. Chara is what? A 13 year veteran of the NHL? He plays in Montreal 3 times a year minimum. He knew where that glass partition was, and I think he could have easily laid a hit a second early when Pacioretty had the puck. If he had done that, it wouldn't be interference, and Pacioretty would have probably landed in the laps of the Bruins on the bench. We would have all laughed at the replay after. This hit was dangerous and unnecessary, and intent aside, I think that Chara, as the hitter, needs to be accountable for his actions.
"As the puck went by, obviously I was riding him out and it was very unfortunate that at the same time when I pushed him a little bit, he kind of leaned and jumped a little bit and just hit the glass extension." - Chara
Did he try to blame Max for this? Come on man. Grow up and give Pacioretty a proper apology.
so what should chara had done? let him skate by him.
There is rough and tumble hockey, which I love, and then there is just shit that doesn't belong in the game. This hit is the latter. I don't think anyone goes out there trying to break a guy's neck or end his career (well, maybe Matt Cooke, but that's another conversation entirely). But Chara and Pacioretty had some beef before this game.
I think Chara is a talented defenseman, and I rooted for him to win the Norris the other year, because I still don't think Mike Green is very good at actually playing defense. That being said, this was pretty disgusting. I watched an RDS replay of the hit on youtube before I even heard about the injuries, and my stomach turned. I think Pacioretty is lucky to not be paralyzed or worse.
I consider myself a pretty neutral party, seeing as I support a Western Conference team. I honestly don't think this is just a hockey play gone wrong. Chara is what? A 13 year veteran of the NHL? He plays in Montreal 3 times a year minimum. He knew where that glass partition was, and I think he could have easily laid a hit a second early when Pacioretty had the puck. If he had done that, it wouldn't be interference, and Pacioretty would have probably landed in the laps of the Bruins on the bench. We would have all laughed at the replay after. This hit was dangerous and unnecessary, and intent aside, I think that Chara, as the hitter, needs to be accountable for his actions.
"As the puck went by, obviously I was riding him out and it was very unfortunate that at the same time when I pushed him a little bit, he kind of leaned and jumped a little bit and just hit the glass extension." - Chara
Did he try to blame Max for this? Come on man. Grow up and give Pacioretty a proper apology.
so what should chara had done? let him skate by him.
give me a break.
He had him pushed up against the boards, and the puck was up the ice already. Chara won the Norris. He knows how to play defense without pushing someone face first into the glass partition. Give me a break.
well that's just it. i am a bruins fan. through and through. there was no intention. it's a faced paced game they were flying up the ice. i agree you have to know where you are and maybe chara should've been a little more aware but you can't justify it as an intentional or dirty hit. let alone, open a criminal investigation.
Chara knew exactly where he was on the ice, every ice hockey player does, professional or not. That stuff about a face paced game is utter nonsense. I played competitive hockey for 16 years and i'm sure that anyone else on this board who plays hockey knows where they are on the ice at every second. I don't think it was Chara's intention to injure him so badly but he did intentionally ram his head into the turnbuckle.
well that's just it. i am a bruins fan. through and through. there was no intention. it's a faced paced game they were flying up the ice. i agree you have to know where you are and maybe chara should've been a little more aware but you can't justify it as an intentional or dirty hit. let alone, open a criminal investigation.
Chara knew exactly where he was on the ice, every ice hockey player does, professional or not. That stuff about a face paced game is utter nonsense. I played competitive hockey for 16 years and i'm sure that anyone else on this board who plays hockey knows where they are on the ice at every second. I don't think it was Chara's intention to injure him so badly but he did intentionally ram his head into the turnbuckle.
I have not read this thread and I don't really plan on going though the whole thing but in my opinion criminal investigations should only be used if a player uses his stick or something like that as a weapon to hurt someone. Cheap shots happen, using equipment as a weapon is another story.
Air Canada is threatening to pull their sponsorship if the NHL doesn't do anything. How about that for some pressure? How do you deal with that? I mean, it's not like the NHL has huge sponsors like that walking through the door, yet you can't just bend over for your sponsors.
so what should chara had done? let him skate by him.
give me a break.
He had him pushed up against the boards, and the puck was up the ice already. Chara won the Norris. He knows how to play defense without pushing someone face first into the glass partition. Give me a break.
so because he had him against hte boards means he can automatically just stop on a dime? the dude probably weighs 260 pounds. when he is moving full speed it's gonna take him some time to stop his momentum.
if anything the NHL is at fault for putting a fucking pole in the middle of the rink. that is the equivalent of the NFL moving the goal posts back into the field of play.
I hate the snap judgements that society makes today every time there is an injury. It's sports, people are going to get hur. It wasn't a deliberate action. period
society has become way too pussified
also, I don't see what the norris trophy has to do with this. chelios and pronger have both won the award and they have injured plenty of guys in their respective careers. bringing that award up is almost as bad as crying about the hit.
It's a tough game played by men, sometimes people get hurt. Perhaps everyone who has a problem with the play should watch ringette instead. Do you people actually believe that as Chara was rubbing him out of the play he was thinking "hmmmm, I see the glass stanchion a few feet ahead I think I'm going to push his face into it and hopefully break his neck and paralyze him or maybe I'll get real lucky and kill him" If that is the case then whatever you fools are smoking I'll take a pound of it please.
Do you think we should start charging football players for tackling people? Maybe boxers for punching someone? Smarten up people!!
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It's a tough game played by men, sometimes people get hurt. Perhaps everyone who has a problem with the play should watch ringette instead. Do you people actually believe that as Chara was rubbing him out of the play he was thinking "hmmmm, I see the glass stanchion a few feet ahead I think I'm going to push his face into it and hopefully break his neck and paralyze him or maybe I'll get real lucky and kill him" If that is the case then whatever you fools are smoking I'll take a pound of it please.
Do you think we should start charging football players for tackling people? Maybe boxers for punching someone? Smarten up people!!
Why do you think it almost never happens? Because all the players know it's there and you generally let up on a guy when it comes into play, just like when a door to the bench is open to let players off.
I personally think that if they made an automatic disciplinary scale for hits involving the head, they would almost stop entirely (outside an accident here or there). That crap is not part of the game.
If you high stick someone, you get 2 minutes. If you high stick them and draw blood, it's 4. It doesn't matter if it was accidental or not. It doesn't matter if you are Steve Ott or Nick Lidstrom. If your stick comes up and cuts a player's lip, you are held responsible.
The league, fans, and players are playing psychological detectives. Trying to get inside the hitters head during the hit, looking at their past, etc. Slowing the hits down frame by frame. It's ridiculous.
Make it 5 and a game for any head shot, intent aside. If the hit results in injury, it's an automatic suspension. If you do it more than once, the suspension increases exponentially. Some people might think this would soften up the league, but it's already soft. The instigator penalty and the salary cap made enforcers disposable commodities. I love big body checks. You can make a big body check without taking off someone's head. You can be physical without decapitating opposing players. This is beyond hockey. These are real people whose brains are being rotted because of unnecessary bullshit.
It's a tough game played by men, sometimes people get hurt. Perhaps everyone who has a problem with the play should watch ringette instead. Do you people actually believe that as Chara was rubbing him out of the play he was thinking "hmmmm, I see the glass stanchion a few feet ahead I think I'm going to push his face into it and hopefully break his neck and paralyze him or maybe I'll get real lucky and kill him" If that is the case then whatever you fools are smoking I'll take a pound of it please.
Do you think we should start charging football players for tackling people? Maybe boxers for punching someone? Smarten up people!!
Why do you think it almost never happens? Because all the players know it's there and you generally let up on a guy when it comes into play, just like when a door to the bench is open to let players off.
I agree again. In all my years of watching hockey at the NHL, college, and other levels. I've never seen a guy get hit face first into the the stanchion. It's an unwritten honor code that you just don't do that.
I personally think that if they made an automatic disciplinary scale for hits involving the head, they would almost stop entirely (outside an accident here or there). That crap is not part of the game.
If you high stick someone, you get 2 minutes. If you high stick them and draw blood, it's 4. It doesn't matter if it was accidental or not. It doesn't matter if you are Steve Ott or Nick Lidstrom. If your stick comes up and cuts a player's lip, you are held responsible.
The league, fans, and players are playing psychological detectives. Trying to get inside the hitters head during the hit, looking at their past, etc. Slowing the hits down frame by frame. It's ridiculous.
Make it 5 and a game for any head shot, intent aside. If the hit results in injury, it's an automatic suspension. If you do it more than once, the suspension increases exponentially. Some people might think this would soften up the league, but it's already soft. The instigator penalty and the salary cap made enforcers disposable commodities. I love big body checks. You can make a big body check without taking off someone's head. You can be physical without decapitating opposing players. This is beyond hockey. These are real people whose brains are being rotted because of unnecessary bullshit.
I don't know, I don't think it is as cut and dry as that. chara is what, 6'9". there are guys in the NHL over a foot shorter than him. He shouldnt be out there headhunting, but chances are that he's going to make contact with people's heads once in a while just because he's so damn big.
personally I think 4 minute blood rule is one of the worst in sports (along with getting a point for a loss, but that's another story). It should be about intent or carelessness, not based on a cut.
I think society overreacts to result, when intent should be what's scrutinized and penalized as necessary. I don't think it's fair to penalize a player like chara because he hits a smaller player the same way he hits a bigger player. what is he supposed to do, say to himself, 'oh wait this is martin st louis, I can't hit him too hard because I might kill him'?
anyway, doesn't seem like everyone is going to agree about this stuff. the more these rules in sports change, the worse these league products become (see NHL and NFL). THis is one of a milion reasons why baseball is the best sport on the planet...that sport has been basically the same for over a century.
so what should chara had done? let him skate by him.
give me a break.
He had him pushed up against the boards, and the puck was up the ice already. Chara won the Norris. He knows how to play defense without pushing someone face first into the glass partition. Give me a break.
so because he had him against hte boards means he can automatically just stop on a dime? the dude probably weighs 260 pounds. when he is moving full speed it's gonna take him some time to stop his momentum.
if anything the NHL is at fault for putting a fucking pole in the middle of the rink. that is the equivalent of the NFL moving the goal posts back into the field of play.
I hate the snap judgements that society makes today every time there is an injury. It's sports, people are going to get hur. It wasn't a deliberate action. period
society has become way too pussified
also, I don't see what the norris trophy has to do with this. chelios and pronger have both won the award and they have injured plenty of guys in their respective careers. bringing that award up is almost as bad as crying about the hit.
I had a response all written up, but my stupid computer malfunctioned and I lost it, ugh.
Anyway, I did not make a snap judgment on this injury. I watched the French language replay on youtube before I even knew what Pacioretty's injuries were and formed my own opinion. I am also not trying to make a blanket statement on all injuries in hockey or sports. But there is a difference between regular physicality and reckless and unnecessary plays that threaten a person's life. Players understand the risks of stepping onto a hockey rink, but why should they have to fear for their lives?
I brought up the Norris, because Chara won that due to his positional play. You can play great defense with your stick and body without pushing your opponent face first into the glass partition. There is also a difference between regular hockey injuries and hitting a player in such a way that he could have been paralyzed or killed. I don't fault Chara for being big, but this play had little to do with that. It wasn't a body check. He pushed Pacioretty with both arms. That was just plain excessive.
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Recognize this? I wouldn't expect you to. It's the Lady Byng. A Flyer has never won it.
Yeah...it was a nasty hit but he was moving and is coherent moments after the hit
Its horrible what heppened to him
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A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
Thankfully
Maybe Rob Ray won one when he was not hooking his shoulder pads on so when he fought his jersey and pads came right off so the guy he was fighting couldn't hold on to anything...classy
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The reason we needed guys like Ray and Playfair was because of teams like the Flyers.
The NHL was different back then, and that's the reason you didn't see anyone jump Chara after the hit, mostly because Brian Gianta is 5'2 1/2.
Claude Lemioux and Darcy Tucker got what was coming to them when they played dirty. Enforcers are a dying breed and the NHL won't take any action.
You tell me what the real crime was. Rob Ray wearing an XXL jersey when his size was an XL or Claude Lemioux putting Kris Draper face first into the boards?
The hit was interference for sure cuz chara got burned on the play.
It's unfortunate what happened but the is only 1 truth:
Only chara knows if he did it on purpose or not. He is the only one that can say yes I did or no I didn't.
The criminal investigation is crap.
The NHL made their decision & it won't change.
The league is fucking daft for not suspending Chara for a few games ... yes, I'm a Bruins fan and I'm saying that. Almost feel it's being done to get their league talked about. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
This all said, criminal charges? C'mon, ridiculous.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Everyone knows he did it but it doesn't make it right..there is a code of honor with fighters in the NHL. Obviously Ray did not heed that code. Illegal hits that you described have no place in the game.
The Flyers were not always a team that fought when they came into the league. You can thank the St.Louis Blues for the Flyers becoming the Bullies. I know you HATE the Flyers but check out the great documentary HBO did on the Broad Street Bullies if you haven't seen it. I'm not justifying the Flyers behavior but you're kidding yourself if you think the Flyers are the sole reason for the fights and dirty hits. The fights and dirty play was around long before the Flyers.
You forgot the biggest 2 pieces of shit to ever play in the NHL IMO..Dale Hunter and Ulf Samuelsson
The instigator rule is what needs to change
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No Bruins fan will ever disagree with this statement.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I do hate the flyers, but I'd gladly watch anything that's related to hockey.
It's obvious you know your stuff and I don't get to argue like this about hockey very much. I hope that by the time one of us stops posting on this thread you know that it's nothing against you, or Drop The Leash 10 either. You guys obviously love your hockey and I haven't had this much fun bitching about sports in a long time. I'm going to be sour about the Pacioretty hit because of what Hjalmarsson already did to Pominville this year, and no matter how much I bitch about it, I get that people are going to disagree. I just like when someone can actually make an argument, which you have.
And if I see you at the PJ20 fest, I'd happily buy you a beer and talk more hockey, so long as you drink Labatt :twisted: .
I'd love to have the chance to tell you what I think of Garth Snow in person sometime.
Cam Neeley's career
Don't get me wrong hated that Bruins team
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I love hockey so I can into a good discussion anytime
It's all good
I kinda remember an incident with him and Barnaby
Barnaby is definitely one of those guys you hate unless he's on your team....of all guys to grab Barnaby after that incident with Snow..BRIND'AMOUR ! :roll:
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Just to point out the obvious. . . it was Antoski that started that whole brawl.
chara is an enormous man...when he hits someone going full speed, there's a chance someone might get hurt
also, comparing this incident to bertuzzi/moore is ridiculous.
if there is a police investigation that is sad and pathetic
Aaaaah I remember him...Sean Antoski
He thought he would adore himself to the Flyers Faithful by wearing number 8...Schultz old number
One problem..."Meat" was his nickname on the Flyers didnt win too many fights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOD-kyvL_J8
Gotta love Barnaby laying there and then he's healed !
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Yeah, he pretty much earned the name Matt the Rat. I get we had goons, but I'd like to think (at least I don't remember) that they did their damage with their fists and not with cheep shots and blind side hits.
I really don't like the Canadiens. . . at all really, but I just don't get how you fix the head shot thing. I dunno. Maybe I am complaining too much and guys are getting soft. I saw the video you posted in the Flyers thread about Don Cherry's favorite hits of 87 or something like that and he was cheering on hits that would merit a huge suspension in today's NHL.
I'm with everyone else on the police investigation thing. Unless Chara comes out and says I did it on purpose, which would never happen, I don't see what the police are going to do.
I think Chara is a talented defenseman, and I rooted for him to win the Norris the other year, because I still don't think Mike Green is very good at actually playing defense. That being said, this was pretty disgusting. I watched an RDS replay of the hit on youtube before I even heard about the injuries, and my stomach turned. I think Pacioretty is lucky to not be paralyzed or worse.
I consider myself a pretty neutral party, seeing as I support a Western Conference team. I honestly don't think this is just a hockey play gone wrong. Chara is what? A 13 year veteran of the NHL? He plays in Montreal 3 times a year minimum. He knew where that glass partition was, and I think he could have easily laid a hit a second early when Pacioretty had the puck. If he had done that, it wouldn't be interference, and Pacioretty would have probably landed in the laps of the Bruins on the bench. We would have all laughed at the replay after. This hit was dangerous and unnecessary, and intent aside, I think that Chara, as the hitter, needs to be accountable for his actions.
"As the puck went by, obviously I was riding him out and it was very unfortunate that at the same time when I pushed him a little bit, he kind of leaned and jumped a little bit and just hit the glass extension." - Chara
Did he try to blame Max for this? Come on man. Grow up and give Pacioretty a proper apology.
so what should chara had done? let him skate by him.
give me a break.
He had him pushed up against the boards, and the puck was up the ice already. Chara won the Norris. He knows how to play defense without pushing someone face first into the glass partition. Give me a break.
Chara knew exactly where he was on the ice, every ice hockey player does, professional or not. That stuff about a face paced game is utter nonsense. I played competitive hockey for 16 years and i'm sure that anyone else on this board who plays hockey knows where they are on the ice at every second. I don't think it was Chara's intention to injure him so badly but he did intentionally ram his head into the turnbuckle.
+1
Every NHL player makes split second decisions.
Air Canada is threatening to pull their sponsorship if the NHL doesn't do anything. How about that for some pressure? How do you deal with that? I mean, it's not like the NHL has huge sponsors like that walking through the door, yet you can't just bend over for your sponsors.
so because he had him against hte boards means he can automatically just stop on a dime? the dude probably weighs 260 pounds. when he is moving full speed it's gonna take him some time to stop his momentum.
if anything the NHL is at fault for putting a fucking pole in the middle of the rink. that is the equivalent of the NFL moving the goal posts back into the field of play.
I hate the snap judgements that society makes today every time there is an injury. It's sports, people are going to get hur. It wasn't a deliberate action. period
society has become way too pussified
also, I don't see what the norris trophy has to do with this. chelios and pronger have both won the award and they have injured plenty of guys in their respective careers. bringing that award up is almost as bad as crying about the hit.
Do you think we should start charging football players for tackling people? Maybe boxers for punching someone? Smarten up people!!
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Why do you think it almost never happens? Because all the players know it's there and you generally let up on a guy when it comes into play, just like when a door to the bench is open to let players off.
If you high stick someone, you get 2 minutes. If you high stick them and draw blood, it's 4. It doesn't matter if it was accidental or not. It doesn't matter if you are Steve Ott or Nick Lidstrom. If your stick comes up and cuts a player's lip, you are held responsible.
The league, fans, and players are playing psychological detectives. Trying to get inside the hitters head during the hit, looking at their past, etc. Slowing the hits down frame by frame. It's ridiculous.
Make it 5 and a game for any head shot, intent aside. If the hit results in injury, it's an automatic suspension. If you do it more than once, the suspension increases exponentially. Some people might think this would soften up the league, but it's already soft. The instigator penalty and the salary cap made enforcers disposable commodities. I love big body checks. You can make a big body check without taking off someone's head. You can be physical without decapitating opposing players. This is beyond hockey. These are real people whose brains are being rotted because of unnecessary bullshit.
I agree again. In all my years of watching hockey at the NHL, college, and other levels. I've never seen a guy get hit face first into the the stanchion. It's an unwritten honor code that you just don't do that.
I don't know, I don't think it is as cut and dry as that. chara is what, 6'9". there are guys in the NHL over a foot shorter than him. He shouldnt be out there headhunting, but chances are that he's going to make contact with people's heads once in a while just because he's so damn big.
personally I think 4 minute blood rule is one of the worst in sports (along with getting a point for a loss, but that's another story). It should be about intent or carelessness, not based on a cut.
I think society overreacts to result, when intent should be what's scrutinized and penalized as necessary. I don't think it's fair to penalize a player like chara because he hits a smaller player the same way he hits a bigger player. what is he supposed to do, say to himself, 'oh wait this is martin st louis, I can't hit him too hard because I might kill him'?
anyway, doesn't seem like everyone is going to agree about this stuff. the more these rules in sports change, the worse these league products become (see NHL and NFL). THis is one of a milion reasons why baseball is the best sport on the planet...that sport has been basically the same for over a century.
I had a response all written up, but my stupid computer malfunctioned and I lost it, ugh.
Anyway, I did not make a snap judgment on this injury. I watched the French language replay on youtube before I even knew what Pacioretty's injuries were and formed my own opinion. I am also not trying to make a blanket statement on all injuries in hockey or sports. But there is a difference between regular physicality and reckless and unnecessary plays that threaten a person's life. Players understand the risks of stepping onto a hockey rink, but why should they have to fear for their lives?
I brought up the Norris, because Chara won that due to his positional play. You can play great defense with your stick and body without pushing your opponent face first into the glass partition. There is also a difference between regular hockey injuries and hitting a player in such a way that he could have been paralyzed or killed. I don't fault Chara for being big, but this play had little to do with that. It wasn't a body check. He pushed Pacioretty with both arms. That was just plain excessive.